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steve_bank
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I read that going back to the oldest copies of Genesis there are translation issues. No direct tr5aslatatioojns for some of the words words.
The story can be interpreted in different ways by translators. Instead of god created the Earth it could mean out of chaos god brought order or something lke that.
I forget the exact words, it hindges on a few words.
The story can be interpreted in different ways by translators. Instead of god created the Earth it could mean out of chaos god brought order or something lke that.
I forget the exact words, it hindges on a few words.
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Lost here. The only Peano on google is Giuseppe Peano, a long-dead Italian mathematician who developed theories which, as described on wikipedia, are way beyond anything I will ever understand. The Peano axioms...the Peano curve...I'm sure I'd need to go back to undergrad math and then graduate level math courses to get a toehold on that stuff. And then I'd never get to finish Dickens, Shakespeare, and Dostoyevsky...
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A little bit of set theory turns one into all, or almost all. Not my strongest suit either, by no means.
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Yeah, I will stick to Peano Grigio.
That's the one I was referencing, who came up with Peano's Axioms, axioms said by some to be the foundation of all mathematics.
1. Zero is a number.
2. If
is a number, the successor of
is a number.
3. zero is not the successor of a number.
4. Two numbers of which the successors are equal are themselves equal.
5. (induction axiom.) If a set
of numbers contains zero and also the successor of every number in
, then every number is in
.
Peano's axioms are the basis for the version of number theory known as Peano arithmetic.
1. Zero is a number.
2. If
3. zero is not the successor of a number.
4. Two numbers of which the successors are equal are themselves equal.
5. (induction axiom.) If a set
Peano's axioms are the basis for the version of number theory known as Peano arithmetic.
Peano's Axioms -- from Wolfram MathWorld
1. Zero is a number. 2. If a is a number, the successor of a is a number. 3. zero is not the successor of a number. 4. Two numbers of which the successors are equal are themselves equal. 5. (induction axiom.) If a set S of numbers contains zero and also the successor of every number in S...
mathworld.wolfram.com
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I see a lot of ads about the Peano Curve. Apparently, a good urologist can cure it.
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Genesis 1:1 is often taken to mean that God created everything from nothing—but that probably wasn’t how it was originally understood. In early Jewish thought, the focus wasn’t on the start of everything, but on God bringing order to a chaotic, formless world. The Hebrew word used for “create” doesn’t necessarily mean making something out of nothing—it’s more about shaping or organizing. The idea of creation ex nihilo came later, influenced by Greek philosophy and evolving theology. It’s a powerful idea, but not necessarily what the original text was saying.
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A lot of the heaviest and most preposterous BS in Christian Doctrine seems to have been added later by theologian's metaphysical speculation. Including the all-everything nonsense. Enough of it to give metaphysics a bad name.
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Be it order from chaos, a living man conjured from the dust of the earth is still magic.
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The dead sea scrolls demonstrates very little changes.
Let us know when you're sure.
Let us know when you remember.
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As magic as when science says we're made from space dust.
It may be the process by which things form that makes the difference between conjured and evolved.
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As magic as when science says we're made from space dust.
The difference is night and day. “Magic” explains nothing — it’s a placeholder for ignorance. Science saying we’re made from stardust isn’t hand-waving or wishful thinking; it’s a testable, observable conclusion based on spectroscopy, nucleosynthesis, and the life cycles of stars. When theists say “dust,” they mean literal dirt shaped by divine command. When science says “dust,” it means atoms forged in stars over billions of years — hydrogen, carbon, oxygen — the very elements in your body. One is myth. The other is model, evidence, and mechanism.
Equating the two isn’t clever — it’s evasive. Want to test the “magic dust” story? You can’t. That’s the point.
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Oddly enough. There is an interesting thought of pondering I've heard that goes by the idea that if a god or God wanted to create life, he would make it able to adapt to it's surroundings and spread to other environments to adapt, flourish and survive.As magic as when science says we're made from space dust.
It may be the process by which things form that makes the difference between conjured and evolved.
Then perhaps a theistic view (by some) that takes to the idea...that if evolution was part of the plan then the 'evolved' bit wouldn't really be a difference because as quoted above. that would also be a conjured up magic.
My view as a modern day theist of today in the language of today. In a manner of speaking... God is the ultimate scientist,
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Nothing at all magical about that. Basic chemistry.As magic as when science says we're made from space dust.
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Just noticed your post when I logged out.As magic as when science says we're made from space dust.
The difference is night and day. “Magic” explains nothing — it’s a placeholder for ignorance.
Strangely in return, people that claim "magic" is biblical, are ignorant of the theological concept.
The bible was correct on the dust part then? Dust as being made up of very small things?
The bible is not against 'scientific names' for testing processes, so there's no argument being made here.
My view is post #16.
The point is mute if you're portraying a different concept to mine.
I place the response #16 posted to DBT again here.
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Yeah sure. Magic performed by individuals is a counterfeit to one who performs miracles (through God), as described in the bible.Nothing at all magical about that. Basic chemistry.As magic as when science says we're made from space dust.
Magic and Miracles seen as the same thing confuses the discussion. We're talking from different angles (not that this is really of interest to you (plural)).