Immigration Issues

[Gospel]

Hiring illegals is illegal.

If you dig deep enough, you'll find the government at the root of most problems.

True, but don’t stop at ‘the government.’ Dig a little deeper and you’ll find it’s the people running it who are the real issue. Then dig even deeper and ask: who put them there? Follow that trail, and you’ll find it’s not just about government.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hiring illegals is illegal.

If you dig deep enough, you'll find the government at the root of most problems.

You are thinking of greed. Government can't be trusted, big business can't be trusted, the general population can't be trusted. What do they all have in common, they consist of people. That is nature, people are flawed. Libertarians are deluded in their unjustified position that the people are not flawed. Libertarians will blame institutions of people, but not people in general.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

People are angry that their industries they worked for left. Undocumented workers didn't do that.

Exactly. It wasn’t undocumented workers, it was corporations outsourcing jobs to cut labor costs, maximize profits, and pad executive bonuses. There's nothing inherently wrong with being rich or cutting costs, and bonuses aren’t evil in themselves. But when profit becomes the priority at the expense of the very workers/consumers who make that profit possible, that’s the problem. When profit is put above the well-being of your fellow citizens, something’s broken. What’s the point of all this patriotic grandstanding, celebrating soldiers, cops, miners, oil riggers for putting everything on the line, if you won’t demand even a fraction of that same loyalty from billion-dollar corporations getting major tax cuts? You want a tax cut? Then show some fucking patriotism, bitch. These same people will argue that folks on welfare need to “get a job” or at least hold one, yet they champion tax cuts for corporations that outsource jobs and lay off workers. In the end, it’s the very people they screw over who are expected to carry the weight and foot the bill for their windfall.

Here is the thing, we all loved the idea of cheaper prices. People want to blame big corporations... but the economy liked it, the consumers liked it. It wasn't until the effects of the benefits started rolling in, did some start disagreeing with.

This was the point about the Walmart episode on South Park. The source of Walmart's power... was the people. Not their greed, not their ambitions, but the people were who made Walmart what it was.

40+ years of GOP austerity has us at each other's throats. We've never been so unhappy. The uber wealthy are buying institutions while people are selling their cars as taxis to make ends meet. Libertarians blame the government, liberals blame big businesses, conservatives blames liberals... when we need to blame our collective priorities and what we value most.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Hiring illegals is illegal.

If you dig deep enough, you'll find the government at the root of most problems.

You are thinking of greed. Government can't be trusted, big business can't be trusted, the general population can't be trusted. What do they all have in common, they consist of people. That is nature, people are flawed. Libertarians are deluded in their unjustified position that the people are not flawed. Libertarians will blame institutions of people, but not people in general.

Greed without government is someone saying "I want that" over and over. Greed with government is using violence or the threat of violence to enrich the person using the government. It is no different from a simple mugger or shoplifter but for some reason people think it is acceptable when using the right label.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hiring illegals is illegal.

If you dig deep enough, you'll find the government at the root of most problems.

You are thinking of greed. Government can't be trusted, big business can't be trusted, the general population can't be trusted. What do they all have in common, they consist of people. That is nature, people are flawed. Libertarians are deluded in their unjustified position that the people are not flawed. Libertarians will blame institutions of people, but not people in general.

Greed without government is someone saying "I want that" over and over. Greed with government is using violence or the threat of violence to enrich the person using the government. It is no different from a simple mugger or shoplifter but for some reason people think it is acceptable when using the right label.

You make it sound like sociopaths are powerless without government. A Government is just a broader collaborative of population control. There will always be people in control, whether it is a mob or functioning government. The smaller the groups, the easier it is for sociopaths to take over. This is why power vacuums are so dangerous. Those who are so bold to takeover usually aren't the best of people.

Libertarians are often like the Utopianists in America back in the 19th century, where they thought they could create small collaborative communes. They never worked in the end.

 

[Gospel]

People are angry that their industries they worked for left. Undocumented workers didn't do that.

Exactly. It wasn’t undocumented workers, it was corporations outsourcing jobs to cut labor costs, maximize profits, and pad executive bonuses. There's nothing inherently wrong with being rich or cutting costs, and bonuses aren’t evil in themselves. But when profit becomes the priority at the expense of the very workers/consumers who make that profit possible, that’s the problem. When profit is put above the well-being of your fellow citizens, something’s broken. What’s the point of all this patriotic grandstanding, celebrating soldiers, cops, miners, oil riggers for putting everything on the line, if you won’t demand even a fraction of that same loyalty from billion-dollar corporations getting major tax cuts? You want a tax cut? Then show some fucking patriotism, bitch. These same people will argue that folks on welfare need to “get a job” or at least hold one, yet they champion tax cuts for corporations that outsource jobs and lay off workers. In the end, it’s the very people they screw over who are expected to carry the weight and foot the bill for their windfall.

Here is the thing, we all loved the idea of cheaper prices. People want to blame big corporations... but the economy liked it, the consumers liked it. It wasn't until the effects of the benefits started rolling in, did some start disagreeing with.

This was the point about the Walmart episode on South Park. The source of Walmart's power... was the people. Not their greed, not their ambitions, but the people were who made Walmart what it was.

40+ years of GOP austerity has us at each other's throats. We've never been so unhappy. The uber wealthy are buying institutions while people are selling their cars as taxis to make ends meet. Libertarians blame the government, liberals blame big businesses, conservatives blames liberals... when we need to blame our collective priorities and what we value most.

Absolutely, and that’s a fair point. We did chase cheaper prices, often without considering the long-term consequences. But let’s be clear: while regular people wanted affordable goods, they didn’t write trade deals, lobby for tax breaks, or dismantle labor protections. They didn’t design the system, they adapted to it. When you're living paycheck to paycheck, choosing the $5 T-shirt over the $25 one isn’t greed, it’s survival.

Sure, we all share some responsibility. But power matters, and those with the most of it, CEOs, hedge funds, and lobbying groups, bear the greatest share. It's one thing for everyday people to navigate the system; it’s another for billion-dollar corporations to rig it, suppress wages, offshore jobs, and extract maximum profit while waving the flag and crying “free market” when it suits them, and “bailout” when it doesn’t.

So no, the consumer choosing the $5 shirt didn’t engineer this economy. The ones who did are cashing in while the rest are left holding the bill.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Absolutely, and that’s a fair point. We did chase cheaper prices, often without considering the long-term consequences. But let’s be clear: while regular people wanted affordable goods, they didn’t write trade deals, lobby for tax breaks, or dismantle labor protections. They didn’t design the system, they adapted to it. When you're living paycheck to paycheck, choosing the $5 T-shirt over the $25 one isn’t greed, it’s survival.

Sure, we all share some responsibility. But power matters, and those with the most of it, CEOs, hedge funds, and lobbying groups, bear the greatest share. It's one thing for everyday people to navigate the system; it’s another for billion-dollar corporations to rig it, suppress wages, offshore jobs, and extract maximum profit while waving the flag and crying “free market” when it suits them, and “bailout” when it doesn’t.

So no, the consumer choosing the $5 shirt didn’t engineer this economy. The ones who did are cashing in while the rest are left holding the bill.

I disagree. The GOP wins general elections by promising to make things cheaper. That simple. Now days, people continue voting for this because they are angry (ironically because they voted for the stuff that is making them angry).

America got what it voted for.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Hiring illegals is illegal.

If you dig deep enough, you'll find the government at the root of most problems.

You are thinking of greed. Government can't be trusted, big business can't be trusted, the general population can't be trusted. What do they all have in common, they consist of people. That is nature, people are flawed. Libertarians are deluded in their unjustified position that the people are not flawed. Libertarians will blame institutions of people, but not people in general.

Greed without government is someone saying "I want that" over and over. Greed with government is using violence or the threat of violence to enrich the person using the government. It is no different from a simple mugger or shoplifter but for some reason people think it is acceptable when using the right label.

You make it sound like sociopaths are powerless without government. A Government is just a broader collaborative of population control. There will always be people in control, whether it is a mob or functioning government. The smaller the groups, the easier it is for sociopaths to take over. This is why power vacuums are so dangerous. Those who are so bold to takeover usually aren't the best of people.

Libertarians are often like the Utopianists in America back in the 19th century, where they thought they could create small collaborative communes. They never worked in the end.

If a mugger comes up to me and threatens violence, nobody would question a violent response. Give that mugger a title and a badge and suddenly statist utopian boot-lickers think the demand is the most proper thing they've ever seen and any resistance a crime.

 

[Gospel]

Absolutely, and that’s a fair point. We did chase cheaper prices, often without considering the long-term consequences. But let’s be clear: while regular people wanted affordable goods, they didn’t write trade deals, lobby for tax breaks, or dismantle labor protections. They didn’t design the system, they adapted to it. When you're living paycheck to paycheck, choosing the $5 T-shirt over the $25 one isn’t greed, it’s survival.

Sure, we all share some responsibility. But power matters, and those with the most of it, CEOs, hedge funds, and lobbying groups, bear the greatest share. It's one thing for everyday people to navigate the system; it’s another for billion-dollar corporations to rig it, suppress wages, offshore jobs, and extract maximum profit while waving the flag and crying “free market” when it suits them, and “bailout” when it doesn’t.

So no, the consumer choosing the $5 shirt didn’t engineer this economy. The ones who did are cashing in while the rest are left holding the bill.

I disagree. The GOP wins general elections by promising to make things cheaper. That simple. Now days, people continue voting for this because they are angry (ironically because they voted for the stuff that is making them angry).

America got what it voted for.

You're not wrong that “America got what it voted for”, but we need to ask why America keeps voting that way. That’s where decades of deliberate social engineering come in.

People didn’t wake up one day and decide sending manufacturing over seas was better or that public services were bad. They were sold those ideas, through think tanks, lobbyists, political ad campaigns, media consolidation, and culture wars. You’re telling me the girl pulling doubles at the Dairy Queen and the Vietnam vet handing out carts at Walmart masterminded this whole mess?

The Powell Memo
Trickle-Down Economics & Reaganism
The Media Consolidation Era
NAFTA and Globalization
Astroturf Movements (e.g., Tea Party, 2009)

Come on now. They didn’t write trade deals or crash the housing market. They’re just trying to make the mortgage and afford gas for a 20-year-old pickup truck.

Yes, voters hold some responsibility. But it’s dishonest to frame this as purely grassroots. It was top-down manipulation, and the architects are still collecting checks & eating popcorn while you blame the people they misled as they intended you to do.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Just how seriously do the GOP really care about the border wall? Let's ask Texas.

Four years after Gov. Greg Abbott announced Texas would be the first state to build its own border wall, lawmakers have quietly stopped funding the project, leaving only scattered segments covering a small fraction of the border.

That decision, made in the waning hours of this year’s legislative session, leaves the future of the state wall unclear. Just 8% of the 805 miles the state identified for construction is complete, which has cost taxpayers more than $3 billion to date. The Texas Tribune reported last year that the wall is full of gaps that migrants and smugglers can easily walk around and mostly concentrated on sprawling ranches in rural areas, where illegal border crossings are less likely to occur.

The GOP is full of it!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hiring illegals is illegal.

If you dig deep enough, you'll find the government at the root of most problems.

You are thinking of greed. Government can't be trusted, big business can't be trusted, the general population can't be trusted. What do they all have in common, they consist of people. That is nature, people are flawed. Libertarians are deluded in their unjustified position that the people are not flawed. Libertarians will blame institutions of people, but not people in general.

Greed without government is someone saying "I want that" over and over. Greed with government is using violence or the threat of violence to enrich the person using the government. It is no different from a simple mugger or shoplifter but for some reason people think it is acceptable when using the right label.

You make it sound like sociopaths are powerless without government. A Government is just a broader collaborative of population control. There will always be people in control, whether it is a mob or functioning government. The smaller the groups, the easier it is for sociopaths to take over. This is why power vacuums are so dangerous. Those who are so bold to takeover usually aren't the best of people.

Libertarians are often like the Utopianists in America back in the 19th century, where they thought they could create small collaborative communes. They never worked in the end.

If a mugger comes up to me and threatens violence, nobody would question a violent response. Give that mugger a title and a badge and suddenly statist utopian boot-lickers think the demand is the most proper thing they've ever seen and any resistance a crime.

Political metaphors usually suck, but this one puts all others to shame at sucking, as this could create a vacuum in a large warehouse! It didn't address anything, and leaned heavily on the Libertarian misplaced pride of being able to defend against any threat.

If you get mugged, you can just kill the mugger. Of course, if the mugger now has a clan of other muggers with them and are a mob... and armed? Let's look at Gaza and see how well Libertarianism works.

 

[James Brown]

Imagine the coincidence borders needed to be closed as a reaction to one receiving citizenship...

"Now that I'm here, everybody else keep out!"

 

[Gospel]

Imagine the coincidence borders needed to be closed as a reaction to one receiving citizenship...

"Now that I'm here, everybody else keep out!"

On January 20, 2025, President Trump signed an executive order terminating the Cuban, Haitian, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan (CHNV) humanitarian parole program, legal provisions that allowed Cuban migrants to enter the U.S. with work authorization and two-year legal status

 

[Gospel]

Manipulation at work again. Trump claimed he wouldn’t touch legal immigration, yet here we are. Cuban voters didn’t support him expecting this; they backed him for entirely different reasons. This is just another example of those in power misleading the public so effectively that many now defend the very manipulation working against them.

They voted for his anti-socialist rhetoric for a tough stance on the Cuban government, an isolationist mindset passed down from the older generation and passed around through Cuban-centered social media. But let’s be honest: ending the humanitarian parole program that reunited families and offered legal protection? That was never part of the plan they signed up for.

 

[ZiprHead]

Someday soon this is going to turn into a very bad situation.

 

[Gospel]

Someday soon this is going to turn into a very bad situation.

Looks normal to me. Brown folks already know, we’re not allowed to defend ourselves against people who look like that.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Someday soon this is going to turn into a very bad situation.

Looks normal to me. Brown folks already know, we’re not allowed to defend ourselves against people who look like that.

It is like open carry. Bunch of black guys walk around looking like that... an entire platoon of police cars will arrive in 4 minutes.

In normal times, if we saw people dressed like that, next a van and we saw them accost a woman, one would be heralded as a hero for attacking them and rescuing her. Now days, you could be sent to a foreign prison.

Sorry 11 year old Emilia. Those might be pedophiles kidnapping you, but... you might not be a documented citizen so... hopes and prayers going your way.

 

[Gospel]

For all the noise about how “criminal” the immigrant population supposedly is, it’s strangely quiet when it comes to headlines about ICE agents getting shot at. Over 207,000 deportations in 2025 alone, and yet none of these so-called hardened criminals barricaded themselves in or went to war with ICE?

What gives? A couple liquor bottles, some rags, and the occasional splash of arson, is that the invasion we were warned about? Where are the drug cartels and the dangerous human traffickers? This doesn't seem to be an “invasion,” worth of invoking the Alien Enemies Act over. Business as usual would suffice.

 

[pood]

The USA is such as weird place now. I was never content in my UK homeland, I always wanted to leave. I really wanted to go to someplace like Spain, Portugal, Italy or maybe the USA. Growing up in the UK the USA always seemed a great place because most of the TV programs and movies presented a positive image, Beverly Hills 90210, Cheers, Beverly Hills Cop etc. Even the crime movies made it exciting, Dirty Harry, The Streets of San Francisco. Anyway, as a youngish IT professional in the early 90s I got an opportunity to work in Los Angeles and came here on an H1B and have been a naturalized US citizen for quite a while. But my view of the USA is no longer the starry eyed immigrant that sees a land of opportunity. I am very skeptical of the way the USA is socially structured. It seems to me that the USA consists of a top tier of people, an exclusive social club that runs the USA as its own private club. Membership is strictly controlled as is the opportunity for plebs to join. I see a deliberate tier system where the illegals are kept at the bottom of the totem pole, crushed beneath a dysfunctional immigration system that will keep them and their children cleaning the toilets etc while the elites get to lord over them. I have done well coming to the USA but I have been lucky in regards to timing. I would not come to the USA now. The USA may still seem attractive to developing countries or countries mired in strife but the USA does not offer much in the way of opportunity. Something is sick within its society.

Swizzle wrote this??

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The USA is such as weird place now. I was never content in my UK homeland, I always wanted to leave. I really wanted to go to someplace like Spain, Portugal, Italy or maybe the USA. Growing up in the UK the USA always seemed a great place because most of the TV programs and movies presented a positive image, Beverly Hills 90210, Cheers, Beverly Hills Cop etc. Even the crime movies made it exciting, Dirty Harry, The Streets of San Francisco. Anyway, as a youngish IT professional in the early 90s I got an opportunity to work in Los Angeles and came here on an H1B and have been a naturalized US citizen for quite a while. But my view of the USA is no longer the starry eyed immigrant that sees a land of opportunity. I am very skeptical of the way the USA is socially structured. It seems to me that the USA consists of a top tier of people, an exclusive social club that runs the USA as its own private club. Membership is strictly controlled as is the opportunity for plebs to join. I see a deliberate tier system where the illegals are kept at the bottom of the totem pole, crushed beneath a dysfunctional immigration system that will keep them and their children cleaning the toilets etc while the elites get to lord over them. I have done well coming to the USA but I have been lucky in regards to timing. I would not come to the USA now. The USA may still seem attractive to developing countries or countries mired in strife but the USA does not offer much in the way of opportunity. Something is sick within its society.

Swizzle wrote this??

Dude, you could fill behind Hoover Dam with the amount of irony in there.