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After his first 5 Papal bulls, they may be realizing what they're getting with their Merkin Pope.
Bull Primum: Offer the Episcopalians a place in the Church as the 25th sui iuris (church division).
Bull Secundo: Reinstate the Inquisition, to be conducted on a secure island site in San Francisco Bay.
Bull Tertius: Raise the admission to the Sistine Chapel to various groups -- Baptists 40%, Presbyterians 60%, Lutherans 110%, Methodists 35%, Russian Orthodox exempt; all other groups 50%. Pope claims this will bring unimagined prosperity to the Church.
Bull Quartus: Mediterranean Sea = The American Sea.
Bull Quintus: With the purchase of a $1 million Holy Gold Card, or a $1 mill investment in Jesus Crypto, one can skip confession for five years. For only $100, one can get the EZ Pass, which reduces the confession to "Sorry." "You're good."
 
Coming from the Vatican, next month: Designer Communion Wafers. So far:
> Ranch
> Oreos
> Lucky Charms
> Cherry Garcia
> Vermont Cheddar
Atonement never tasted so goddamned good.
 
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Politesse said:
A much better choice than I was expecting them to make. Not someone I knew of previously, but reading his bio he seems like a decent enough guy. There's some deep, subtle historical irony in the idea of the first American Pope being also a liberalish Augustinian.

I do hope no child sex trafficking shit comes to light about the guy, though, goven some of his previous postings.

Also, Leo? We really didn't need yet another Leo...
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Ahem, the post above yours.
 
Wow the Pope said some stuff about a ceasefire. I am sure there'll be a ceasefire now cuz the Pope said it. Praise the Pope, cuz he says stuff. 🙄
 
It is like a farce.

A pope in a goofy costume with a funny hat gets on global TV and says everybody should make nice with each other. Pro forma pope speak.

Commentators in the media swoon over his profound moral declaration.

The Vatican lives in a fantasy reality thinking they are living in past centuries when the RCC had direct power. It was defanged with the rise of the Italian state in the 19th cabinetry.
 
steve_bank said:
It is like a farce.

A pope in a goofy costume with a funny hat gets on global TV and says everybody should make nice with each other. Pro forma pope speak.

Commentators in the media swoon over his profound moral declaration.

The Vatican lives in a fantasy reality thinking they are living in past centuries when the RCC had direct power. It was defanged with the rise of the Italian state in the 19th cabinetry.
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I believe that the Popes are aware of that, which is why they became a kinder and gentler Vatican. From Vatican II to declaring Bush's Iraq Invasion a "crime against humanity". Nothing miraculous, but a decided improvement over the violent autocratic empire of old.
Tom
 
That is ridiculous. The RCC is all about power as it has always been.

I went to Catholic schools. When I graduated when you went up on stage to get yiour diorama you were supposed to kneel down and kiss the ring of the bishop.

The RCC is about indoctrination of the young into blind obedience to the church.

The pope is elected by a political process and becomes the moral father of the world. Absurd.

There is a creepiness to the Vatican and the images of the pope and cardinals and what they have been saying. A secretive mystical organization with magic rituals behind walls with little transparency.

I went to Catholic schools and I am immune to it and all similar nonsense.

I think it was Benedict who purged Catholic schools and the church of social activism. Make nice with dictatorships if it benefits the church. Converts are more important than social activism.


The RCC practices realpolitik and situational ethics just like any government. It uses propaganda like any government.

Du8rng the Biden admission the RCC threatened politicians who did not vote the RCC line with loss of sacraments and excommunication.


Eucharist denial to Catholic politicians over abortion - Wikipedia

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Because the Catholic Church opposes abortion as a matter of doctrine, some Catholic bishops have refused or threatened to refuse communion, or threatened to declare excommunication upon Catholic politicians who support abortion rights. In some cases, officials have stated that ministers should refuse communion to such politicians per canon 915 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law; elsewhere, that the politicians should, on their own, refrain from receiving communion ad normam canon 916; and in other cases, excommunication has been suggested.
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The RCC has always been and always will be about power.
 
Tom

I don’t think the RCC has any use for either you or I. That goes for the clergy and followers.

In Catholic theology, atheism is the denial or rejection of the existence of God, and is considered a sin against the virtue of religion. While some atheists may still engage with Catholic culture and traditions, the core disagreement lies in the belief or non-belief in a divine being. The Catholic Church views atheism as a significant challenge to the faith, with some leaders like Pope Francis emphasizing the importance of God in human life and the potential dangers of a life without faith.

Imputability of the Offense:
The Catechism also acknowledges that the imputability (responsibility) of atheism can be diminished by circumstances and intentions, according to Catholic Culture.
Pope Francis' Perspective:
Pope Francis has repeatedly emphasized that atheism can lead to a society where people take the place of God, potentially resulting in a sense of meaninglessness and destruction, according to The Napa Institute.
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Interesting in that the RCC with little biblical juifcation says it is the word of god on Earth.

Deism and Catholic theology are fundamentally incompatible. Deism, a belief in God based on reason and natural observation, rejects revealed religion, the Trinity, and the supernatural aspects of Christianity. Catholic theology, conversely, relies heavily on divine revelation through scripture and tradition, affirms the Trinity, and emphasizes the supernatural, such as miracles and the sacraments.
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In Catholic theology, agnosticism, which doubts the possibility of knowing God through reason, is considered a contradiction to the Catholic faith. The Church believes that God can be known with certainty through the natural light of human reason, specifically by observing the created world. While some forms of agnosticism, like partial agnosticism, might be seen as less opposed to the faith, a complete denial of the possibility of knowing God is seen as a rejection of Catholic principles.
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The RCC has graded and degrees of sin and offenses with punishments.. Non of it based in the bible, all invented.


The fundamental principle I was taught as a Catholic is that the RCC is the one and only true apostolic Christian church. They make the claim by saying the pope is in a line stretching back to Peter as the first bishop of Rome. The pope as the inerrant moral voice of god on Earth.

They try to appear inclusive and reach out to other religions and Christians, but the catechism remains the same, they are the one and only true religion.

And they are aggressively evangelical. Historically brutal.

RCC Catechism
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I don't fall for that public image of peace and love from the RCC.
 
From the (very) little I've read, modern Catholic teaching is that there is a possibility for Protestants to get into heaven, through the grace of blah, blah, blah. (Google's short-form answer provided the word 'possibility', which certainly sounds lukewarm.) But the RCC still holds steadfast to the idea that they are God's true representatives on earth, that their Pope speaks definitively on the nature and intentions of God, that only their priests are acting with God's power when they administer the sacraments. They better be ready for JC's first question, when he steps out of the space pod. "You guys think she was immaculate? We're talking about my mom, right?"
 
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If God could perform an Immaculate Conception on Mary, why can't he do it for everyone?
 
James Brown said:
If God could perform an Immaculate Conception on Mary, why can't he do it for everyone?
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Eww... do it... to everyone? What if he turns out to be awful at it?

Regardless, god is too busy thumbing the scales in high school football games to be impregnating women across the globe. Besides, he commanded us to be fruitful and multiple. He didn't say he was going to do it.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
James Brown said:
If God could perform an Immaculate Conception on Mary, why can't he do it for everyone?
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Eww... do it... to everyone? What if he turns out to be awful at it?

Regardless, god is too busy thumbing the scales in high school football games to be impregnating women across the globe. Besides, he commanded us to be fruitful and multiple. He didn't say he was going to do it.
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Common misunderstanding.

 Immaculate Conception is not being impregnated by a deity. It's the Catholic bugfix that teaches that Mary was conceived without receiving the sinful nature genes of her parents. That way she did not pass on her own sinful nature genes to Jesus when God impregnated her.

If God can make Mary be born without a sinful nature, why can't he make everyone be born that way?
 
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