Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Derec]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.
Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

 

[Derec]

In other Gaza War news, IDF blew up a 2 km (1.25 mile) long tunnel in North Gaza.


Next, according to Hamas sources, a senior commander of the terror division of the so-called "Popular Resistance Committees" was killed while resisting arrest.

Special forces disguised as women tried to snatch Gaza terror boss - reports

Hamas said on Monday that the Israel Defense Forces carried out a covert operation, claiming that special forces entered Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip, disguised as women, and tried to kidnap the commander of the Al-Nasser Salah Al-Din Brigades, Ahmed Kamal Sarhan, who was later killed.

The brigade is the military arm of the Popular Resistance Committees terror organization, considered the third largest in Gaza. "We confirm that a special Zionist force entered the city of Khan Yunis, disguised as women, and tried to kidnap the commander, who thwarted the operation and became a martyr in a direct confrontation with the force," Hamas reported.

Lastly, it seems that Mohammed Sinwar and some around him, including a brigadier general, were indeed killed in a tunnel underneath a Khan Yunis hospital.
Hamas leader Muhammad Sinwar’s body said found in Gaza tunnel hit by IDF last week

 

[DrZoidberg]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.
Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Or at any point shift tactic and chose to live in peace with the Israelis. Israel is an inclusive modern western country. All the Muslims need to do is accept that they're not the master race anymore. They'll need to learn to live with being the equals of Jews. That is the entire problem in this conflict.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.

Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Gaza is being rendered into Dresden. How many more Gazans do you think need to die before Gazans overlook all the death and side with Israel... with Hamas guns to their heads of course.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.
Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Or at any point shift tactic and chose to live in peace with the Israelis. Israel is an inclusive modern western country. All the Muslims need to do is accept that they're not the master race anymore. They'll need to learn to live with being the equals of Jews. That is the entire problem in this conflict.

The entire problem with the conflict is that the madmen are in charge of both sides and that both armed factions think their violence is justified.

Gazan officials say 53k have died. Using the Loren rule, we'll slash that to 5,300 innocent civilians, and there is no end in sight.

 

[TomC]

Gaza is being rendered into Dresden. How many more Gazans do you think need to die before Gazans overlook all the death and side with Israel... with Hamas guns to their heads of course.

And for a similar reason to the attack on Dresden. They were helping support a group of violent supremacists trying to destroy neighboring countries.
Once the Nazis were destroyed Dresden got a bunch of help in rebuilding. Same might happen in Gaza, but not before the violent Muslim terrorists are destroyed.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.
Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Or at any point shift tactic and chose to live in peace with the Israelis. Israel is an inclusive modern western country. All the Muslims need to do is accept that they're not the master race anymore. They'll need to learn to live with being the equals of Jews. That is the entire problem in this conflict.

If you ignore the Israeli ethnic cleansing clique, you have a point.

 

[TomC]

If you ignore the Israeli ethnic cleansing clique, you have a point.

And if you have to invent such groups you don't have a point.

There is a Muslim ethnic cleansing clique, in case you were unaware of the existence of Hamas.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

If you ignore the Israeli ethnic cleansing clique, you have a point.

And if you have to invent such groups you don't have a point.
+

No one has to invent anything.
Far Right Minister advocates dropping nuclear bomb on Gaza
If all of Gaza are refugees,l let's scatter them in the world
Minister predicts West Bank to be annexed by end of term

FFS, one of Israelis founding heroes - David Ben Gurion was a proponent of ethnic cleansing of Arabs from the region

With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement]. I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it." [
We must expel Arabs and take their places...and, if we have to use force... then we have force at our disposal."

In their own words

The illegal (by international law) expansion of West Bank settlements is yet another example.

Like it or not, there ethnic cleansers on all sides there.

There is a Muslim ethnic cleansing clique, in case you were unaware of the existence of Hamas.
Tom

Since my comment agrees that Dr Zoidberg has a point, your comment better resembles something stupid rather than clever.

 

[Arctish]

If you ignore the Israeli ethnic cleansing clique, you have a point.

And if you have to invent such groups you don't have a point.

There is a Muslim ethnic cleansing clique, in case you were unaware of the existence of Hamas.
Tom

If you ignore the statements of Benjamin Netanyahu, Bezalel Smotrich, and Itamar Ben Gvir, ignore the political parties they lead and the importance of their political alliance, and you skip over the links other posters regularly provide that keep the rest of us updated on their current activities and long-term goals, then you can pretend there isn't an ethnic cleansing clique in Israel.

 

[DrZoidberg]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.

Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Gaza is being rendered into Dresden. How many more Gazans do you think need to die before Gazans overlook all the death and side with Israel... with Hamas guns to their heads of course.

If you just keep being nice and the other side keeps taking advantage of you then you're a sucker. The Israelis have just had enough of Palestinian behaviour. BTW, so has the rest of the Arab world. Which is why no-one is helping the Palestinians (except Iran. But they're arguably not helping).

What the IDF is doing now is necessary to defang Hamas, once and for all. Once Hamas stops fighting, Israel will stop. FYI, Hamas is still continually shooting at the IDF. This can be compared to the German absurd defence of Berlin in WW2 long after it was obvious that Germany had lost the war. What Hamas is doing is trying to maximise the death of Palestinian casaulties, to generate propaganda points. You are letting yourself be manipulated. While we in the west allow their tactic to succeed they will continue. Since the western press and public is too retarded to understand how they're being manipulated, the IDF needs to take it over completely.

 

[DrZoidberg]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.
Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Or at any point shift tactic and chose to live in peace with the Israelis. Israel is an inclusive modern western country. All the Muslims need to do is accept that they're not the master race anymore. They'll need to learn to live with being the equals of Jews. That is the entire problem in this conflict.

If you ignore the Israeli ethnic cleansing clique, you have a point.

That's the most antisemitic thing said in this thread

I have been warned about not calling it out in this thread and being banned. But I have a problem with antisemitism and racism. Unless the mods decide to stop protecting antisemities and racists you are going to have to ban me.

I'm not going to stop calling it out.

 

[laughing dog]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.
Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Or at any point shift tactic and chose to live in peace with the Israelis. Israel is an inclusive modern western country. All the Muslims need to do is accept that they're not the master race anymore. They'll need to learn to live with being the equals of Jews. That is the entire problem in this conflict.

If you ignore the Israeli ethnic cleansing clique, you have a point.

That's the most antisemitic thing said in this thread

I have been warned about not calling it out in this thread and being banned. But I have a problem with antisemitism and racism. Unless the mods decide to stop protecting antisemities and racists you are going to have to ban me.

I'm not going to stop calling it out.

You have a problem with facts. There are Israelis , including those in the current gov’t, who advocate for the ethnic cleansing of Arabs from the region. Recognizing reality is a sign of rationality and sanity, not antisemitism.

You’ve made it abundantly clear you have mo problem flinging baseless accusations of antisemitism. Those slanders supplement your bigoted anti-Arab tirades to give a more rounded picture of your position.

 

[DrZoidberg]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.
Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Or at any point shift tactic and chose to live in peace with the Israelis. Israel is an inclusive modern western country. All the Muslims need to do is accept that they're not the master race anymore. They'll need to learn to live with being the equals of Jews. That is the entire problem in this conflict.

If you ignore the Israeli ethnic cleansing clique, you have a point.

That's the most antisemitic thing said in this thread

I have been warned about not calling it out in this thread and being banned. But I have a problem with antisemitism and racism. Unless the mods decide to stop protecting antisemities and racists you are going to have to ban me.

I'm not going to stop calling it out.

You have a problem with facts. There are Israelis , including those in the current gov’t, who advocate for the ethnic cleansing of Arabs from the region. Recognizing reality is a sign of rationality and sanity, not antisemitism.

You’ve made it abundantly clear you have mo problem flinging baseless accusations of antisemitism.

Any population has extremists. That's hardly why you brought it up.

By bringing it up in this conflict you are impliying that they have any say in IDF actions. I think that is antisemitic

Extremist Israeli politicians saying extreme stuff on camera doesn't mean that is Israeli policy

Those slanders supplement your bigoted anti-Arab tirades to give a more rounded picture of your position.

Lol. So your response to being called out for your racism is to call me a racist. Such a weak rebutle.

Good people can support evil things if they allow themselves to be manipulated. That's whats happening in the western press right now. So you are not alone

I'm not bigoted and I'm not anti Arab. I think the problem is what modern Islam has evolved to. Which makes normal Arabs lean towards extremism

The world's first openly gay Imam quickly got shot in the head. That's the kind of people we are dealing with

 

[pood]

By bringing it up in this conflict you are impliying that they have any say in IDF actions. I think that is antisemitic

Calling out Israel for ethnic cleansing and genocide is not anti-semitic.

Those slanders supplement your bigoted anti-Arab tirades to give a more rounded picture of your position.

Lol. So your response to being called out for your racism is to call me a racist. Such a weak rebutle.

It’s rebuttal, not rebutle.

That's the kind of people we are dealing with

Stereotyping people or “kind of people” is the opposite of not being a racist. We are dealing with individual terrorists or small groups of terrorists. The vast majority of more than a billion Muslims desire the same thing as most everyone else, to live in peace. The Palestinians are under deep provocation because Israel stole their land in 1948.

 

[DrZoidberg]

By bringing it up in this conflict you are impliying that they have any say in IDF actions. I think that is antisemitic

Calling out Israel for ethnic cleansing and genocide is not anti-semitic.

I think it is. Its not ethnic cleansing or genocide. By using those words you are trying to change the narrative to frame Israel actions as unjustified

Not to mention that it dilutes the words. Ethnic cleansing and genocide is very serious. Perhaps we should stick to using the words only where they apply?

That's the kind of people we are dealing with

Stereotyping people or “kind of people” is the opposite of not being a racist.

No its not. It really isn't. You are inserting meaning that isn't there

We are dealing with individual terrorists or small groups of terrorists.

We are not dealing with small groups of terrorists

Hamas is well funded by a major state. I don’t understand how anyone can label Islamist terrorism as "small groups of terrorists"

The vast majority of more than a billion Muslims desire the same thing as most everyone else, to live in peace.

Yes, of course.

The Palestinians are under deep provocation because Israel stole their land in 1948.

This hobby horse has been whipped to death. Just stop. Its not relevant

 

[TomC]

Calling out Israel for ethnic cleansing and genocide is not anti-semitic.

I also despise the word anti-Semitic, it's stupidly imprecise. What @DrZoidberg is calling out is the rampant anti-Zionism, which commonly spreads to anti-Jewish bigotry.

What you are doing is blaming the Israeli leadership for protecting their people from an implacably murderous attack. That's not ethnic cleansing or genocide.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.
Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Or at any point shift tactic and chose to live in peace with the Israelis. Israel is an inclusive modern western country. All the Muslims need to do is accept that they're not the master race anymore. They'll need to learn to live with being the equals of Jews. That is the entire problem in this conflict.

If you ignore the Israeli ethnic cleansing clique, you have a point.

That's the most antisemitic thing said in this thread

I have been warned about not calling it out in this thread and being banned. But I have a problem with antisemitism and racism. Unless the mods decide to stop protecting antisemities and racists you are going to have to ban me.

I'm not going to stop calling it out.

You have a problem with facts. There are Israelis , including those in the current gov’t, who advocate for the ethnic cleansing of Arabs from the region. Recognizing reality is a sign of rationality and sanity, not antisemitism.

You’ve made it abundantly clear you have mo problem flinging baseless accusations of antisemitism.

Any population has extremists. That's hardly why you brought it up.

No. I brought up to show the bias in your bigoted claim of "All the Muslims need to do is accept that they're not the master race anymore. "

I do agree - every population has its extremists.

By bringing it up in this conflict you are impliying that they have any say in IDF actions. I think that is antisemitic

Extremist Israeli politicians saying extreme stuff on camera doesn't mean that is Israeli policy

Of course not. But when Israeli policy is consistent with some of their sayings, then perhaps it is Israeli policy. And if you think that those hard right Israeli racists agreed and stayed on in a government in order to have no influence on policy, well, you are even less knowledgable than you have already proven.

Those slanders supplement your bigoted anti-Arab tirades to give a more rounded picture of your position.

Lol. So your response to being called out for your racism is to call me a racist. Such a weak rebutle.

It is not a rebuttal - it is an observation which is consistent with the contents of your posts (see below for your most recent bigoted comment).

Good people can support evil things if they allow themselves to be manipulated.

Iron is truly lost on you,

hat's whats happening in the western press right now. So you are not alone

I'm not bigoted and I'm not anti Arab. I think the problem is what modern Islam has evolved to. Which makes normal Arabs lean towards extremism

The world's first openly gay Imam quickly got shot in the head. That's the kind of people we are dealing with

As pood pointed out "That's the kind of people we are dealing with" is consistent with bigotry.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Gaza is being rendered into Dresden. How many more Gazans do you think need to die before Gazans overlook all the death and side with Israel... with Hamas guns to their heads of course.

And for a similar reason to the attack on Dresden. They were helping support a group of violent supremacists trying to destroy neighboring countries.

Germany's violations against Europe amounted to a much larger than Hamas. And Gaza is the only place in Gaza, Dresden wasn't all of Germany.

Once the Nazis were destroyed Dresden got a bunch of help in rebuilding. Same might happen in Gaza, but not before the violent Muslim terrorists are destroyed.

Rebuilt by who? The West can't build there. The Middle East won't put in the money for it to be bombed by Israel again. Gaza is only rebuilt if Iran ends their siege of Gaza.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So it's okay the Gazans are slaughtered?

What does that have to do with ridiculing a group of people for being useful idiots for a terrorist organization that'd just as soon kill them as look at them?

As to your question: of course not! But Gaza started this war, and they have it in their power to end it.

Hamas (which is the de facto government of Gaza) and allied terror groups (Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees and such) should have capitulated unconditionally a year ago. Then much suffering would have been spared the Gazan people.

Gaza is being rendered into Dresden. How many more Gazans do you think need to die before Gazans overlook all the death and side with Israel... with Hamas guns to their heads of course.

If you just keep being nice and the other side keeps taking advantage of you then you're a sucker.

This is a brilliant example of the false dichotomy fallacy.

What the IDF is doing now is necessary to defang Hamas, once and for all.

There is no defeating Hamas once and for all by bombing Gaza. There is becoming less and less of it to bomb.

Once Hamas stops fighting, Israel will stop.

Hamas becomes irrelevant once Iran makes it irrelevant. Nothing short of that ends Hamas. This delusion that the solution to Hamas is a military one should have been obviously noted as a folly after six or nine months of the attacks on Gaza.

You are letting yourself be manipulated.

The heck I am. I recognize that the solution to this problem is political, not military. You note that Hamas is still shooting at Israel. If laying waste to Gaza through military force isn't enough to stop that, and you can't get that just one more bomb mentality is ridiculously flawed, I can't help you. Just because Hamas poses a threat to Israel doesn't mean bombing the fuck out of Gaza will remediate that threat.