How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[TV and credit cards]

This is some Hogan's Heroes like shit.

The military source said it was an “extremely complex” operation, involving the smuggling of first-person view, or FPV, drones to Russia, where they were then placed in mobile wooden houses.
“Later, drones were hidden under the roofs of these houses while already placed on trucks. At the right moment, the roofs of the houses were remotely opened, and the drones flew to hit Russian bombers,” the source said.

The Security Service of Ukraine said that the operation, which it codenamed “Web”, had destroyed 34% of Russia’s fleet of air missile carriers

 

[TV and credit cards]

Unconfirmed:

 

[TV and credit cards]

From The War Zone:

As we noted in the opening of this story, the fact that Ukraine went after some of Russia’s most prized aerial capabilities, many of which are directly tied to its nuclear deterrent, greatly ups the ante. We don’t know how many strategic aircraft Russia lost today, but it could be a large portion of its long-range cruise missile carrier aircraft. While these aircraft have rained destruction on Ukraine from afar and are legitimate targets, they also underpin a leg of Russia’s nuclear deterrent. This will undoubtedly provoke a unique response from the Kremlin who has warned that widespread attacks against its strategic capabilities would be a red line.

 

[ZiprHead]

Europe need to think about exit strategy.
So far it seems that they plan rearmament and then WW3 in 10 years it seems.
I don't see how are they going to do that.
Trump has 4 years, and even US neocons accept reality that there is now 3 power in the world - US, China and Russia. And US should abandon Europe and concentrate on what's naturally their sphere - North and Latin America.

You want Europe to exit from what? Europe does need to dramatically increase it's defense efforts or else Russian will invade.

From helping nazi terrorists

Those "terrorists" just bombed the shit out of a Russian military airbase on Russian soil and destroyed dozens of bombers.

Russia needs to think about an exit strategy.

According to Newsweek they destroyed 30 bombers in Russia!

IIRC, it was forty heavy bombers across four differant airbases.

That's gonna leave a mark.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Europe need to think about exit strategy.
So far it seems that they plan rearmament and then WW3 in 10 years it seems.
I don't see how are they going to do that.
Trump has 4 years, and even US neocons accept reality that there is now 3 power in the world - US, China and Russia. And US should abandon Europe and concentrate on what's naturally their sphere - North and Latin America.

You want Europe to exit from what? Europe does need to dramatically increase it's defense efforts or else Russian will invade.

From helping nazi terrorists

The terrorists weren't destroying your long-range bombers before Putin invited himself to the country 3 years ago.

 

[bilby]

That "war" did in fact last 3 days. Ukrainian regime essentially capitulated.

Meanwhile, outside Mad Vlad's propaganda bubble:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64664944.amp

Three days into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, a huge 10-mile (15.5km) line of armoured vehicles was spotted by a satellite in the north of the country. The very same morning in Bucha, just outside Kyiv, 67-year-old Volodymyr Scherbynyn was standing outside his local supermarket when more than a hundred Russian military vehicles rolled into town. Both Volodymyr and the satellite were witnesses to a key part of President Vladimir Putin's plan for a quick and overwhelming victory. They were also witnesses to its failure.
The western media called it a convoy. In reality, it was a traffic jam and a major tactical blunder. Forty-eight hours after that first satellite photograph, on 28 February 2022, the line of vehicles had grown to a colossal 35 miles (56 km) long. The vehicles were stalled for weeks. Then finally they retreated, and seemingly disappeared overnight.

Someone "essentially capitulated". That someone wasn't Ukrainian.

 

[bilby]

And we are winning and you are losing.

 

[bilby]

Europe need to think about exit strategy.
So far it seems that they plan rearmament and then WW3 in 10 years it seems.
I don't see how are they going to do that.
Trump has 4 years, and even US neocons accept reality that there is now 3 power in the world - US, China and Russia. And US should abandon Europe and concentrate on what's naturally their sphere - North and Latin America.

You know, despite Russian insistence on clinging to the "imperial powers" model of geopolitics, the rest of the world has moved past that. It's not 1914 anymore, and hasn't been for over 110 years. It's time to revise your strategy to match the realities of your environment, because the only alternative leads to the nuclear destruction of Moscow, and likely of many other cities worldwide.

That seems like an excessive price to pay for the right to pretend the Tsarist empire of the nineteenth century is still relevant.

 

[robnisch]

According to BBC the drones were smuggled in to Russia in wooden "cabins".

 

[barbos]

Europe need to think about exit strategy.
So far it seems that they plan rearmament and then WW3 in 10 years it seems.
I don't see how are they going to do that.
Trump has 4 years, and even US neocons accept reality that there is now 3 power in the world - US, China and Russia. And US should abandon Europe and concentrate on what's naturally their sphere - North and Latin America.

You want Europe to exit from what? Europe does need to dramatically increase it's defense efforts or else Russian will invade.

From helping nazi terrorists

Those "terrorists" just bombed the shit out of a Russian military airbase on Russian soil and destroyed dozens of bombers.

Russia needs to think about an exit strategy.

And?
Does not make them less terrorists.

 

[barbos]

You know, despite Russian insistence on clinging to the "imperial powers" model of geopolitics, the rest of the world has moved past that.

US/EU clings on imperial power. Russia is merely defending itself.

 

[barbos]

Europe need to think about exit strategy.
So far it seems that they plan rearmament and then WW3 in 10 years it seems.
I don't see how are they going to do that.
Trump has 4 years, and even US neocons accept reality that there is now 3 power in the world - US, China and Russia. And US should abandon Europe and concentrate on what's naturally their sphere - North and Latin America.

You want Europe to exit from what? Europe does need to dramatically increase it's defense efforts or else Russian will invade.

From helping nazi terrorists

Most of those countries are rivals to Ukraine and at times bitter enemies. But they are united in a goal to stop Russian imperialism. If Ukraine falls, others will follow. Putin's actions have united Europe and expanded Nato. Good job!

No, nobody is united in EU/NATO.

 

[barbos]

Europe need to think about exit strategy.
So far it seems that they plan rearmament and then WW3 in 10 years it seems.
I don't see how are they going to do that.
Trump has 4 years, and even US neocons accept reality that there is now 3 power in the world - US, China and Russia. And US should abandon Europe and concentrate on what's naturally their sphere - North and Latin America.

You want Europe to exit from what? Europe does need to dramatically increase it's defense efforts or else Russian will invade.

From helping nazi terrorists

Those "terrorists" just bombed the shit out of a Russian military airbase on Russian soil and destroyed dozens of bombers.

Russia needs to think about an exit strategy.

According to Newsweek they destroyed 30 bombers in Russia!

No, 3000!

 

[ZiprHead]

Europe need to think about exit strategy.
So far it seems that they plan rearmament and then WW3 in 10 years it seems.
I don't see how are they going to do that.
Trump has 4 years, and even US neocons accept reality that there is now 3 power in the world - US, China and Russia. And US should abandon Europe and concentrate on what's naturally their sphere - North and Latin America.

You want Europe to exit from what? Europe does need to dramatically increase it's defense efforts or else Russian will invade.

From helping nazi terrorists

Those "terrorists" just bombed the shit out of a Russian military airbase on Russian soil and destroyed dozens of bombers.

Russia needs to think about an exit strategy.

According to Newsweek they destroyed 30 bombers in Russia!

No, 3000!

Jealous?

 

[bilby]

You know, despite Russian insistence on clinging to the "imperial powers" model of geopolitics, the rest of the world has moved past that.

US/EU clings on imperial power. Russia is merely defending itself.

Do you genuinely believe that? I used to think you were at least moderately intelligent, but both of those claims are so radically opposed to factual as to beggar belief.

The US has never been very effective in her attempts to be an old-school imperial power, and her rising military power, coupled with her incompetence as a colonial power, has contributed significantly to the post Great War collapse of Great Power imperialism.

The EU isn't even the kind of thing that could be an imperial Great Power, largely because it has even greater autonomy for is member states than does the USA.

And sending tanks and soldiers across the border into a neighbouring country is the exact antithesis of a nation "defending itself". It's a pathetic excuse for agression, despite its popularity amongst despots and tyrants for thousands of years.

 

[barbos]

Do you genuinely believe that?

If I can't believe Boris Johnson then I can't believe anything.
Yes, I genuinely believe that. And you believe that too. EU leadership certainly believes that.

 

[barbos]

The US has never been very effective in her attempts to be an old-school imperial power,

Old school? I see you actually believe what I believe too.

 

[barbos]

And sending tanks and soldiers across the border into a neighbouring country is the exact antithesis of a nation "defending itself".

Actually not. Not to mention that US does that all the time.

 

[TomC]

And sending tanks and soldiers across the border into a neighbouring country is the exact antithesis of a nation "defending itself".

Actually not. Not to mention that US does that all the time.

Actually, the last time the USA did that was over 20 years ago and it worked out about as well as Russia invading Ukraine is working out.

Three years into the USA invasion of Iraq, even hardcore US supporters were realizing what a disaster it was. Despite the ongoing reports from the semi-official news agency, Fox, about how well it was going and how soon we would win.
Tom

 

[SLD]

Former US diplomat, old but short discussion
Makes a point for full defeat of Ukraine.

I agree, Russia should start striking targets in Germany France and Great Britain.
Maybe idiot-voters there will finally feel that they need to elect normal people.

Yes. I’m sure that will exactly be the result. They won’t strike back. Go ahead. You do that.

Who are they? The West?

Germany, France, or Great Britain. Trust me, they won’t do shit. In fact they’ll likely just surrender.