Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[DrZoidberg]

Hamas chose the path of war. Israel is entitled to do what it takes to remove the threat.

Even genocide or ethnic cleansing?

But its not. Just stop that nonsense. Its pretty distasteful. There are genuine genocides out there

Let's not dilute the term with sloppy use of the term

 

[TomC]

Hamas chose the path of war. Israel is entitled to do what it takes to remove the threat.

Even genocide or ethnic cleansing?

Hamas and their supporters are the ones trying desperately to use genocide and ethnic cleansing. It's a military tactic.
Another term for the tactic is "human shields".
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Hamas chose the path of war. Israel is entitled to do what it takes to remove the threat.

Even genocide or ethnic cleansing?

Hamas and their supporters are the ones trying desperately to use genocide and ethnic cleansing. It's a military tactic.
Another term for the tactic is "human shields".
Tom

In regards to the actual question, is that a "yes" or a "no" or just horseshit?

 

[TomC]

Hamas chose the path of war. Israel is entitled to do what it takes to remove the threat.

Even genocide or ethnic cleansing?

Hamas and their supporters are the ones trying desperately to use genocide and ethnic cleansing. It's a military tactic.
Another term for the tactic is "human shields".
Tom

In regards to the actual question, is that a "yes" or a "no" or just horseshit?

In regards to the actual question,
No. Neither is okay. But as long as Hamas and their supporters insist on continuing to do it, it's going to keep happening in Gaza.
Tom

 

[pood]

Hamas chose the path of war. Israel is entitled to do what it takes to remove the threat.

Even genocide or ethnic cleansing?

Hamas and their supporters are the ones trying desperately to use genocide and ethnic cleansing. It's a military tactic.
Another term for the tactic is "human shields".
Tom

In regards to the actual question, is that a "yes" or a "no" or just horseshit?

You read his answer. It’s just horseshit.

 

[laughing dog]

Hamas chose the path of war. Israel is entitled to do what it takes to remove the threat.

Even genocide or ethnic cleansing?

Hamas and their supporters are the ones trying desperately to use genocide and ethnic cleansing. It's a military tactic.
Another term for the tactic is "human shields".
Tom

In regards to the actual question, is that a "yes" or a "no" or just horseshit?

In regards to the actual question,
No. Neither is okay. But as long as Hamas and their supporters insist on continuing to do it, it's going to keep happening in Gaza.
Tom

Then you are contradicting yourself with the last sentence. Because Hamas is not engaging in ethnic cleansing or genocide in Gaza. They are giving the IDF and people like you the excuses to chose to do so.

 

[TomC]

Then you are contradicting yourself with the last sentence. Because Hamas is not engaging in ethnic cleansing or genocide in Gaza. They are giving the IDF and people like you the excuses to chose to do so.

Nope

The Gazans Who Matter are engaging in ethnic cleansing. There's no genocide.

But it clearly is the GWM who regularly use the Gazans Who Don't Matter as human shields. That's the huge war crime going on here.


And frankly, there are nearly as many Arabic Muslims who are Israeli citizens as there are Gazans. Pretending that it's Israel engaging in genocide is ridiculous. There's no genocide, although Hamas is clearly engaged in ethnic cleansing.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Then you are contradicting yourself with the last sentence. Because Hamas is not engaging in ethnic cleansing or genocide in Gaza. They are giving the IDF and people like you the excuses to chose to do so.

Nope

The Gazans Who Matter are engaging in ethnic cleansing. There's no genocide.

But it clearly is the GWM who regularly use the Gazans Who Don't Matter as human shields. That's the huge war crime going on here.


And frankly, there are nearly as many Arabic Muslims who are Israeli citizens as there are Gazans. Pretending that it's Israel engaging in genocide is ridiculous. There's no genocide, although Hamas is clearly engaged in ethnic cleansing.
Tom

You are spouting nonsense. I didn’t claim Israel is committing genocide. And you need to explain how Hamas is committing ethnic cleansing, because under the normal understanding of the term, your claim is delusional.

 

[ZiprHead]

Then you are contradicting yourself with the last sentence. Because Hamas is not engaging in ethnic cleansing or genocide in Gaza. They are giving the IDF and people like you the excuses to chose to do so.

Nope

The Gazans Who Matter are engaging in ethnic cleansing. There's no genocide.

But it clearly is the GWM who regularly use the Gazans Who Don't Matter as human shields. That's the huge war crime going on here.


And frankly, there are nearly as many Arabic Muslims who are Israeli citizens as there are Gazans. Pretending that it's Israel engaging in genocide is ridiculous. There's no genocide, although Hamas is clearly engaged in ethnic cleansing.
Tom

You are spouting nonsense. I didn’t claim Israel is committing genocide. And you need to explain how Hamas is committing ethnic cleansing, because under the normal understanding of the term, your claim is delusional.

Yup, it sounds like something Barbos would say about the Russia/Ukraine situation.

 

[ZiprHead]

Just reported that Israel has struck Iran.

I have mixed feelings.

 

[ImGod]

Just reported that Israel has struck Iran.

I have mixed feelings.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...test-news-trump-us-embassy-iraq-b2768585.html

Maybe we should get out of the war thing. Israel Gaza, Israel Iran, Iran Russia, Russia US, Ukraine NATO .... US Israel....

Who do we root for in WWIII?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Israel is again doing the free world's dirty work. It seems, more and more, to be the only democratic country with any balls left

Iran missiles cause multiple casualties after strikes in Israel

Strikes hit central and north Israel as the Israeli military carries out further attacks in Iran.

www.bbc.com

 

[DrZoidberg]

Just reported that Israel has struck Iran.

I have mixed feelings.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...test-news-trump-us-embassy-iraq-b2768585.html

Maybe we should get out of the war thing. Israel Gaza, Israel Iran, Iran Russia, Russia US, Ukraine NATO .... US Israel....

Who do we root for in WWIII?

The side fighting for liberal values. I think democracy and personal liberties is something worth fighting for

 

[DrZoidberg]

Then you are contradicting yourself with the last sentence. Because Hamas is not engaging in ethnic cleansing or genocide in Gaza. They are giving the IDF and people like you the excuses to chose to do so.

Nope

The Gazans Who Matter are engaging in ethnic cleansing. There's no genocide.

But it clearly is the GWM who regularly use the Gazans Who Don't Matter as human shields. That's the huge war crime going on here.


And frankly, there are nearly as many Arabic Muslims who are Israeli citizens as there are Gazans. Pretending that it's Israel engaging in genocide is ridiculous. There's no genocide, although Hamas is clearly engaged in ethnic cleansing.
Tom

You are spouting nonsense. I didn’t claim Israel is committing genocide. And you need to explain how Hamas is committing ethnic cleansing, because under the normal understanding of the term, your claim is delusional.

Hamas has been pretty upfront about eradicating all Jews from the Middle-East. They recently removed it from their founding documents. But that’s a recent development.

The only thing stopping them is not having the power to do so. And let’s all be grateful about that.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I'm so confused. How is supporting Israel supporting war crimes? They're the victims here. Just doing what they need to do to defend themselves against agressors.

Sure.

Except that they are not even doing what they need to do to defend themselves against agressors, much less just doing that.

Their current strategy is not only morally vile, and is not only in contravention of international law; It is also utterly counterproductive, if their goals include making ordinary Israelis safer.

The eternal chant of "war crimes!" doesn't make them magically appear.

Considering how extreme the 7/10 attack were Israel needs to neutralise Hamas. They have no other option.

Hamas showing the world they have zero respect for Palestinian civilians really isn't Israels moral conundrum.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Israel is again doing the free world's dirty work. It seems, more and more, to be the only democratic country with any balls left

Iran missiles cause multiple casualties after strikes in Israel

Strikes hit central and north Israel as the Israeli military carries out further attacks in Iran.

www.bbc.com

That is entirely baseless. How far back did Stuxnet set Iran? What is happening that we don't ever hear about?

And finally, toppling the Theocratic government in Iran (the key goal) is something the Iranians have to do. We can help shift and nudge, provide support without being noticed as providing support, but the Iranian people need to do it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm so confused. How is supporting Israel supporting war crimes? They're the victims here. Just doing what they need to do to defend themselves against agressors.

Sure.

Except that they are not even doing what they need to do to defend themselves against agressors, much less just doing that.

Their current strategy is not only morally vile, and is not only in contravention of international law; It is also utterly counterproductive, if their goals include making ordinary Israelis safer.

The eternal chant of "war crimes!" doesn't make them magically appear.

Considering how extreme the 7/10 attack were Israel needs to neutralise Hamas. They have no other option.

Hamas showing the world they have zero respect for Palestinian civilians really isn't Israels moral conundrum.

Yeah... just one or two more bombs and tunnels, right? If they haven't neutralized Hamas yet, militarily, it isn't happening militarily.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Just reported that Israel has struck Iran.

I have mixed feelings.

The attack appeared to be surgical... late at night to minimize collateral damage... targeting military (nuclear?) targets.

It is too bad Trump fucked us over with Iran, or maybe we'd be in a better position to assist in these sorts of attacks. Of course, Israel wouldn't dare tell the Trump Admin anything about these types of attacks.

 

[ZiprHead]

Just reported that Israel has struck Iran.

I have mixed feelings.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...test-news-trump-us-embassy-iraq-b2768585.html

Maybe we should get out of the war thing. Israel Gaza, Israel Iran, Iran Russia, Russia US, Ukraine NATO .... US Israel....

Who do we root for in WWIII?

The side fighting for liberal values. I think democracy and personal liberties is something worth fighting for

And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

 

[TomC]

And yet you support bombing the shit out of Gazans who have been held without conviction in an open air prison for decades.

Nope.
That would be Hamas and their supporters.
Tom