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Very strange.
DLH says Jesus was just an perfect human being and not a sin of a god, and he believes when Jesus returns the world will feel his presence, and then says it does not matter if god exists or not.

If Jesus is not a god and a god does not exist how does Jesus return to Earth? A real mind bender aint it? One of those theological conundrums.

Very strange. Why does DLH believe what he does? Maybe he does not know why he says what he does.

He does say the bible is the words of god, subject to fallible interpretation. So why does DLH believe Yahweh exists?

Does DLH fear god as the bible says to?
 
Because evolution is interesting and you’re not. The bible is interesting as fantasy literature that has a lot in common with The Arabian Nights, Through the Looking Glass, surrealism and the works of Borges. It’s fascinating as the mythological literature it is.

I will stop posting here completely forever if you can ignore me, without putting me on ignore, for one month. 5/9/25
I don’t care whether you post here or not, and I never put anyone on ignore. Plus, I can mine your posts for satiric news articles.

Oh, c'mon, Keith, I'll throw in a princess Leia doll and a spiderman comic.
 
You didn’t ask a serious question.

I asked if anyone could provide an example of evolution contradicting the Bible.

You keep saying, “These examples don’t contradict Biblical kinds,” but never once do you address how they don’t.

They don't evolve into something else. They only change.

You’ve defined a kind as a group that can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Ring species violate that — and you ignored it.

Do they become something else? Show me.

You said kinds have natural limits — nylon-eating bacteria evolved a brand-new enzyme never seen before in their lineage.

Do they become something else?

You didn’t touch it. You were shown Tiktaalik, predicted by evolutionary theory, with traits from both fish and tetrapods — directly contradicting Genesis’s creation sequence.

Do they become something else?

The warbler ring species meets your exact criteria for crossing that boundary: a single population diverges gradually, and the two end populations — despite descending from the same source — can no longer interbreed.

Do they become something else? I believe I even asked you.

That’s not “variation.” That’s reproductive isolation — the very line you claimed defines kinds. If that doesn’t count as a contradiction, then your definition of “kind” is so elastic it can stretch over any evidence and pretend nothing happened.

Your word games don't work for me. I don't care what you call it or how you classify it. Does it become something else?

This isn’t a debate over interpretation anymore.

I've told you several times, there was no debate.

According to the source you linked, a “Biblical kind” is defined as a group where organisms can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, and the boundary is crossed when fertility between groups ceases. You admit variation can happen within kinds, but claim there’s a natural limit before it becomes “something else.”

Show me something that becomes something else. Stop wasting my time with your petty ego.

Just one thing. One word. One paragraph with no more than 3 lines of text.

NO BULLSHIT

You keep shouting, “Do they become something else?!” as if repeating the question will erase the fact that it’s already been answered — precisely, concisely, and on your terms.

You asked for one word.
Tiktaalik.

You asked for one paragraph.
It’s a transitional fossil with both fish and land-animal traits — gills, fins, and scales, but also a neck, lungs, and wrist bones. Found in 375-million-year-old rock, exactly where evolutionary theory predicted. Genesis says land animals were created separately from sea creatures. Tiktaalik shows land animals descended from them. That’s one thing becoming something else.

Now you’re stomping around pretending you haven’t seen it. Not because it wasn’t delivered, but because it shattered your entire premise — that there is no contradiction between evolution and the Bible. You didn’t refute the example. You didn’t even engage it. You just went back to yelling the question louder.

But shouting “DO THEY BECOME SOMETHING ELSE?!” after being handed a direct, textbook example is not a challenge. It’s a tantrum.

And here’s the truth:
You built a test you thought no one could pass.
You thought you’d expose ignorance, or ideology, or fear.

But what got exposed was the trap itself — and the desperation of the person who set it.

Tiktaalik is one thing becoming something else.
Speciation in ring species is one thing becoming something else.
Bacteria evolving new enzymes is one thing becoming something else.
Pseudogenes and viral DNA passed from ancestor to descendant are one thing becoming something else.

That’s not word games. That’s evolutionary biology. That’s reality.

You didn’t get silence.
You didn’t get confusion.
You got exactly what you asked for — and now the only thing left to yell is “NO BULLSHIT” because the evidence left you no ground to stand on.

So here it is, one last time:
Tiktaalik.
One word.
One fossil.
One fatal contradiction.

You lost your own game.
And now you’re just shouting at the scoreboard.

NHC
 
Very strange.
DLH says Jesus was just an perfect human being and not a sin of a god, and he believes when Jesus returns the world will feel his presence, and then says it does not matter if god exists or not.

Wow dude. I didn't say any of that. Jesus was a perfect human. A sin of a god? What the hell is that? I don't believe Jesus will return or that the world will feel his presence. It will be like Noah. Eating and drinking. A thief in the night. The effects which are the bane of the fundamentalist, militant atheist minority are sociopolitical and based upon the theoretical existence of a "God" whose existence isn't necessary to apostate Abrahamic quasi-theocratic paradigms. Another way of saying to them, God's existence isn't an issue. After all, they are atheists.

Has anyone offered to help you with your vision problem so you can read this shit? Up in the very top right-hand corner of your browser there are three dots. On Edge they go horizontal, on Chrome they go vertical. Click on those and about 4 lines down on Edge zoom +, up to 400% and the same on Chrome about 12 lines down.

Seriously, my mother had vision problems before she died. If you want someone to work with you to make it easier for you - me or anyone else here I would think would be happy to do that.

If Jesus is not a god and a god does not exist how does Jesus return to Earth? A real mind bender aint it? One of those theological conundrums.

Not really. They just make it up as they go or adopt it from somewhere else. Jesus was a god, he's dead now. Like Moses and the judges of Israel. Like the Sumerian king Dumuzid aka Nimrod, Tammuz.

Very strange. Why does DLH believe what he does? Maybe he does not know why he says what he does.

Or, and I know this may be a shock to you, but maybe I don't know why you say what he does.

He does say the bible is the words of god, subject to fallible interpretation. So why does DLH believe Yahweh exists?

Science.
 
Tiktaalik.

It’s a transitional fossil with both fish and land-animal traits — gills, fins, and scales, but also a neck, lungs, and wrist bones. Found in 375-million-year-old rock, exactly where evolutionary theory predicted. Genesis says land animals were created separately from sea creatures. Tiktaalik shows land animals descended from them. That’s one thing becoming something else.

A fossil?! A fossil isn't a kind. Show me a Tiktaalik. What did it become? Show me the verse in Genesis.
 
Very strange, DLH resorting to attaching someones disability. DLH must be getting frustrated.


DLH appears to have a memory problem. there are meds for that. Maybe DLH just nakes things up as he goes along and just never remebers it. Or like Trump just denies it.

Very strange.


I still don’t know what DLH believes. He argues for the authenticity of the bible, but then acts like a non believer?


Very strange indeed.…

I think I am going to write a book based on a real life character. I will call it The Strange Case of DLH and Mr Hyde.

DLH should know I am impervious to religious rhetoric and personal attack.

Yea though I walk trough the Valley Of The Shadow Of Creationists I will fear no god or wacky theist.
 
A take on an old joke.

A man dies and is met by Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates. Peter takes him on a tour of Heaven.

As they walk along he points out the Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Methodists and others.

They came to a wall and the man asks what its for. Peter tells him to keep his voice down. When asked why Peter says

'DLH is on the other side of the wall, he thinks nobody else is up here'.
 
Very strange, DLH resorting to attaching someones disability.

DLH is not, DLH is offering assistance.

DLH must be getting frustrated.

DLH is always frustrated.

DLH appears to have a memory problem.

DLH most definitely does.

there are meds for that.

The meds caused that.

Maybe DLH just nakes things up as he goes along and just never remebers it.

Maybe DLH doesn't. Maybe steve_bank is projecting again.

Or like Trump just denies it.

Or like Bidden just is retarded. Always was, always will be.

Very strange.

Is it really, though.

I still don’t know what DLH believes.

DLH still doesn't care what steve_bank believes.

He argues for the authenticity of the bible, but then acts like a non believer?

It's like anything else.

Very strange indeed.…

I think I am going to write a book based on a real life character. I will call it The Strange Case of DLH and Mr Hyde.

DLH should know I am impervious to religious rhetoric and personal attack.

Yea though I walk trough the Valley Of The Shadow Of Creationists I will fear no god or wacky theist.

If you need help ask. DLH would.
 
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A take on an old joke.

A man dies and is met by Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates. Peter takes him on a tour of Heaven.

As they walk along he points out the Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Methodists and others.

They came to a wall and the man asks what its for. Peter tells him to keep his voice down. When asked why Peter says

'DLH is on the other side of the wall, he thinks nobody else is up here'.

I've told it myself. But it doesn't work in either the old case or your take because neither believe there would be anybody up there anyway.
 

I often have to decide if a person attacking me is more of a hypocrite, an idiot, or both. More often than not it turns out to be both.

Just imagine what that does to my ego. I have to constantly remind myself not to be intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, socially, politically or logically influenced. By hypocritical idiots. Ultimately that means that, no. The entire world isn't hypocritical idiots. This, with little evidence to the contrary.

Well aren't we full of ourselves?

Speaking of hypocritical, you attacked me directly and have launched broadsides against anyone who dares question your view that the Bible is truth and evolution is false. You're the one who waltzed into this forum thinking you're the smartest guy in the room, and that you were going to "school" us pesky non-believers. You throw out insults when someone simply answers your demands, and refutes your proclamations. You're not here to question or learn, you're here to haughtily presume to hand out divine wisdom, and when one of us says "sorry, preaching doesn't work here" you start calling us idiots.

You must be fun at parties.
(that's sarcasm, in case you missed it)
 
A fossil?! A fossil isn't a kind. Show me a Tiktaalik. What did it become? Show me the verse in Genesis.

“A fossil?! A fossil isn’t a kind.”
No one said it was. Tiktaalik is a species — a real animal that lived, died, and left fossilized remains. What matters is what its anatomy tells us: it had scales and fins like a fish, but also lungs, a neck, and wrist bones — features of four-limbed land animals. That’s not just a fish. That’s a transitional species between “kinds.”

You said:
“Show me a Tiktaalik.”
It was discovered in 2004, named, documented, and published in peer-reviewed journals. You can look at its bones, structure, and measurements. It’s not a theory. It’s a fossil we have. You asked for something literal. You got it.

You said:
“What did it become?”
Tiktaalik is part of the lineage that led to all land vertebrates: amphibians, reptiles, mammals, birds — including humans. Not by turning into them instantly, but as one step in a continuous chain. That’s exactly what evolution predicts and exactly what Genesis denies.

You said:
“Show me the verse.”
Genesis 1:20–25:
Sea creatures were created on Day 5.
Land animals on Day 6.
Separate acts. No transitions. No connection. Each “after its kind.”
Tiktaalik shows they are biologically connected — land animals came from fish. That’s a direct contradiction in both order and mechanism.

So here it is, one last time:
You asked for a contradiction.
I gave you Tiktaalik.
You asked what it became. I told you.
You asked for the verse. I showed you.
You asked for “no bullshit.” I gave you cold, fossilized fact.

The only thing left now is your silence — or your surrender.
Because the evidence showed up.
And your argument didn’t survive it.

NHC
 
Yes DLH, it is obvious you are frustrated.

People come to religion to alienate frustration.

Christianity is a comfort for people I know and knew with serious mescal problems. Cancer. A woman in my building is wheel chair bound and has severe chronic pain. Fibromyalgia. I have seen her in her chair in the hall doubled over in pain unable to move. Pain meds do not help.



When I was in assisted living rehabbing from heart failure a friend I took meals with had had a stroke and I sometimes cut his food for him. He'd get the shakes sometimes.

He and his extended family went to Mount Zion Baptist in Seattle. The crotch provides breakfast to all comers. When I walked around Seattle with him we'd meet topple on street he helped, drug and alcohol addiction.

All of them found comfort in religion.

That is why I ask you how does the bible you promote as the word of a god guide you in daily life and how you relate to people.

I come here to debate religion, but outside I never try and dissuade someone from religion.

Religion is about quality of life, as is any secular philosophy or spiritual tradition.

Details like creationism and reincarnation ere secondary irrelevant issues.

Religion has its excesses, as does most human social organizations.
 
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Religion is about quality of life, as is any secular philosophy or spiritual tradition.

Details like creationism and reincarnation ere secondary irrelevant issues.

Religion has its excesses, as does most human social organizations.

It will no doubt fall on DLH's deaf ears, but it is worth noting that some of the people behind the greatest scientific advances in the last couple centuries were believers to varying degrees. Darwin was a divinity student headed towards a life in the priesthood before his famous trip on the Beagle, and he could probably run rings around most of the evolution deniers in a "how well do you know the Bible?" contest. The man who came up with what would become known as the Big Bang Theory - Georges Lemaitre - was a Jesuit priest. Albert Einstein said "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." The list of scientists who were "trying to understand the mind of God" is pretty long.

But our plucky interloper here seems to think he's smarter than all of them put together!
 
JW‘s don’t go to parties. Their imaginary Bronze-age war god frowns on celebrations. :rolleyes:

You made a claim: that JW‘s don’t go to parties. Their imaginary Bronze-age war god frowns on celebrations. Support your claim or admit you made it up.
 
Like King Lear Raging at Storm, Internet Rando Yells at Scoreboard After Losing Game


IIDB (Internet News Service) — Like King Lear raging at the storm or an old man yelling “Get off my lawn!” at some kids, area internet rando DLH yelled at the scoreboard yesterday after getting his ass whipped in an evolutionary game he started but could not finish.

“GAME RIGGED! FAKE SCORE! SUBHUMAN MONSTERS!” the petulant rando bloviated, as he jumped up and down on a playing field strewn with transitional fossil forms. “PAY ATTENTION TO ME! I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT DLH! LET’S SIT AROUND AND BURN SOME BIBLES, HUH?”

The incontrovertible results on the scoreboard attested to the grim carnage of the lopsided contest:

Ring species in reproductive isolation.

Evolution of brand-new functions — not variation, but innovation — in nylonase-producing bacteria.

Tiktaalik, a fossil predicted by evolutionary theory, with fish and tetrapod traits, contradicting Genesis’s order of creation.

The two conflicting creation accounts in Genesis itself.

Complete fossil record of the transition of a land-dwelling mammal species to whales in about 13 million years.

Genetic evidence of shared viral insertions and broken genes in humans and chimps.

Geneticist Adam Rutherford’s analysis of recent human evolution.

Inning after painful inning, the rando’s crimped, cramped, dismal little fantasy world of an ancient vengeful war god creating everything according to their “kind” in one fell swoop and those kinds never changing except for minor internal variation was systematically annihilated in a rout of historic proportions.

Yet, long after the teams had left the field, the crowd had dispersed and the lights were dimmed, the rando continued to jump up and down in a field strewn with transitional fossil forms, waving a little fist at the scoreboard and shouting futilely for someone, anyone, to please pay attention to him.

At press time the groundskeepers — experts in comparative anatomy, taphonomy and recrystallization, among other non-biblical disciplines — were sweeping up the fossils and telling the rando: “Careful there, little guy, you’re jumping up and down on some magnificent links of speciation and common descent.”
 
Well aren't we full of ourselves?

Some of us are, but then again, what else would we be full of? Well, some of us are full of other things.

Speaking of hypocritical, you attacked me directly

You mean this post where you said " I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit" because I accidentally attributed a post to you? Directly? Unlike here, here and here, where you mocked me or my beliefs? Or here and here where you more or less called me a liar.

I'm not worried about what you think or say about anything I think or say. I assume it's mutual and you are just trying to impress your friends in the group.
 
Don't hold back DLH, give is the good old time fire and brimstone.

Lay it on us brother, are we damned atheist fornicating godless sinners?

Take us on the road to salvation, save our eternal souls from Satan!.

I know you feel it brother DLH, I feel it too, stand and deliver!


It sounds similar to the RCC in that JW has a top down structure. Policy and rules set down by a top level authority, the rest fall in line.

My guess is there is mojney and wealth at the top, like the RCC.

Cult like. New converts are set to promoting the Watchtower ideology. Weekly group meets on the bible.
 
Don't hold back DLH, give is the good old time fire and brimstone.

Lay it on us brother, are we damned atheist fornicating godless sinners?

Take us on the road to salvation, save our eternal souls from Satan!.

I know you feel it brother DLH, I feel it too, stand and deliver!


It sounds similar to the RCC in that JW has a top down structure. Policy and rules set down by a top level authority, the rest fall in line.

My guess is there is mojney and wealth at the top, like the RCC.

Cult like. New converts are set to promoting the Watchtower ideology. Weekly group meets on the bible.

That JW stuff on wikipedia is seriously fucked up. I feel bad for these people.
 
Aside from any link JW sounds like a cult.

Converts week after week read the bible and learn the Watchtower ideology. After a while that is all there is for them. As with DLH there is nothing outside of that.

DLH is unable to explain what the bible means to him. All he can do is quote phrases and ideology.
 
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