We live in the age of fraudulence

[Colonel Sanders]

If I take "with college degree" in polling data at face value, plenty of presumed well educated people still voted for Trump. Why is that?

I've spoken my peace on this issue. The only thing I'll repeat is that the Dems have driven away millions of voters and continue to do so.

Anyway, I attribute the Trump phenomenon as a reading issue. IOW, people don't read books. To say they have a shallow understanding of the issues is an insult to the word "shallow."

These people don't know history, political philosophy, or even what's in their own best interests. It's a long winded way to say that most of them are ignoramuses.

So why did all these morons start voting? I blame it on the internet. They can read a headline, a short but bombastic article, watch pundits on Fox, and then believe they know things. It's a majority age coloring book for kids who've been held back three years in elementary school.

Maybe it’s not that Democrats have driven away millions of voters, but millions of voters have fled to Trump because .., they are ignoramuses, for reasons that you cite among others?

Not that Dems are all that hot, but the idea that Trump offers a better alternative is to laugh in order to keep from crying.

The way I see it, the Dems lost to Trump twice. How awful must the Dems be to have that happen???

I'll guesstimate that about 80% of those who voted for Trump are irredeemable morons. Those are people you can't sway. So the goal, assuming we have real elections ever again, is to get back half of the people that can be gotten back.

The question is how to do that. I'll give the Dems a good start: stop doing what you're doing to drive away voters. Pay attention to what the largest demographic groups are concerned with and align with social policy that appeals to them.

And dammit, quit taking swing states for granted. Nobody need be worried about California, New York, Illinois, etc. Make a quick pit stop at those places and get the hell back to the swing states. Live there. Listen to them.

And goddammit, find someone with the charisma to win a fucking POTUS election. As long as they're not a Republican, I don't give a damn.

Run Homer Simpson. At least he'll be too frightened and awestruck by the position to do anything but ask Lisa and Marge to find smart people to make decisions. Hell, I'd take Bart at this point.

 

[barbos]

So now we can check out everything we read. We do not have to take what one news source says as gospel.

It does not help if you are an idiot.
For example, you are still believing in RussiaGate and that Biden is not senile.

Some people believe the Kerch Bridge is safe to drive over.

Some people support Nazi and Islamic terrorists

Not would be you,

No, that would be you clapping to Yaroslav Hunka and supporting Kiev Regime.

at least in the case of the former. Also, Islam is not a terrorist organization.

And islamic terrorists are islamic terrorists.

 

[barbos]

You are just noticing it?
You have been living in that since forever.
The whole unholy union of "democracy" and capitalism is built on that.

Lol, democracy has nothing to do with it. Orwell, originally a supporter of communism, noticed the frauds of the soviet version and spoke powefully against them. Your fascist authoritarian state literally arrests and kills truth tellers. The US is still a ways away from that point (although sliding towards it).

No, your Regime does that. Your regime assassinates journalists in Russia.

Darya Dugina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And lies about it.
And you believe that.

 

[Axulus]

You are just noticing it?
You have been living in that since forever.
The whole unholy union of "democracy" and capitalism is built on that.

Lol, democracy has nothing to do with it. Orwell, originally a supporter of communism, noticed the frauds of the soviet version and spoke powefully against them. Your fascist authoritarian state literally arrests and kills truth tellers. The US is still a ways away from that point (although sliding towards it).

No, your Regime does that. Your regime assassinates journalists in Russia.

Darya Dugina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And lies about it.
And you believe that.

What in the actual fuck does this have to do with what I said? So the most plausible story is that Ukraine carried out her assassination. The same Ukraine that had been invaded in 2014 and territory stolen by an evil facist neighbor who wishes to genocide your population. Fuck around find out. What are you actually going off about here?

 

[barbos]

What in the actual fuck does this have to do with what I said? So the most plausible story is that Ukraine carried out her assassination.

The fuck it has to do is the following: You started this becasue of Trump, completely missing that democrats are not much better, if not actually worse becasue they they are more covert in their shit. Democrats installed ISIS regime in Syria, Democrats lied about RussiaGate, democrats installed nazi regime in Ukraine and started war with Russia, Democrats and their Media covered the fact that Biden is senile. Having said that, Trump is a stupid piece of shit too.

 

[barbos]

The same Ukraine that had been invaded in 2014 and territory stolen by an evil facist neighbor who wishes to genocide your population.

You see, that's what I am talking about - democrat's lies.

 

[RVonse]

If I take "with college degree" in polling data at face value, plenty of presumed well educated people still voted for Trump. Why is that?

These people don't know history, political philosophy, or even what's in their own best interests. It's a long winded way to say that most of them are ignoramuses.

I might buy a huge block of US voters being ignorant and stupid but I still can not accept that they are voting against their best interests. Even unintelligent animals know what their best interests are and it is arrogant and condescending to say otherwise. My pet cat knows whether it is better or worse off after 3 election cycles and those "stupid and ignorant" who voted for Trump were people who did and do also. People might be stupid electing the wrong person for 1 election cycle but not after this amount of time has passed for their reality to set in.

If the Democrats want to win they need to be better than MAGA and they simply need to change who they are and stop "whining about Trump".

Or better yet a non corrupt 3rd party needs to take over from the completely corrupted uni-parties we have today.

 

[jonatha]

So the goal, assuming we have real elections ever again, is to get back half of the people that can be gotten back.

I'd say the goal is to get the majority of people who didn't vote at all off their asses...

 

[RVonse]

After reading the New Yorker profile of Curtis Yarvin, it is more clear to me than ever that we live in the age of fraud. The ultimate crisis we are experiencing is one of epistomology: a majority of people are unable to distinguish bullshit and propaganda from established science and fact.

Most of us have to depend on others to know what "the truth is". We have to depend on others because we do not have infinite time resources to know first hand for ourselves. And when we do depend on others there is always the opportunity to be scammed.

Actually finding the truth is extremely difficult to come by. If finding the truth was so easy that any intelligent person would know, we would not need courts to find judgement for defendants accused of crime.

 

[jonatha]

I might buy a huge block of US voters being ignorant and stupid but I still can not accept that they are voting against their best interests.

IIRC a majority when polled said their personal economy was fine, but that the economy overall sucked.

It's hard to know what your best interests are when you accept lies about the state of reality...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

After reading the New Yorker profile of Curtis Yarvin, it is more clear to me than ever that we live in the age of fraud. The ultimate crisis we are experiencing is one of epistomology: a majority of people are unable to distinguish bullshit and propaganda from established science and fact.

Most of us have to depend on others to know what "the truth is". We have to depend on others because we do not have infinite time resources to know first hand for ourselves. And when we do depend on others there is always the opportunity to be scammed.

Actually finding the truth is extremely difficult to come by. If finding the truth was so easy that any intelligent person would know, we would not need courts to find judgement for defendants accused of crime.

History has shown you believe what you want to believe. When someone demonstrates otherwise, you thank them for bringing to your attention, you disappear, and then come back with the same preconceptions. So please, don't say that it is too hard to know what is going on.

 

[TV and credit cards]

If I take "with college degree" in polling data at face value, plenty of presumed well educated people still voted for Trump. Why is that?

These people don't know history, political philosophy, or even what's in their own best interests. It's a long winded way to say that most of them are ignoramuses.

I might buy a huge block of US voters being ignorant and stupid but I still can not accept that they are voting against their best interests. Even unintelligent animals know what their best interests are and it is arrogant and condescending to say otherwise. My pet cat knows whether it is better or worse off after 3 election cycles and those "stupid and ignorant" who voted for Trump were people who did and do also. People might be stupid electing the wrong person for 1 election cycle but not after this amount of time has passed for their reality to set in.

If the Democrats want to win they need to be better than MAGA and they simply need to change who they are and stop "whining about Trump".

Or better yet a non corrupt 3rd party needs to take over from the completely corrupted uni-parties we have today.

I believe people are acting in what they see as their own "best interests". But we are not "unintelligent animals". We are capable humans living in a community. We should know that all within our community deserve to have some basic needs met, some minimum level of comfort before our own individual interests that are above and beyond are met. Ascend. Put the community before the individual.

My take on college degrees is how many of them were actually earned? Are many degreed people every bit as ignorant as the non-degree polling group? How many students were permitted to "phone it in" on classes outside their major? How many teachers accepted papers that had absolutely nothing to do with the assignment?
Both myself and my daughter have seen evidence that would support this.

So the goal, assuming we have real elections ever again, is to get back half of the people that can be gotten back.

I'd say the goal is to get the majority of people who didn't vote at all off their asses...

How? Obviously putting an abhorrent ignorant fuck like Trump on the ticket doesn't scare people into voting. Then what? Short of suggesting some legislation that doesn't have a snowball's chance of becoming law.

 

[Elixir]

finding the truth is extremely difficult to come by

True, if you have been swallowing lethal doses of RW lies for years.
Anyone with the slightest portal to the truth would never have voted for a career criminal rapist and fraudster.
Following years of total immersion in Trumpism fantasy, truth does indeed become “difficult to come by”.
You, Vonse, are a perfect example of the durability of delusion, which depends upon the constant reinforcement of regular exposure to RW media distortions.

 

[Elixir]

Obviously putting an abhorrent ignorant fuck like Trump on the ticket doesn't scare people into voting. Then what? Short of suggesting some legislation that doesn't have a snowball's chance of becoming law.

Making voting “mandatory” like Au, would help immeasurably. Of course the idea would get shot down, but introducing it might soften the ground for the future.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Obviously putting an abhorrent ignorant fuck like Trump on the ticket doesn't scare people into voting. Then what? Short of suggesting some legislation that doesn't have a snowball's chance of becoming law.

Making voting “mandatory” like Au, would help immeasurably. Of course the idea would get shot down, but introducing it might soften the ground for the future.

I like the idea, but it would extremely difficult to enforce. If 50,000,000 choose not to vote, what's the government going to do about it?

Maybe more importantly, a non-vote can be a form of protest. To disallow it would be a 1st Amendment violation.

I'd rather people who refuse to take or can't pass a basic civics exam not be allowed to vote, but that would come with the same problems outlined above.

 

[ZiprHead]

If 50,000,000 choose not to vote, what's the government going to do about it?

Fine enforced through taxes.

 

[Playball40]

If I take "with college degree" in polling data at face value, plenty of presumed well educated people still voted for Trump. Why is that?

I've spoken my peace on this issue. The only thing I'll repeat is that the Dems have driven away millions of voters and continue to do so.

Anyway, I attribute the Trump phenomenon as a reading issue. IOW, people don't read books. To say they have a shallow understanding of the issues is an insult to the word "shallow."

These people don't know history, political philosophy, or even what's in their own best interests. It's a long winded way to say that most of them are ignoramuses.

So why did all these morons start voting? I blame it on the internet. They can read a headline, a short but bombastic article, watch pundits on Fox, and then believe they know things. It's a majority age coloring book for kids who've been held back three years in elementary school.

I don't think they care. They care more about being racist, misogynists, LGBTQhaters than their own financial well-being. I don't believe these people were brainwashed, but rather beholden. I'm not sorry to say it out loud anymore - if you support DJT, you're a vile, disgusting excuse for a human being. I'm not making excuses for them anymore.

 

[Playball40]

You are just noticing it?
You have been living in that since forever.
The whole unholy union of "democracy" and capitalism is built on that.

Lol, democracy has nothing to do with it. Orwell, originally a supporter of communism, noticed the frauds of the soviet version and spoke powefully against them. Your fascist authoritarian state literally arrests and kills truth tellers. The US is still a ways away from that point (although sliding towards it).

Orwell never supported communism/stalinism. He was a democratic socialist.

 

[Playball40]

If I take "with college degree" in polling data at face value, plenty of presumed well educated people still voted for Trump. Why is that?

I've spoken my peace on this issue. The only thing I'll repeat is that the Dems have driven away millions of voters and continue to do so.

Anyway, I attribute the Trump phenomenon as a reading issue. IOW, people don't read books. To say they have a shallow understanding of the issues is an insult to the word "shallow."

These people don't know history, political philosophy, or even what's in their own best interests. It's a long winded way to say that most of them are ignoramuses.

So why did all these morons start voting? I blame it on the internet. They can read a headline, a short but bombastic article, watch pundits on Fox, and then believe they know things. It's a majority age coloring book for kids who've been held back three years in elementary school.

Maybe it’s not that Democrats have driven away millions of voters, but millions of voters have fled to Trump because .., they are ignoramuses, for reasons that you cite among others?

Not that Dems are all that hot, but the idea that Trump offers a better alternative is to laugh in order to keep from crying.

The way I see it, the Dems lost to Trump twice. How awful must the Dems be to have that happen???

I'll guesstimate that about 80% of those who voted for Trump are irredeemable morons. Those are people you can't sway. So the goal, assuming we have real elections ever again, is to get back half of the people that can be gotten back.

The question is how to do that. I'll give the Dems a good start: stop doing what you're doing to drive away voters. Pay attention to what the largest demographic groups are concerned with and align with social policy that appeals to them.

And dammit, quit taking swing states for granted. Nobody need be worried about California, New York, Illinois, etc. Make a quick pit stop at those places and get the hell back to the swing states. Live there. Listen to them.

And goddammit, find someone with the charisma to win a fucking POTUS election. As long as they're not a Republican, I don't give a damn.

Run Homer Simpson. At least he'll be too frightened and awestruck by the position to do anything but ask Lisa and Marge to find smart people to make decisions. Hell, I'd take Bart at this point.

I don't think they 'lost' at all. I don't believe for one second that election was legitimate - and I suspect Musk's cronies were quite useful to that end.

 

[RVonse]

After reading the New Yorker profile of Curtis Yarvin, it is more clear to me than ever that we live in the age of fraud. The ultimate crisis we are experiencing is one of epistomology: a majority of people are unable to distinguish bullshit and propaganda from established science and fact.

Most of us have to depend on others to know what "the truth is". We have to depend on others because we do not have infinite time resources to know first hand for ourselves. And when we do depend on others there is always the opportunity to be scammed.

Actually finding the truth is extremely difficult to come by. If finding the truth was so easy that any intelligent person would know, we would not need courts to find judgement for defendants accused of crime.

History has shown you believe what you want to believe. When someone demonstrates otherwise, you thank them for bringing to your attention, you disappear, and then come back with the same preconceptions. So please, don't say that it is too hard to know what is going on.

So you think you know the absolute unimpeachable truth and everything possible because you are so smart and intelligent? Tell us all for certain what happened during the JFK assassination. Tell us all whether Epstine was killed or killed himself. Then tell us all (since you are the all knowing God) just exactly how the Egyptians built the pyramids.