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Ohhhhh, DHL. Let's defend the Bible, but use some tact.
Case in point, when I taught Sunday School, I had these two kids, brother and sister, from a Yuppie family that read books. Anyway, these two monsters had double names, Debbi Jo and Cody Mason, and I really think they came to Sunday School just to work on my last nerve.
One Sunday we were busy crafting papier mache nephilim. Out of the blue Debbi Jo says, "How could these nephilim have babies with human women?"
I calmly said, "Remember, Debbi Jo, Genesis 6:4, the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Get it?"
She says, "No. One of the first rules of speciation is reproductive isolation. How could nephilim splooge get a woman pregnant?"
Her brother Cody Mason gets into it. "How could a woman have a giant baby anyhow? Wouldn't she blow a gasket in her cooter? Did you see what I did there?"
I took a deep breath, centered myself, and said, "It is obvious that the two of you are ideologically blinded. You are just as stupid as all people who blindly believe what they are told."
Debbi Jo says, "You believe what you're told, and you expect us to believe what you tell us. See what I did there?"
I said, "If you say 'See what I did there' one more time, I swear I'm going to wrap your stupid face in 15,000 layers of papier mache. Now the two of you go report to infant care. Maybe they can stand you."
And they left.
Some weeks later, around Christmas, Cody Mason says, "I have a question. How could some ghost get a woman pregnant, even in the hill country? Are you saying that ghosts have balls?"
I said, "This is a faith narrative, and I have studied it for 35 years, which is longer than you have lived. Also, define 'balls'. A simple request."
Debbi Jo goes, "Even if there was ghost splooge, it wouldn't work on a woman. Remember when I told you about reproductive isolation? That day that you lost it?"
Cody Mason says, "Even if a ghost had balls and splooge, if he's using it on some uneducated virgin girl, isn't that date rape? See what I did there?"
I clenched my fists -- hard -- took an extremely deep breath, and said, "Piss off, twats. You are so blind in your ideological fixations that you can't understand the simplest concept. I know what I know despite what you say, and that's knowledge, because I don't believe a word you said. You have failed my class, both of you."
Debbi Jo says, "This isn't for a grade anyhow. No one gets grades in Sunday School."
I sent them both to infant care. This was a month or so before I was voted Sunday School Teacher of the Century. But you couldn't get me to teach that class these days. Kids!! Whattaya gonna do?
 
Why not? If bacteria stay bacteria or germs, pathogen, while it evolves it wouldn't present as contradictory to the Biblical kinds.
It was the "between" in "fertility between different groups" that seemed to make kinds inapplicable to microbes and self-pollinating plants.

I'm not the brightest bulb in the box. Please forgive my ignorance, but are you saying that kinds have to include sexual reproduction? Grass, for example, Genesis 1:12 - "The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good."
 
Ohhhhh, DHL. Let's defend the Bible, but use some tact.

Just can't get the easy joke out of your head, can you? I don't care about the Bible. It's just a book.
That you quote as an authority constantly, and in response to nearly every topic.

If I quoted Mark Twain in one out of two of my posts on this forum, would you then believe me if I followed up with a claim that I "really don't care about Mark Twain books very much"?

"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them."

~Mark Twain
 
Ohhhhh, DHL. Let's defend the Bible, but use some tact.

Just can't get the easy joke out of your head, can you? I don't care about the Bible. It's just a book.
So, to cut to the chase, you haven't defended the Bible on this website? Gosh. I'm like Rick in Casablanca. I was misinformed.
 
That you quote as an authority constantly, and in response to nearly every topic.

It is the topic.

If I quoted Mark Twain in one out of two of my posts on this forum, would you then believe me if I followed up with a claim that I "really don't care about Mark Twain books very much"?

Oxford: Infidel - a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own. Did you read that? Does that make sense to you? Who adheres to a religion other than one's own? If you were on the equivalent to an anti-Mark Twain forum, would you not quote him? Have had read him?

The Bible is just a book to me. I can tell you where it is wrong, where it gives a perspective contradictory to its own, where it contradicts, mostly numerically due to copyist errors. The Bible to me is like a dictionary. No wait, better use another analogy. A science book or taxi cab.

"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them."

~Mark Twain

Oh, you must be so smart!

"And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh."

~
King Solomon
 
Ohhhhh, DHL. Let's defend the Bible, but use some tact.

Just can't get the easy joke out of your head, can you? I don't care about the Bible. It's just a book.
So, to cut to the chase, you haven't defended the Bible on this website? Gosh. I'm like Rick in Casablanca. I was misinformed.

I don't think you were misinformed, but I can't say what you were. Fair. I can accurately say a great deal more than anyone here about what is wrong with the Bible. Does that mean I care about it less than any other?
 
And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh."

~
King Solomon
Not making much a case for your favorite book, there. I'll stick to Twain.

Also, the historical figure Solomon is almost certainly not the author of that quote.
 
Oxford: Infidel - a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own. Did you read that? Does that make sense to you? Who adheres to a religion other than one's own? If you were on the equivalent to an anti-Mark Twain forum, would you not quote him? Have had read him?
Internet Infidels is a place of refuge for those considered infidels by others and subject to their persecutions. Yourself included. It is not the name of any particular religious faith or community.
 
It is the topic
If you aren't giving the Bible any special preference, why would it be "the topic" of a thread about a scientific paradigm?

Am I giving the Bible special preference in a forum entitled science vs religion? I thought I explained all of this specifically to you, Abecedarians? Have I not been objective, equivocal, impartial, indefinite, amenable or other things I looked up in a search for this response?
 
And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh."

~
King Solomon
Not making much a case for your favorite book, there. I'll stick to Twain.

Well, shucks, Jim, in the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards.

Also, the historical figure Solomon is almost certainly not the author of that quote.

You really should stop reading those higher criticism comic books.
 
We can always fit more real science in this thread between stuff that DLH posts, and talk about that instead. Here, the geneticist Adam Rutherford at his Punk Eek blog focuses on human evolution to demolish the metaphor of the branching tree of life in favor of one big “clusterfuck.” And here, he debunks new reports of the de-extincting of the dire wolf, hype that even the NY Times fell for this morning, and does so in a most entertaining and vulgar fashion. Enjoy! (Not you, DLH — you’ve already said reality bores you.)
 
Note that the title of this thread is “THE Evolution Thread,” so let’s talk about evolution and ignore the bible and Yah! Hovah.
 
Addled
1.
unable to think clearly; confused.
"this might just be my addled brain playing tricks"
2.
(of an egg) rotten.



not playing with a full deck
phrase of deck

informal•North American
mentally deficient.
"this guy has a screw loose—he wasn't playing with a full deck"


That sounds like you know who to me. DLH is all of those things and much more.

Much more [he said, looking mischievously and mysteriously into the cyber hell]

Does DLH mean to foreshadow some new phase heretofore unbeknownst to the innocent sheep blah, blah, blah.

Don't make me bring out the jerkin it image again.
 
are you saying that kinds have to include sexual reproduction?
No. Even if I made the effort to adjust your phraseology upon which I first commented, I expect that I would end up with kind being - at best - as indefinite as species. Indefinite does not mean wrong. Indefinite does not mean necessarily useless. But with species there appears to be a notion of relatedness which kind does not even connote. Relationships is what makes species at least more interesting as a topic in and of itself. I do not see that thinking in terms of kinds is in any way even close to being important with regards to thinking about God or the Bible. More interesting than species and kinds is observing the thought patterns of people in the evolution-scriptures engagements.
 
Here, Rutherford attacks the same company that falsely claims to have de-extincted the dire wolf for claiming they will de-extinct the wooly mammoth.
 
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