How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

That depends how shitty the Soviet manufacturing process was in the first place. If a fire has occurred close to the main spar (which it has)

Planes are 70 years old. I think they were well constructed.
Fire while impressive does not mean it spread beyond engines.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Some ranking officials say ALL planes will be repaired.
I have not seen any evidence of total destruction.
Drones don't have much explosives so most damage is due to fire. if it was contained then I see no reason to doubt that claim.

That depends how shitty the Soviet manufacturing process was in the first place. If a fire has occurred close to the main spar (which it has), and if that main spar was made from heat treated high strength alloy (which it should have been), then those planes are never going to be airworthy again.

Yeah. This is the big downside to heat treated frames.

 

[barbos]

Talk is cheap. Strategic Airborne Cruise Missile Carrier Aircraft are both expensive, and complex.

And? As I said earlier, the only reason they were not retired is becasue we have a lot of very old and large missiles which were designed to be launched from this aircraft.
Modern cruise missiles do not use this aircraft.
We can have these missiles used on Kiev in a month and be done with it.
Planes will go to museums and scrap metal.

 

[bilby]

Russia might, with great difficulty, manage to launch a similar attack against USAF assets. But what good would that do them?

Some say it would make scum to think twice about conducting terrorist acts on Russia's soil.

Then "some" are fucking idiots with zero knowlege of history.

Literally no powerful enemy has been made less likely to strike as a result of an attack against them, ever, in the history of warfare.

Imperial Japan thought that sinking the US Pacific Fleet would make Americans think twice about interfering in Japanese expansion in South East Asia.

Germany thought that bombing British cities would make the British think twice about invading Festung Europa.

Bomber Harris thought that obliterating German cities would make Germany more likely to surrender, or at least make ordinary Germans hate their government - but it had the opposite effect.

Did the Ukraine attack on your nation's strategic bombers make you think that Russia should be more careful not to annoy Ukraine in future? No?

Then why would you expect the opposite result when the roles are reversed?

It literally never works that way. Ever.

 

[steve_bank]

And in WWII Canada and the USA sent supplies to Russia across the North Atlantic.

Stalin acknowledged the importance and paid compensation after the war.

And around the 1920s the USA and the west provided aide during a Russian famine, possibly saving the Russian revolution. Hows that for irony.

What has Russia ever done for anemone?

 

[barbos]

Literally no powerful enemy has been made less likely to strike as a result of an attack against them, ever, in the history of warfare.

But we are as powerfull as you are.
And the reason we have this shit happens is because we did not strike back when we should have.
Putin made a mistake of being soft on US/UK conducting terrorist acts through its nazi proxies.

 

[barbos]

What has Russia ever done for anemone?

We helped you in Afghanistan 2001 invasion.
And we actually defeated and saved Europe from the nazis.
You repaid us with war you started in Ukraine.

 

[bilby]

Literally no powerful enemy has been made less likely to strike as a result of an attack against them, ever, in the history of warfare.

But we are as powerfull as you are.

So? Even if that were true, it doesn't change a single thing in what I said; It's completely irrelevant.

And the reason we have this shit happens is because we did not strike back when we should have.

The reason that shit happened is that you attacked and invaded a neighbour. FAFO.

Putin made a mistake of being soft on US/UK conducting terrorist acts through its nazi proxies.

You are insane if you believe any of that.

Putin is demonstrably insane anyway.

As I said. Have a go, if you think you're hard enough.

A direct attack on the USA by Russia would mean the end of Putin, and likely the near annihilation of Russia.

It might also lead to the annihilation of the USA, but that's not going to be a big consolation to Putin's smouldering corpse.

 

[steve_bank]

Lend-Lease - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Brits got the most US aid, Russia was second.

For example, the USSR was very dependent on rail transport, and starting during the latter half of the 1920s[38] but accelerating during the 1930s, hundreds of foreign industrial giants such as Ford were commissioned to construct modern dual-purpose factories in the USSR, 16 alone within a week of May 31, 1929.[39] However, with the outbreak of war these plants switched from civilian to military production, and locomotive production dropped dramatically. Just 446 locomotives were produced during the war,[40] with only 92 of those being built between 1942 and 1945.[41] In total, 92.7% of the wartime procurement of railroad equipment by the USSR came from Lend-Lease,[36] including 1,911 locomotives and 11,225 railcars.[42] Trucks were also vital; by 1945, nearly a third of the trucks used by the Red Army were U.S.-built. Trucks such as the Dodge 3⁄4-ton and Studebaker 2+1⁄2-ton were easily the best trucks available in their class on either side on the Eastern Front. American shipments of telephone cable, aluminum, canned rations and clothing were also critical.[43]

Lend-Lease also supplied significant amounts of weapons and ammunition. The Soviet air force received 18,200 aircraft, which amounted to about 30 percent of Soviet wartime fighter and bomber production over the course of the war.[36] Most tank units were Soviet-built models but about 7,000 Lend-Lease tanks (plus more than 5,000 British tanks) were used by the Red Army, eight percent of war-time production.

A critical aspect of Lend-Lease was the supply of food. The invasion had cost the USSR a huge amount of its agricultural base; during the initial Axis offensive of 1941–42,[specify] the total sown area of the USSR fell by 41.9% and the number of collective and state farms by 40%. The Soviets lost a substantial number of draft and farm animals as they were not able to relocate all the animals in an area before it was captured and of those areas in which the Axis forces would occupy, the Soviets had lost 7 million of out of 11.6 million horses, 17 million out of 31 million cows, 20 million of 23.6 million pigs and 27 million out of 43 million sheep and goats. Tens of thousands of agricultural machines, such as tractors and threshers, were destroyed or captured. Agriculture also suffered a loss of labour; between 1941 and 1945, 19.5 million working-age men had to leave their farms to work in the military and industry. Agricultural issues were also compounded when the Soviets were on the offensive, as areas liberated from the Axis had been devastated and contained millions of people who needed to be fed. Lend-Lease thus provided a massive quantity of foodstuffs and agricultural products.[clarification needed][44]

America's Gift to Famine Stricken Russia | American Experience | PBS

An American Relief Administration film tracks the path of food aid to the Soviet Union.

www.pbs.org

A 1923 American Relief Administration film, “America’s Gift to Famine Stricken Russia,” tracks the path of food aid to the Soviet Union, where citizens were suffering a third year of severe drought.

In these selected film clips, the ARA introduces important members of its staff and shows the variety of creative ways they delivered rice, lard, corn, grits, milk, sugar and cocoa to hundreds of villages. Carrying supplies by ship, train, horse, camel and on people’s own backs, the ARA fed up to 11 million people daily

 

[steve_bank]

What has Russia ever done for anemone?

We helped you in Afghanistan 2001 invasion.
And we actually defeated and saved Europe from the nazis.
You repaid us with war you started in Ukraine.

Russia was on the verge of defeat until the invasion of France, plus the day and night bombing of Germany by Brits and Americans.

Brits, Americans, Free French and others who got out of occupied Europe fought Germany from Africa through Italy and up.

The Brits, Australians, and Ame cans fought the Japanese in the Pacific.

The war in Russia was a relatively small part of the global war.

And again Stalin made a non aggression pact with Hitler in exchange for part of Poland and Finland I recall. Without that Hitler may not have started the war in the first place.

That is problem with Russia, we the Russians defeated Germany instead of we all who fought Germany.

Germany was one of the three Axis powers. We fought Italy, Germany, and Japan at the same time. While proving aid to Russia and the Brits..

 

[Ovazor]

You repaid us with war you started in Ukraine.

Be careful! Calling it a war can land you in a prison in Russia.

Besides, it was Russia who started the war in Ukraine.

 

[barbos]

 

[barbos]

The reason that shit happened is that you attacked and invaded a neighbour. FAFO.

Nope, You invaded Ukraine, installed Nazi regime and used them as a proxy in your war on Russia. This is all described in neocon papers.

 

[bilby]

The reason that shit happened is that you attacked and invaded a neighbour. FAFO.

Nope, You invaded Ukraine, installed Nazi regime and used them as a proxy in your war on Russia. This is all described in neocon papers.

Reality is real. The people who are invading a country are easy to spot; That country's army are shooting at them.

Russia invaded Ukraine. Your counterfactual propaganda nonsense isn't going to cut it with anyone who has eyes and ears.

Even if NATO or the USA or Australia or whoever the fuck you mean by "you" had a significant presence in Ukraine, it wouldn't be an invasion if they didn't have to shoot anyone, and didn't get shot at, in order to be there.

Words have meanings. Invasion isn't just whatever you want it to be to label others in some kind of schoolboy game of "I'm rubber, you're glue"; Invasion is what Russia did when their tanks tried to drive to Kyiv and got the shit shot out of them.

Fuck your imaginary "neocon papers". Fuck your propaganda lines. Fuck your armed forces, and fuck your illegal invasion and war, that has shown your army to be the pathetic, impotent and incompetent rabble they really are.

Putin dreams of the heyday of the USSR, but his insanity is frankly an embarrassment to the memory of that union.

 

[barbos]

Reality is real. The people who are invading a country are easy to spot

We did not invade, we intervened.
Your ridiculous obsession with word "invasion" is tiresome. Especially coming from the west.

 

[barbos]

Even if NATO or the USA or Australia or whoever the fuck you mean by "you" had a significant presence in Ukraine, it wouldn't be an invasion if they didn't have to shoot anyone, and didn't get shot at, in order to be there.

I don't give a flying fuck about technicalities.
You installed nazi regime in Kiev with explicit goal to provoke Russia.
So enjoy war you wanted so much.

 

[barbos]

Fuck your imaginary "neocon papers".

Imaginary ?
Fuck nazi shit you post here!
Rand Corporation is a terrorist organization.

 

[barbos]

 

[Ovazor]

Reality is real. The people who are invading a country are easy to spot

We did not invade, we intervened.
Your ridiculous obsession with word "invasion" is tiresome. Especially coming from the west.

Well, I could use "Illegal irredentist land grab" instead of "invasion".

 

[barbos]

Reality is real. The people who are invading a country are easy to spot

We did not invade, we intervened.
Your ridiculous obsession with word "invasion" is tiresome. Especially coming from the west.

Well, I could use "Illegal irredentist land grab" instead of "invasion".

It does not fucking matter.
As far as I am concerned Ukraine has no right to exist and the current government should be executed as war criminals.
Russia can not have terrorist regime on its border, period!