Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[ZiprHead]

Yeah, yeah. You keep trotting out this crap because it is what you want to believe.

Wrong. It's the truth. As I have shown.

But he's wrong.

I would trust the then leader of PLO on this issue far more than some AI slop.

No, you want the political interpretation to be true because it supports your ideology. As someone said recently "On the contrary. The meanings of words matter."

 

[laughing dog]

Since people who lived in Palestine are, by definition, Palestinians, application of your standard means your previous claim is invalid.

Again, the meaning of the word changed in the second half of the last century due to media taking up PLO propaganda.
Israel haters use that difference in meaning to pretend that "Palestine" in the contemporary definition existed before the modern state of Israel, when that is rank nonsense. As I have shown with the example of the "Palestinian" soccer team from 1939.

Palestine does predate modern Israel. That is a fact.

Palestine, in the contemporary meaning of the word, definitely does not. That is a fact. It's like claiming that computers predate the 20th century because an older definition of the term "computer" was used for humans who perform calculations.

You’ve shown nothing but desperate spin in justification of your bigotry.

True. But that does not mean they are against prosperity for their people. It simply means they are willing to trade prosperity now for other goals. You and I may think it is foolish, but that does not mean they are against prosperity for their people.

Nobody would be against prosperity for their people in a vacuum. That would be a trivial claim, and thus useless. Nothing exists in a vacuum.
By rating prosperity (and even very lives) of their people well below things like killing Jews and establishing an Islamic theocracy, they show that they do not really care about prosperity for their people.
[/QUOTE] That is Islamphobe logic, not reason.

 

[Derec]

You’ve shown nothing but desperate spin in justification of your bigotry.
[...]
That is Islamphobe logic, not reason.

When you run out of arguments, all you are left with is cheap name-calling.

 

[Derec]

No, you want the political interpretation to be true because it supports your ideology. As someone said recently "On the contrary. The meanings of words matter."

I have offered reasons and examples for my interpretation, which happens to correspond to reality.
All you replied with is some AI slop. Do better.

 

[Derec]

So, IDF targeted the new Hamas chief in Gaza, Mohammed Sinwar, in a tunnel underneath Khan Yunis.
The Rafah Brigade commander and the notorious Hamas spokesman are also thought to have been in the tunnel with Sinwar the Younger.

Hamas spokesman, Rafah Brigade commander also killed with Sinwar, IDF believes

Hopefully, this will be confirmed as true.

This clip shows the strike on the tunnel. You can see a number of bunker busters detonating.


Nice balcony, btw.

 

[laughing dog]

You’ve shown nothing but desperate spin in justification of your bigotry.
[...]
That is Islamphobe logic, not reason.

When you run out of arguments, all you are left with is cheap name-calling.

Epic irony.

 

[ZiprHead]

No, you want the political interpretation to be true because it supports your ideology. As someone said recently "On the contrary. The meanings of words matter."

I have offered reasons and examples for my interpretation, which happens to correspond to reality.
All you replied with is some AI slop. Do better.

One religious nutbag, a muslim one at that, says something to justify in your mind Jewish theft of land and you think everyone should respect that definition even though the term Palestinian was used to denote the people that live in Palestine for sixty years prior?

Your slop is not fooling anyone.

 Palestinians

In modern times, the first person to self-describe Palestine's Arabs as "Palestinians" was Khalil Beidas in 1898, followed by Salim Quba'in and Najib Nassar in 1902. After the 1908 Young Turk Revolution, which eased press censorship laws in the Ottoman Empire, dozens of newspapers and periodicals were founded in Palestine, and the term "Palestinian" expanded in usage. Among those were the Al-Quds, Al-Munadi, Falastin, Al-Karmil and Al-Nafir newspapers, which used the term "Filastini" more than 170 times in 110 articles from 1908 to 1914. They also made references to a "Palestinian society", "Palestinian nation", and a "Palestinian diaspora". Article writers included Christian and Muslim Arab Palestinians, Palestinian emigrants, and non-Palestinian The Palestinian Arab Christian Falastin newspaper had addressed its readers as Palestinians since its inception in 1911 during the Ottoman period.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I thought this was funny.

So many leftist Hamas supporters also suffer from the delusion they're pro gay rights. Worst allies imaginable

 

[ZiprHead]

I thought this was funny.

So many leftist Hamas supporters also suffer from the delusion they're pro gay rights. Worst allies imaginable

Worst point imaginable.

 

[Derec]

One religious nutbag, a muslim one at that,

Nutbag he certainly was, but since he was a Baathist, I doubt he was particularly religious. In any case, he is an actual authority on the subject of what PLO did.
Btw, the much waved "Palestinian" flag is actually a copy of the flag of the  Ba'ath Party.

says something to justify in your mind Jewish theft of land

What theft of land? Buying land from the Ottomans and settling in the Land of Israel is not "Jewish land theft".
And why is settling in a territory considered by your Ilk "theft" and "settler colonialism" when Jews do it, but Arab settlers coming from Egypt or Yemen or Syria are considered the "indigenous population"?
Even Hamas knows that the Palestinians are not indigenous to the land.

and you think everyone should respect that definition even though the term Palestinian was used to denote the people that live in Palestine for sixty years prior?

As I said, it was a geographical term, not an ethnic one. Hence the Palestinian soccer team and "The Palestine Post", both Jewish.
The anti-Israel crowd wants to use the later PLO-invented meaning and apply it to earlier times to argue that the nation of "Palestine" has existed before modern Israel. As I have shown with the soccer team, they even try to use Jewish uses of the term for that purpose, which shows their intellectual dishonesty.

Your slop is not fooling anyone.

Not slop, and is not intended to fool anyone. Unlike yours.

 Palestinians

Wikipedia is a better source than Gemini, so ...

Not sure what you think this proves though. I never said Arabs did not use "Palestine" and "Palestinian", just that it was a geographical term at the time, and therefore it was also used by Jews living in the area. And no, a Yemeni Arab settling in e.g. Jericho in the 1930s does not make him "native" or "indigenous" just because he is an Arab. Despite corrupt UNRWA deeming all his descendens "Palestinian refugees" for all eternity.
Oh, and note that Arab had to change the "p" to "f" because the former does not exist in their language. Talk about a shibboleth!

 

[Derec]

Worst point imaginable.

No, he has a good point. "Queers for Palestine" makes about as much sense as "Illegal Migrants for Trump".

Queers for Palestine and the Death of Irony

 

[laughing dog]

Worst point imaginable.

No, he has a good point. "Queers for Palestine" makes about as much sense as "Illegal Migrants for Trump".

Queers for Palestine and the Death of Irony

People support causes all the time that go against their personal interests. Sometimes, it is due to ignorance. Sometimes stupidity. Sometimes altruism.

 

[Derec]

People support causes all the time that go against their personal interests. Sometimes, it is due to ignorance. Sometimes stupidity. Sometimes altruism.

Just because stuff like that is not uncommon, does not mean that a) there are not gradations of this phenomenon and b) that we shouldn't make fun of them.

 

[laughing dog]

People support causes all the time that go against their personal interests. Sometimes, it is due to ignorance. Sometimes stupidity. Sometimes altruism.

Just because stuff like that is not uncommon, does not mean that a) there are not gradations of this phenomenon and b) that we shouldn't make fun of them.

No one said anything to the contrary. Of course, it also does not mean you should make fun of them.

 

[ZiprHead]

Not sure what you think this proves though. I never said Arabs did not use "Palestine" and "Palestinian", just that it was a geographical term at the time, and therefore it was also used by Jews living in the area. And no, a Yemeni Arab settling in e.g. Jericho in the 1930s does not make him "native" or "indigenous" just because he is an Arab. Despite corrupt UNRWA deeming all his descendens "Palestinian refugees" for all eternity.
Oh, and note that Arab had to change the "p" to "f" because the former does not exist in their language. Talk about a shibboleth!

Who said anything about native, indigenous, or ethnic???

 

[ZiprHead]

Worst point imaginable.

No, he has a good point. "Queers for Palestine" makes about as much sense as "Illegal Migrants for Trump".

Queers for Palestine and the Death of Irony

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

 

[DrZoidberg]

I thought this was funny.

So many leftist Hamas supporters also suffer from the delusion they're pro gay rights. Worst allies imaginable

Worst point imaginable.

What an eloquent rebutle

 

[DrZoidberg]

Worst point imaginable.

No, he has a good point. "Queers for Palestine" makes about as much sense as "Illegal Migrants for Trump".

Queers for Palestine and the Death of Irony

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

Are you implying that everybody who have a problem with the ideology of Hamas are just like Hitler? Because it sounds like it.

Hamas is the government of Gaza. They started this war. Not only did they not have a plan to protect civilians, they used them as human shields. In what way are the IDF guilty of Palestinian civilians coming in harms way?

I hold Hamas 100% responsible for all the deaths of the Palestinian civilians. All of them.

It's not like the Israeli response came as a huge surprise to Hamas. The Palestinians have been doing this shit for decades. They learned in the 1970'ies that the western leftist press are dumb as bricks and will allow themselves to be manipulated if the Palestinians provoke Israel to make a justified response and then show the predictable Palestinian bodies. Hamas' current behaviour is just them following incentives in a propaganda war. It's not like Hamas' manipulation of western press is subtle or clever. There's just no way Israel can just sit on their hands knowing Hamas holds their people hostage.

And I'm saying Palestinians rather than Hamas. While I'm against collective punishments, there's no popular Palestinian movement for peaceful coexistence with Israel. We can discuss all day why that is. But there isn't. It's almost like all Muslims see it as a sacred duty to oppose Israel, no matter what. If that's the attitude of Palestinians then Israels actions make total sense, and the deaths of Palestinian civilians come as a predictable outcome.

But I do think there's hope. Many of these "perpetual" ethnic conflicts get resolved once they run out of steam. Ie, the people start telling themselves different stories. Ireland became a booming IT nation. Which disctracted the Northern Irish fanatics enough to kill the conflict. Something like that can fix Gaza. But that does require stability and responsible government. So Hamas has to go. Isreal is making that happen.

 

[thebeave]

People support causes all the time that go against their personal interests. Sometimes, it is due to ignorance. Sometimes stupidity. Sometimes altruism.

Just because stuff like that is not uncommon, does not mean that a) there are not gradations of this phenomenon and b) that we shouldn't make fun of them.

No one said anything to the contrary. Of course, it also does not mean you should make fun of them.

There are many examples on this forum of you ridiculing and getting delight in Trump voters losing their jobs, getting detained at the border, etc due to Trump's policies. Here's one:

https://iidb.org/threads/are-people-already-regretting-their-choice.28902/page-25#post-1273538

 

[laughing dog]

People support causes all the time that go against their personal interests. Sometimes, it is due to ignorance. Sometimes stupidity. Sometimes altruism.

Just because stuff like that is not uncommon, does not mean that a) there are not gradations of this phenomenon and b) that we shouldn't make fun of them.

No one said anything to the contrary. Of course, it also does not mean you should make fun of them.

There are many examples on this forum of you ridiculing and getting delight in Trump voters losing their jobs, getting detained at the border, etc due to Trump's policies. Here's one:

https://iidb.org/threads/are-people-already-regretting-their-choice.28902/page-25#post-1273538

A conservative “thinker” missed the point again by a mile. The sentence “No one said anything to the contrary” means that no one disagrees with making fun. The bold-faced sentence means in context that there is mo obligation to make fun or not make fun.

In addition, he is making fun of people based on presumed intent. I was making fun of people for complaining about receiving what they voted for.

But, I don’t claim to be nice or perfect. So thank you for the lesson in “whaboutism”.