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I’m very much aware of the practice.
I’d like an explanation of why it’s forbidden.
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I’d like an explanation of why it’s forbidden.
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Explain that to @Politesse. They keep insisting that Title IX forbids it.
Honestly, I think Poli is doing a semantics dance. For nearly all my life women and females were synonymous. Now they are separate concepts. But Title IX has been around awhile and may still refer to females as women or girls.
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If you are very much aware of the practice, then you’d know it is not forbidden. Duh.
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Not in the posts I read. In Post 2494, Politesse clearly acknowledges that is legal.
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You’ve been having an elder decade.
seanie
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So how do you have separate men’s and women’s sports if exclusion on the basis of sex is forbidden?
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It contradicts an earlier post.
Like many trans activists, semantics helps a lot.
Are we talking about males or men? Females or women? Sex or gender? Plenty of ideological activists find it convenient to use semantics rather than logic or morality.
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seanie
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So separate women’s and men’s sports aren’t forbidden, but they can’t be separated on the basis of sex?
Is that the position?
So how are we separating the categories, and on what justification?
Is that the position?
So how are we separating the categories, and on what justification?
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Tell me about it without the irony.
seanie
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An explanation would be very much appreciated.
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Separate but equal.
Equal access does not necessarily mean equal access to particular sports. For instance, a school may field a football team comprised of males and not a football team comprised of women. However, the women are supposed to have access to a woman's sport on footing with football. Often, women's soccer is offered instead. Occasionally, a woman will try out for and win a place on a male football team, generally as a kicker. This is pretty rare.
Another example would be baseball, which in the US, is a man's sport. Women are offered softball as the equivalent.
The reality is that men's sports do get more funding, still get first/best shot at facilities, practice times, game times, transportation, etc. The excuse is that men's sports teams generate more income but I'd really love to see an actual accountant's analysis of that.
Title IX also ensures that no one is disallowed from participating in any program, including academic programs on the basis of sex. It used to be common that girls (K-12) were put into home economics classes and boys were put into shop classes. In my high school in the ancient days girls were not allowed to take drafting courses. Boys were not allowed to take home ec, although presumably, girls could become architects and everybody needs to eat, right? Now most classes are co-ed. I only wrote most because at the moment, I can't think of any male only or female only classes, except perhaps gym classes because of the limitations of the size of the locker rooms and showers.
seanie
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Really?
You need an accountant to tell you that men’s sports tend to generate more revenue?
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Very well.
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Yes, really.
seanie
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How so?
What’s the justification for separate men’s and women’s sports, if discrimination on the basis is sex is forbidden?