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But the Palestinians are all Jewish decendents as well.
I agree that some Palestinians are descendants of ancient Jews. But the random Arabs who settled in the area more recently, especially in the late 19th century and first half of 20th century, bear no genetic or historic relationship with the land or its people.

As Fathi Hamad of Hamas said:
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He is only exaggerating a little. There are also Syrians and Yemenis.
 
But the Palestinians are all Jewish decendents as well.
I agree that some Palestinians are descendants of ancient Jews. But the random Arabs who settled in the area more recently, especially in the late 19th century and first half of 20th century, bear no genetic or historic relationship with the land or its people.

As Fathi Hamad of Hamas said:
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He is only exaggerating a little. There are also Syrians and Yemenis.

Modern Judaism is a medeival intvention. Or rather... it's a very different religion that Christianity. And since we in the west use Christianity as a template for any religion we are prone to misunderstand how Judaism is different. Christians are obsessed about worshipping God correctly. It's a top down relationship to God. God tells us the rules and it's up to us to obey. In Judaism it's more of a teacher /student relationship. God guides humans to be better people. But all the actions taken by humans (Jews or otherwise) it's all humans doing it. The Jewish God wants his people to think for themselves and question God. An extremely important difference to understand is the difference between the Bible and the Torah. The Christian Bible was (as the myth says) created once and then hasn't been changed. While the Jews never stopped adding to the Torah. Writing the Jewish sacred text is still an ongoing project. Allowing Judaism to evolve and change is an important part of Judaism. Which sets is radically apart from Christianity. If you understand that, then it becomes easier to undertand the religious variety in the levant. and the kind of intellectual tradition that later gave birth to Islam.

All religions in the Levant around 2000 BC to 0 AD were all slight variations of the same (pagan) religion. Samaritanism still exists (in Israel). It's a distinct religion that goes back just as far back as Judaism. It's alsmost the same religion. Almost. All of the middle east was like this back then.

Modern mainstream Judaism goes back to Maimonides (1138 AD). Except Orthodox Judaism. Orthodox Judaism started in the 17 hundreds by people like Moses Sofer. Ie, it's the youngest of all forms of Judaism.

Mohammed thought he was Jewish all the way up until he died. Fun fact... he probably didn't know the difference between Christianity and Judaism. Why? Because people didn't back then. These identity's and ideologies were way to mixed and vague to be easily separated. The Quran didn't start getting written until amost a century after Mohammed died. And became a tool with which the Arab overlords could separate themselves from the people they were trying to control.

My point is that separating Jews from Palestinians is a modern fantasy. It's using old myths to beat eachother over the head with. It's anachronistic and silly.

Palestinians are Jews. And Jews are Palestinians. They might not like to acknowledge it... but that's just the reality of it.




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And now apparently the Jews control the weather. Those dastardly Jews
I have no idea what that means.
It's Greta Thunberg, if that helps you connect the dots.
Spell it out for us.
Prolly it's those darned space lasers.
Tom

Could be.

Or it could be someone is trying to smear someone by bullshitting about what they say or do, with the end result that they are the source of the stupidity they claim others are spouting.
 
I think the comment has something to do with this, but I am not sure how it transformed into space lasers.

 
Palestinian kids are dying every day from malnutition.

When I watch Putin and Netanyahu speak I see two stone cold men enacting willful destruction of a people and culture with no empathy for the innocent and defenseless.

When I look at Netanyahu and Israel right now I see what one country and man are doing to defenseless people. Looking at the size of Gaza with no escape for Palestinians it is shooting fish in a barrel. That Netanyahu and Israel are Jewish is irrelevant, it is about actions.

Palestinians have long been dehumanized by Israel and our mainstream media. All Palestinians are blood thirsty terrorists. Israeli abuses ignored.

Palestinians are done as a people.
 
Palestinian kids are dying every day from malnutition.

When I watch Putin and Netanyahu speak I see two stone cold men enacting willful destruction of a people and culture with no empathy for the innocent and defenseless.

When I look at Netanyahu and Israel right now I see what one country and man are doing to defenseless people. Looking at the size of Gaza with no escape for Palestinians it is shooting fish in a barrel. That Netanyahu and Israel are Jewish is irrelevant, it is about actions.

Palestinians have long been dehumanized by Israel and our mainstream media. All Palestinians are blood thirsty terrorists. Israeli abuses ignored.

Palestinians are done as a people.

Hamas is still holding the hostages. Why do you think that is?

Hamas is trying to prevent Israel from distributing aid to Palestinians? Why do think that is?

The Palestinians need to turn on Hamas. Its absolutely necessary for there to be any hope for peace. Israel shouldn’t ans can’t tolerate a neighbouring state run by something like Hamas
 
Palestinian kids are dying every day from malnutition.

When I watch Putin and Netanyahu speak I see two stone cold men enacting willful destruction of a people and culture with no empathy for the innocent and defenseless.

When I look at Netanyahu and Israel right now I see what one country and man are doing to defenseless people. Looking at the size of Gaza with no escape for Palestinians it is shooting fish in a barrel. That Netanyahu and Israel are Jewish is irrelevant, it is about actions.

Palestinians have long been dehumanized by Israel and our mainstream media. All Palestinians are blood thirsty terrorists. Israeli abuses ignored.

Palestinians are done as a people.

Hamas is still holding the hostages. Why do you think that is?

Hamas is trying to prevent Israel from distributing aid to Palestinians? Why do think that is?

The Palestinians need to turn on Hamas. Its absolutely necessary for there to be any hope for peace. Israel shouldn’t ans can’t tolerate a neighbouring state run by something like Hamas
Israel in some ways is a police state. There is no habeas corpus for Palestinians. Anyone deemed a threat can and do di8ssappear into detention.

Israel has long been known for for extrajudicial actions. Assassinations.

If someone is deemed a terrorist the home is bombed family and al, preordaining the war.

When children are killed in a bombing today Israel says were attacking a threat

Israel has created the violence against it from the start by seizing land, contused today by the Israeli announcement of new illegal settlements in the west bank..

The recent announcement of new settlements ade it clear, Israel says it has a god given right to the wet bank. Zionism. If it were a uslim co0untry quoting the Koran we'd be all over it.

They keep screwing Palestinians and when they fight back Israel plays the innocent victmi of terrorists.

During the British Mandate Jews did what Hams does. Run the weapons blockade, manufacture weapons. There were atrocities on both Jewish and Arab sides.
 
Israel in some ways is a police state. There is no habeas corpus for Palestinians. Anyone deemed a threat can and do di8ssappear into detention.
"Habeas corpus" is a feature of US law anyway. Why would you expect a judiciary of a foreign country to have the same concept?
But in Israel even administrative detention requires a judge to review the evidence. And most Palestinian prisoners have either been convicted of crimes or are awaiting trial.
Israel has long been known for for extrajudicial actions. Assassinations.
And why not? It's not like the likes of the Brothers Sinwar, Ismail Haniyeh or Hassan Nasrallah could be arrested and brought to justice any more than, say, Anwar al-Alwaki, a de jure US citzen who was droned by the US under Obama.
The recent announcement of new settlements ade it clear, Israel says it has a god given right to the wet bank. Zionism. If it were a uslim co0untry quoting the Koran we'd be all over it.
1. How wet the bank is surely depends on the level of the Jordan.
2. There is a historical connection between the Jewish people and the lands of Judea and Samaria. No gods required. As I mention frequently, the last time the Land of Israel was governed natively (and not by a foreign empire) before the modern State of Israel was founded was the Hasmonean Kingdom of Israel (140 BCE - 37 CE).
3. The Muslim claim to the city of Jerusalem (which they call "al-Quds") is entirely predicted on an interpretation of an alleged dream by Mohammed recorded in the Quran. And yet the Arab/Muslim claim to Jerusalem (and by extension the entirety of the Land of Israel) is taken seriously by many.
They keep screwing Palestinians and when they fight back Israel plays the innocent victmi of terrorists.
Slaughtering 1,200 people like on 10/7 is not "fighting back". Neither is shooting rockets at Israeli cities. Neither is suicide bombers blowing themseleves and dozens of innocent bystanders on buses, or in cafes and restaurants. What are you talking about?
During the British Mandate Jews did what Hams does. Run the weapons blockade, manufacture weapons. There were atrocities on both Jewish and Arab sides.
They never blew up London cafes or double decker buses. Oh wait, that's still Muslims (like in 2007). I guess they were "fighting back" too. :rolleyesa:
 
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Palestinian kids are dying every day from malnutition.

When I watch Putin and Netanyahu speak I see two stone cold men enacting willful destruction of a people and culture with no empathy for the innocent and defenseless.

When I look at Netanyahu and Israel right now I see what one country and man are doing to defenseless people. Looking at the size of Gaza with no escape for Palestinians it is shooting fish in a barrel. That Netanyahu and Israel are Jewish is irrelevant, it is about actions.

Palestinians have long been dehumanized by Israel and our mainstream media. All Palestinians are blood thirsty terrorists. Israeli abuses ignored.

Palestinians are done as a people.

Hamas is still holding the hostages. Why do you think that is?

Hamas is trying to prevent Israel from distributing aid to Palestinians? Why do think that is?

The Palestinians need to turn on Hamas. Its absolutely necessary for there to be any hope for peace. Israel shouldn’t ans can’t tolerate a neighbouring state run by something like Hamas
Israel in some ways is a police state. There is no habeas corpus for Palestinians. Anyone deemed a threat can and do di8ssappear into detention.

While true. The amount of violent attacks by Palestinians on Israelis has been an ever ongoing problem. For decades.

And Hanas... not only have they failed Palestinians from attacking Israeli targets, have been actively encouraging it. With neighbours like that the response of Israel is justified imho.

Until the government of Gaza decides to be good neighbours Israel is justified in extreme measures, imho


Israel has long been known for for extrajudicial actions. Assassinations.

Sure. But again... extraordinary circumstances. And their attacks aren't indiscriminate (as opposed to Hamas).

Like it or not, Israel is showing restraint.

If someone is deemed a terrorist the home is bombed family and al, preordaining the war.

When children are killed in a bombing today Israel says were attacking a threat

Israel has created the violence against it from the start by seizing land, contused today by the Israeli announcement of new illegal settlements in the west bank..

Wait a minute. Israel took that land fair and square in the sex days war. They've been super nice about letting Palestinians stay there (who arguably were the enemy force).

Now you are trying to twist Israeli graciousness into thievery

I understand if there's voices within Israel who don't give a fuck about being well behaved anymore. There's so much antisemitism in the world Jews get shit no matter what they do.

You have double standards


The recent announcement of new settlements ade it clear, Israel says it has a god given right to the wet bank. Zionism. If it were a uslim co0untry quoting the Koran we'd be all over it.

They also won the six day war. So there’s that

They keep screwing Palestinians and when they fight back Israel plays the innocent victmi of terrorists.

That's just bullshit. Its more like the Palestinians are unwilling to accept they are no longer the Jewish overlords. They have an absurd and delusional national narrative. Which continually creates conflict.


During the British Mandate Jews did what Hams does. Run the weapons blockade, manufacture weapons. There were atrocities on both Jewish and Arab sides.

No. Yes, Hagganah were terrorists. But they didn't do what Hamas does. Don't even try to compare them. Hamas is so extreme. Its on a whole different level
 
Would someone please ask DrZoidberg at what time were the Palestinians overlords of the Jews?

If he's talking about the 4 centuries preceding the British Mandate for Palestine, the overlords were Turks. Palestinian Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Druze were all under their rule.

If he's talking about pre-Ottoman Empire times, he's talking out of his ass. The Mamluks were Turks, Caucasians, and Europeans, not native to Palestine, and before them the Crusaders controlled the region.
 
While true. The amount of violent attacks by Palestinians on Israelis has been an ever ongoing problem. For decades.
The amount of violent attacks by Israelis on Palestinians has been an ever ongoing problem. For decades. Also true.
 

The antisemitic filter is strong in the press today

Lately just been skipping this thread lately because of all the revolting posts condoning Israeli genocide. Skimmed through some posts today and what did pop out to my eye?

What a surprise, the good doctor continuing his sleazy slurs against all those opposed to Israeli genocide as antisemitic.
 
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