"Children cannot consent to puberty blockers" and being in the wrong body

[excreationist]

This is about a guy called "Billboard Chris"

Billboard Chris

I’m a dad — a human male who protects his kids from gender ideology. Traveling the world to stop child transition, one conversation at a time.

www.youtube.com

He goes around the world wearing a billboard that says "Children cannot consent to puberty blockers" on the front. He has "conversations" with people - sometimes near universities (but slightly off campus so the security don't have a problem).

Apparently the drugs and surgery (like mastectomies) are done before the typical age of consent so they can transition better by not going through the puberty of their biological sex.

Here is Chris's speech to the UN:


Sometimes he recommends this website:

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He sometimes asks the people he talks to (or argues with) this:
"How can a child be born in the wrong body"?

Some answer that there could be a girl with a male brain or vice versa. Chris says that a masculine girl is still a girl, etc - he says the idea of a male or female brain is sexist and involves stereotypes (when people are saying they have to transition because of their brain)

He also says many people who transition early regret it and many are just gay rather than having the wrong body. He says it can result in sterilization.

Here Chris is talking about the most used resource in the world for defining gender identity - the gender bread person: (then they build a human wall around him)


Like Chris says, it says gender identity can involve personality traits, likes, dislikes, and even jobs and hobbies

https://www.movingtraditions.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/genderbread-person-appendix-E.pdf

I think this is related to politics because it is partly about laws.

Perhaps lots of people here would think transitioning early is a good thing.

The main focus is about what is being done to children.

 

[Axulus]

You say you are an excreationist. Presumably you accept the theory of evolution but did not for a period of time. Why?

Like the theory of evolution, you have to first start with understanding the scientific and biological facts on the topic. In this case the scientific facts regarding biology, sex and gender identity. Your introductory post gives me suspicion you are ignorant of these facts since you did not bother to bring them up and also misrepresent some of them. Please watch this video to gain that basic level of scientific understanding if you wish to have a productive conversation. It is a starting point we need to agree upon before we can go beyond that. It also provides a framework to avoid the meaningless semantic word games that idealogues in this space employ. If you disagree with any facts in this video, please point it out with proper citation.

 

[excreationist]

You say you are an excreationist. Presumably you accept the theory of evolution but did not for a period of time. Why?

See option 1 in this webpage I created

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Is the Bible 100% true and moral? Does the supernatural exist?

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Like the theory of evolution, you have to first start with understanding the scientific and biological facts on the topic. In this case the scientific facts regarding biology, sex and gender identity. Your introductory post gives me suspicion you are ignorant of these facts since you did not bother to bring them up and also misrepresent some of them. Please watch this video to gain that basic level of scientific understanding if you wish to have a productive conversation. It is a starting point we need to agree upon before we can go beyond that. If you disagree with any facts in this video, please point it out with proper citation.

Hi I don’t want to watch that 54 minute video. I’d like you to quote things I wrote and specifically respond to them.

Let’s pretend you were talking to Chris. What if he asked you about what it means to be in the wrong body?

Note he has said he has read all of the scientific literature including those mentioned on this site:

Studies

SEGM has been compiling a compendium of literature to highlight our position of concern over the proliferation of hormonal and surgical "gender-affirmative" interventions for gender dysphoric youth. This is NOT an all-inclusive list of all the studies in the field of pediatric gender medicine...

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[Axulus]

You say you are an excreationist. Presumably you accept the theory of evolution but did not for a period of time. Why?

See option 1 in this webpage I created

God and the Bible - Life's Player

Is the Bible 100% true and moral? Does the supernatural exist?

lifesplayer.com

Like the theory of evolution, you have to first start with understanding the scientific and biological facts on the topic. In this case the scientific facts regarding biology, sex and gender identity. Your introductory post gives me suspicion you are ignorant of these facts since you did not bother to bring them up and also misrepresent some of them. Please watch this video to gain that basic level of scientific understanding if you wish to have a productive conversation. It is a starting point we need to agree upon before we can go beyond that. If you disagree with any facts in this video, please point it out with proper citation.

Hi I don’t want to watch that 54 minute video. I’d like you to quote things I wrote and specifically respond to them.

Let’s pretend you were talking to Chris. What if he asked you about what it means to be in the wrong body?

Note he has said he has read all of the scientific literature including those mentioned on this site:

Studies

SEGM has been compiling a compendium of literature to highlight our position of concern over the proliferation of hormonal and surgical "gender-affirmative" interventions for gender dysphoric youth. This is NOT an all-inclusive list of all the studies in the field of pediatric gender medicine...

segm.org

A transgender person is a person whose gender identity does not match their assigned birth sex.

Gender identity is a person's deeply held sense of one's own gender which can range from male to female to gradations in between.

Gender is the range of social, psychological, cultural, and behavioral aspects of being a  man, woman, other gender identity.

Gender identity is biologically determined by one's brain, primarily features that are present at birth and childhood. There is a lot of scientific support for this. All the biological determinants not yet known, it is an ongoing area of scientific study.

Gender dysphoria is a condition when ones assigned birth sex does not match their gender identity in a deep and fundamental way, causing persistent psychological distress and impairment in social, occupational or other areas of functioning.

One can be transgender but not experience gender dysphoria (or can experience very mild forms of it).

Anything you disagree with so far? I can't answer your question as I don't know what you mean when you say "wrong body." Bodies are neither right nor wrong, they just are what they are. Ones body as it exists may be one source causing the condition of gender dysphoria is the best I can give you.

 

[excreationist]

Anything you disagree with so far? I can't answer your question as I don't know what you mean when you say "wrong body." Bodies are neither right nor wrong, they just are what they are.

Apparently being in the wrong body is the justification for transitioning children, sometimes against their parents will. i.e. it involves making their body match their “gender identity”.

 

[laughing dog]

Anything you disagree with so far? I can't answer your question as I don't know what you mean when you say "wrong body." Bodies are neither right nor wrong, they just are what they are.

Apparently being in the wrong body is the justification for transitioning children, sometimes against their parents will. i.e. it involves making their body match their “gender identity”.

You are aware that it what is in the child;s best interest may not always be what the parents want.

I think transitioning to another gender is a serious business that should be taken seriously by everyone involved - especially medical professionals.

 

[excreationist]

You are aware that it what is in the child;s best interest may not always be what the parents want.

I think transitioning to another gender is a serious business that should be taken seriously by everyone involved - especially medical professionals.

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So a 13 or even 12 year old girl getting mastectomies is in their best interest? Apparently some regret it and it isn’t possible for their breasts to produce milk again.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Anything you disagree with so far? I can't answer your question as I don't know what you mean when you say "wrong body." Bodies are neither right nor wrong, they just are what they are.

Apparently being in the wrong body is the justification for transitioning children, sometimes against their parents will. i.e. it involves making their body match their “gender identity”.

Jebus! You know, if you are going to talk about it, might be best to read up on it first.

Like Chris says, fuck Chris! Chris isn't a doctor, social worker, psychiatrist. He is a fucking political troll.

 

[Axulus]

Anything you disagree with so far? I can't answer your question as I don't know what you mean when you say "wrong body." Bodies are neither right nor wrong, they just are what they are.

Apparently being in the wrong body is the justification for transitioning children, sometimes against their parents will. i.e. it involves making their body match their “gender identity”.

Not fully accurate. Evidence based medical care to treat severe gender dysphoria is the justification. Every individual with such a condition is different and a qualified professional can recommend a treatment plan and it doesn't always involve what you would call transitioning. Less invasive treatments can work, but that won't always work effectively for every individual. In certain cases, additional medical intervention can have positive treatment outcomes.

If a parent refuses medical care for their child, that is a pretty shitty parent, but I believe they should have that right except in extreme cases where either the life of the child is in danger or severe permanent damage or disfigurement will result without such treatment.

Also, minors have the legal right to become emancipated minors at ages ranging from 14-16, so in my view their decision should override the parent's decision at that age.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

We know gender dysphoria exists. There are people like Chris that want to pretend it isn't real. Have some of those people here too.

The questions we need to ask is how best to help young people with gender dysphoria. It isn't quite clear how best to manage it. But ignoring that it is a real thing is the most wrong way to deal with it for the person's health.

Sadly excreationist is helping propagate the bullshit that makes suffering from gender dysphoria into a larger stigma.

 

[Axulus]

You are aware that it what is in the child;s best interest may not always be what the parents want.

I think transitioning to another gender is a serious business that should be taken seriously by everyone involved - especially medical professionals.

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So a 13 or even 12 year old girl getting mastectomies is in their best interest? Apparently some regret it and it isn’t possible for their breasts to produce milk again.

Mastectomies are given in cases of breast cancer. Do you object to it in those cases? If not, then in principle you shouldn't object to it here. The only thing that matters is the evidence of its ability to improve outcomes vs diminish outcomes. Cost/benefit analysis for specific cases.

If the evidence is weak or lacking then it shouldn't be given as a treatment option except perhaps as part of a scientific study with good foundation for the possible benefits, and all parties consenting of course. And if the evidence is there, I don't object to it as long as it is done carefully with the well being of the child justified for their particular case based on evidence, as I wouldn't object to it in cases of breast cancer.

Perhaps a child with breast cancer could survive without a mastectomy. Perhaps they regret getting one to treat their breast cancer. Perhaps they can't produce milk. Do you object?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

I can link YouTubers too.

 

[ZiprHead]

Anything you disagree with so far? I can't answer your question as I don't know what you mean when you say "wrong body." Bodies are neither right nor wrong, they just are what they are.

Apparently being in the wrong body is the justification for transitioning children, sometimes against their parents will. i.e. it involves making their body match their “gender identity”.

Example's please.

 

[Patooka]

Chris Elston aka "Billboard Chris" is a transphobic cunt of a human being. Fuck any of his views.

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/cops-forcibly-remove-canadian-from-brisbane/news-story/145b17904566f2eab232e0615a481666

Anti-trans activist tests Australian regulator’s power to remove X post it deemed cyber abuse

Counsel for ‘Billboard Chris’, AKA Chris Elston, says takedown notice from eSafety commissioner was regulatory overreach

www.theguardian.com

Chris Elston, aka “Billboard Chris” | GLAAD

—Protests against transgender health care and transgender people. Elston travels the United States, wearing a sandwich board with messages including, “Children cannot consent to puberty blockers.” Since June 1, 2022, Elston has been involves in 20 incidents including 15 protests and five cases...

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Seriously it bears repeating, fuck this guy to the moon and back.

EDIt: They've changed the headline on the first news article I posted. It was originally "‘Move’: Canadian troll gets Aussie response"

 

[Politesse]

You are aware that it what is in the child;s best interest may not always be what the parents want.

I think transitioning to another gender is a serious business that should be taken seriously by everyone involved - especially medical professionals.

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So a 13 or even 12 year old girl getting mastectomies is in their best interest? Apparently some regret it and it isn’t possible for their breasts to produce milk again.

"Some regret" a lot of medical decisions; nearly everyone who undergoes chemotherapy regrets it at some point. Should we ban chemotherapy for minors?

 

[zorq]

Anything you disagree with so far? I can't answer your question as I don't know what you mean when you say "wrong body." Bodies are neither right nor wrong, they just are what they are.

Apparently being in the wrong body is the justification for transitioning children, sometimes against their parents will. i.e. it involves making their body match their “gender identity”.

Why did you respond to this but completely fail to address it? What are you talking about when you use the words "wrong body?"

 

[excreationist]

My point is Chris seemed persuasive when he debated University students. I’ve now listened to most of the 54 minute professor Dave video. I guess this is an example of the Dunning–Kruger effect. Maybe I’ll change my mind about breast removal on 13 year olds eventually.

 

[excreationist]

Anything you disagree with so far? I can't answer your question as I don't know what you mean when you say "wrong body." Bodies are neither right nor wrong, they just are what they are.

Apparently being in the wrong body is the justification for transitioning children, sometimes against their parents will. i.e. it involves making their body match their “gender identity”.

Why did you respond to this but completely fail to address it? What are you talking about when you use the words "wrong body?"

Chris rejects the term “wrong body” and gets others to try and define it and they assume it is a useful term.

 

[excreationist]

"Some regret" a lot of medical decisions; nearly everyone who undergoes chemotherapy regrets it at some point. Should we ban chemotherapy for minors?

The main problem with tattoos is that people regret it. Are children capable of choosing a tattoo in an informed way? Also chemotherapy can affect their health. (Then there is the suicide transition argument)

 

[Axulus]

My point is Chris seemed persuasive when he debated University students. I’ve now listened to most of the 54 minute professor Dave video. I guess this is an example of the Dunning–Kruger effect. Maybe I’ll change my mind about breast removal on 13 year olds eventually.

You first need to consider if you agree with the idea that removing a breast of a 13 year old would be justified if the medical evidence demonstrates convincingly that the benefits outweigh the costs, such as in cases of treatment for breast cancer.

If you agree with that, then it only becomes a matter of how good the evidence is to justify it as a possible treatment option for the subset of cases of gender dysphoria a doctor would recommend it.

This isn't my area of expertise but I generally defer to the judgment of medical professionals in the field on matters like this unless there is a good reason to think otherwise. And if the issue is politicized then any debate on the evidence can become similar to an evolution vs creationism debate. Look for signs of similar tactics being used and never let yourself be fooled by someone that has a political agenda like that. Look only at the best quality medical science evidence you can find and listen to respected professionals in the field explain it.