Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[seanie]

Do t think you were following the conversation. Gross physical examination of various parts of trees allowed farmers, botanists and horticulturists to observe that some varieties of trees came in male or female specimens and some did not.

Again, what were they observing to draw these distinctions?

 

[Toni]

Except that not all trees are binary. Trees are not always male or female.

Some trees are monoecious, meaning they have both male and female reproductive parts on the same tree. Others are dioecious, with separate male and female trees. Many trees are also hermaphroditic, meaning they have both male and female parts in each flower.

He knows. He linked a Guardian article that said that.

How do we know they have both male and female parts?

What are the terms male and female referring to?

Omfg: By examining them! Example: My maple trees drop millions of seeds every year—some of which sprout and grow and would become other maple trees if I did not pull them up! And those same trees drop pollen all over my yard and porch and it blows into my window screens!

I can tell that biology and nature is not your long suite but honestly, this has been known for centuries!

He knows. You've heard the advice given to all lawyers? "Never ask a question you don't already know the answer to." He's cross-examining you -- asking you questions designed to draw you into admitting some point he thinks will be damaging to your case.

Uh, it’s not at all clear that s/he knows anything about first year basic science—and I’m being generous.

 

[seanie]

We’re botanists “randomly assigning” sex to trees?

Or were there objective criteria?

 

[seanie]

Uh, it’s not at all clear that s/he knows anything about first year basic science—and I’m being generous.

Well it’s not clear you understand the meaning of the word “both”.

So there’s that.

 

[TomC]

I realize it makes some men feel all manly by proclaiming that they are staunch defenders of women’s safety and virtue but it would be much more meaningful and effective if y’all quit being a threat to women’s physical safety.

In what way do you think that I, or any of the men on this forum, are a threat to women's physical safety?
Well, maybe Jarhyn or thebeave, but I am confident that most of us have been thoroughly socialized.

Who do you mean by "y'all", if not me?
Tom

 

[Toni]

I realize it makes some men feel all manly by proclaiming that they are staunch defenders of women’s safety and virtue but it would be much more meaningful and effective if y’all quit being a threat to women’s physical safety.

In what way do you think that I, or any of the men on this forum, are a threat to women's physical safety?
Well, maybe Jarhyn or thebeave, but I am confident that most of us have been thoroughly socialized.

Who do you mean by "y'all", if not me?
Tom

I meant men in general, no specific individual.

 

[Toni]

Except that not all trees are binary. Trees are not always male or female.

Some trees are monoecious, meaning they have both male and female reproductive parts on the same tree. Others are dioecious, with separate male and female trees. Many trees are also hermaphroditic, meaning they have both male and female parts in each flower.

He knows. He linked a Guardian article that said that.

How do we know they have both male and female parts?

What are the terms male and female referring to?

Omfg: By examining them! Example: My maple trees drop millions of seeds every year—some of which sprout and grow and would become other maple trees if I did not pull them up! And those same trees drop pollen all over my yard and porch and it blows into my window screens!

I can tell that biology and nature is not your long suite but honestly, this has been known for centuries!

He knows. You've heard the advice given to all lawyers? "Never ask a question you don't already know the answer to." He's cross-examining you -- asking you questions designed to draw you into admitting some point he thinks will be damaging to your case.

Uh, it’s not at all clear that s/he knows anything about first year basic science—and I’m being generous.

I did not have a proper science class until I was 12 years old —but I still managed to learn a decent amount about botany and horticulture and the beginnings of understanding of inheritance.

I’m pretty certain you can figure things out by doing some reading. And if you cannot manage that, I’m certain that all the explaining in the world wil not understand it for you.

 

[TomC]

I realize it makes some men feel all manly by proclaiming that they are staunch defenders of women’s safety and virtue but it would be much more meaningful and effective if y’all quit being a threat to women’s physical safety.

In what way do you think that I, or any of the men on this forum, are a threat to women's physical safety?
Well, maybe Jarhyn or thebeave, but I am confident that most of us have been thoroughly socialized.

Who do you mean by "y'all", if not me?
Tom

I meant men in general, no specific individual.

I think that men in general are a threat to women's security.
Are you disagreeing?

Looks to me like you're just supporting your trans activist ideologues, without regard for the obvious reality. Men are a much bigger security risk to women than women are to men.

Tom

 

[seanie]

I’m pretty certain you can figure things out by doing some reading. And if you cannot manage that, I’m certain that all the explaining in the world wil not understand it for you.

What were botanists observing?

Why were they classifying some as male, some as female, some as both?

What were the criteria?

Why are these difficult questions for you?

 

[Toni]

I realize it makes some men feel all manly by proclaiming that they are staunch defenders of women’s safety and virtue but it would be much more meaningful and effective if y’all quit being a threat to women’s physical safety.

In what way do you think that I, or any of the men on this forum, are a threat to women's physical safety?
Well, maybe Jarhyn or thebeave, but I am confident that most of us have been thoroughly socialized.

Who do you mean by "y'all", if not me?
Tom

I meant men in general, no specific individual.

I think that men in general are a threat to women's security.
Are you disagreeing?

Looks to me like you're just supporting your trans activist ideologues, without regard for the obvious reality. Men are a much bigger security risk to women than women are to men.

Tom

Looks to me like you’re just trying to find an argument. I prefer mine to be cogent.

 

[TomC]

I’m pretty certain you can figure things out by doing some reading. And if you cannot manage that, I’m certain that all the explaining in the world wil not understand it for you.

What were botanists observing?

Why were they classifying some as male, some as female, some as both?

What were the criteria?

Why are these difficult questions for you?

More to the point...

Who cares about sexes in trees? What does that have to do with anything important?

Why did an IIDB poster bring up sexing trees?

I'm talking about humans, not vegetation. Trees are not important to the discussion, although IIDB posters who cannot support their opinions about humans might change the discussion. (For obvious reasons)
Tom

 

[seanie]

Well, the issue is that sex is a well defined category across a vast array of plants and animals.

And when it comes to trans rights activism there has been a concerted effort to deny the reality of sex.

That it’s a spectrum, a Victorian/colonial invention, that it’s incredibly complex, undefinable, “INTERSEX!”, “CLOWNFISH!!!!”

And that’s all ideological horseshit.

 

[seanie]

And when someone talks about a “complete physical transformation”, the obvious question arises.

Transition from what, to what?

At what point is that transition “complete”?

I’ve provided an objective definition of sex that holds true across a vast array of plants and animals. What male and female means.

What alternative definitions are being offered, beyond anyone who considers themselves a woman is a woman?

 

[Toni]

The world and sex is more than black and white. There’s a whole rainbow of colors on the spectrum visible to most human eyes.

Abd then there are parts of the spectrum that lay outside of the human eyes’ ability to see.

 

[seanie]

What’s the evidence that sex is a spectrum?

 

[seanie]

You’ll need to define your terms.

 

[seanie]

And if you post a “bimodal graph”, be prepared to explain what the x-axis is measuring.

 

[seanie]

Or is your argument that some males should be allowed into female spaces,,,

…because ultraviolet and infrared?

 

[seanie]

I’d suggest stepping back for a moment, having a pause for reflection, taking time to give matters more consideration.

Because your arguments are pish.

 

[TomC]

I’d suggest stepping back for a moment, having a pause for reflection, taking time to give matters more consideration.

Because your arguments are pish.

Is "pish" a cute Scottish euphemism for FUBAR?
Tom