Epstein, Kiddies, And Trump. Oh, My

[steve_bank]

Epstein and Combs are the tip of the iceberg.

If you are outraged over Epstein whatabout 24/7 Internet porn where pedophilia abounds.

I have looked at it.

Extreme violent sex and sex abuse. Sadism. Some people get off on bound and gagged women naked and whipped, pissed on.

Bestiality is on line.

Internet porn addiction down to teens.

From reporting a part of it is sex trafficking, women coerced into performing on the net.
There are live sex sites and video sites with girls who at least look underage. Pandering to pedophiles. Old men wit underage looking girls is a common theme.


The next time you watch net porn think about what is behind the video you watch.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Pop quiz on sexual impropriety in government

1. Which president got a blow job in the Oval Office and and said oral sex was not really sex?

Which omits the context. The other side had defined sex as penis-in-vagina. They hadn't done that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Who cares if it's a -D or an -R?!? Lock the pedophiles up.

Was Clinton a diddler? Lock him up!

Was Trump a diddler? Lock him up!

It's not rocket science.

It's just... Of these folks may have been a John for the scheme... The other was a trafficker/facilitator whose biggest gripe with Epstein is that Epstein recruited one of the underage "masseuses" Trump was getting sex diaper changes "massages" from, from his sketchy 'resort'.

One of these is more urgent than the other.

I'm not remotely convinced Clinton ever did it with someone who was underage or not willing.

The Felon, we know he's done non-consensual.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Epstein and Combs are the tip of the iceberg.

If you are outraged over Epstein whatabout 24/7 Internet porn where pedophilia abounds.

I have looked at it.

Extreme violent sex and sex abuse. Sadism. Some people get off on bound and gagged women naked and whipped, pissed on.

Bestiality is on line.

Internet porn addiction down to teens.

From reporting a part of it is sex trafficking, women coerced into performing on the net.
There are live sex sites and video sites with girls who at least look underage. Pandering to pedophiles. Old men wit underage looking girls is a common theme.


The next time you watch net porn think about what is behind the video you watch.

You are acting as if the edge extremes are the norm.

And you also do not understand that some people get off on being bound and gagged. And some people get off on being whipped and pissed on.

There is abusive stuff, doesn't mean that's the norm.

And so what if bestiality is online?

If you're not into it you're not into it. It's not going to corrupt you to see it.

I know what porn was around the house when I was growing up. I was the one who had to deal with the majority of his papers--once again, a good look at his tastes. And there is zero overlap between his tastes and mine.

 

[laughing dog]

In your fantasies, not in the USA.

Reality is far more complex and nuanced than your facile, simplistic dichotomy.

Your obsession that a teenager is not a child might fascinate someone interested in abnormal psychology, but not me.

 

[laughing dog]

Pop quiz on sexual impropriety in government

1. Which president got a blow job in the Oval Office and and said oral sex was not really sex?
2. Which governor of Arkansas had the state police bring women to him?
3. Which president had a stream of women in the WH and screwed Marylin Monroe?
4. Which president had a member of the Hollywood Rat Pack as a pimp procuring women?

Spoiler

1. Clinton
2 Clinton
3 JFK
4 JFK

List of federal political sex scandals in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Don't forget FDR.

This sounds like pedophile apologia.

An expected response. I would have supported the death penalty for Epstein. And for any such sexual predator.

The Wiki link is probably the tip of the iceberg.

I am no fan of Trump, but singling out Trump and ignoring the history of sex and government on both the left and right is ignorance and simplistic.

Power breeds corruption.

It is the obsession by the left to try and defame Trump that is making it more difficult for the left. It backfired.

Trump is alive, the current President, and promised to release the files about a sex trafficker in underage females. None if you examples comes close to that profile.

 

[Jarhyn]

Epstein and Combs are the tip of the iceberg.

If you are outraged over Epstein whatabout 24/7 Internet porn where pedophilia abounds [citation needed]

See edit.

I have looked at it.

... The pedophilia that abounds?

Extreme violent sex and sex abuse. Sadism. Some people get off on bound and gagged women naked and whipped, pissed on.

Mostly consensually.

I take it you looked at this too?

Bestiality is on line.

And this? Did you look at this, too?

Internet porn addiction down to teens.

A teen you are not... I believe you said that it was YOU who looked at it...

From reporting a part of it is sex trafficking, women coerced into performing on the net.
There are live sex sites and video sites with girls who at least look underage. Pandering to pedophiles. Old men wit underage looking girls is a common theme.

If you suspect sex trafficking, you should report the site and source. Have you not? If not, why haven't you? And if it hasn't been taken down yet, maybe that's because the people involved are actually adults, and it's not your business that other people in porn look underaged.

The next time you watch net porn think about what is behind the video you watch.

When I look at porn on the Internet, I know it's either an human generating from an AI, or a human artist behind it, every time, or someone posted their own self-made porn as a personal decision or they are trying to promote their channel to me (ineffectively).

I'm a furry for fuck sakes!

To be fair, I also know far more of the internet history of the shock porn I've seen than you probably do, too, and have seen a fair bit of some fairly gross stuff, but mostly because 4chan is a cesspit, but none of it was child porn.

I would say the bestiality stuff is more for the speciesism thread, though the Amish are far worse to their animals than the beastiality industry, and almost as bad to their womenfolk.

Those sites are pretty fucked up and very questionable, to say the least.

 

[ZiprHead]

Who cares if it's a -D or an -R?!? Lock the pedophiles up.

Was Clinton a diddler? Lock him up!

Was Trump a diddler? Lock him up!

It's not rocket science.

It's just... Of these folks may have been a John for the scheme... The other was a trafficker/facilitator whose biggest gripe with Epstein is that Epstein recruited one of the underage "masseuses" Trump was getting sex diaper changes "massages" from, from his sketchy 'resort'.

One of these is more urgent than the other.

I'm not remotely convinced Clinton ever did it with someone who was underage or not willing.

The Felon, we know he's done non-consensual.

Clinton, for the two years after he left office, did a lot of traveling to Europe and Africa for the Clinton AIDS foundation. Epstein allowed him to use his jet for some of those travels. Kevin Spacey accompanied him on at least one of those flights and confirmed they were taken to a charity event.

But if he did diddle kids, fuck him and let him burn.

 

[Jarhyn]

Who cares if it's a -D or an -R?!? Lock the pedophiles up.

Was Clinton a diddler? Lock him up!

Was Trump a diddler? Lock him up!

It's not rocket science.

It's just... Of these folks may have been a John for the scheme... The other was a trafficker/facilitator whose biggest gripe with Epstein is that Epstein recruited one of the underage "masseuses" Trump was getting sex diaper changes "massages" from, from his sketchy 'resort'.

One of these is more urgent than the other.

I'm not remotely convinced Clinton ever did it with someone who was underage or not willing.

The Felon, we know he's done non-consensual.

Clinton, for the two years after he left office, did a lot of traveling to Europe and Africa for the Clinton AIDS foundation. Epstein allowed him to use his jet for some of those travels. Kevin Spacey accompanied him on at least one of those flights and confirmed they were taken to a charity event.

But if he did diddle kids, fuck him and let him burn.

Yeah, like, "Clinton was in the logs" isn't a response to "release the logs".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'd note that the Clinton docs were all released including Grand Jury testimony. So we just await the Epstein docs to be released. The whole MAGA point was they wanted the elite to fall with its release. It is not being released because Trump was balls deep in a minor(s?).

 

[ideologyhunter]

Documents that Trump fought like a mad dog to keep out of the public record:

1. His transcripts from Wharton
2. His tax returns
3. White House files on his actions on Jan. 6 (binge-watching a live crime channel)
4. Complete Epstein files

Russia, if you're listening -- no, strike that. Canada, if you're listening...

 

[Derec]

If you are outraged over Epstein whatabout 24/7 Internet porn where pedophilia abounds.

Pedophilia may abound on the dark web, but it certainly does not abound on mainstream sites.

I have looked at it.

Why? That's a felony.

Extreme violent sex and sex abuse. Sadism. Some people get off on bound and gagged women naked and whipped, pissed on.

That's just BDSM and other fetishes. It may not be your cup of tea, or mine, but if participants are consenting, then what's wrong with that? We should not go in the direction of UK with ever increasing levels of censorship.

Bestiality is on line.

Interspecies erotica, please!

Internet porn addiction down to teens.

[citation needed]
And how do you even define "porn addiction"?

From reporting a part of it is sex trafficking, women coerced into performing on the net.

How do you define "sex trafficking"? How do you define "coerced"?
Some sex-negative illiberals see any sex work as "trafficking" and doing any sex work because one needs money as "coercive".

There are live sex sites and video sites with girls who at least look underage. Pandering to pedophiles.

Those are ≥18 year old actresses, even if some of them look young. To call that "pedophilia" which refers to sexual attraction to prepubescent children is ridiculous.

Old men wit underage looking girls is a common theme.

As is younger guys with older women. Or stepbro/stepsis. Or women on the street in Czechia being given money.
Or any other silly porn setup.

You can imagine where it goes from here.

The next time you watch net porn think about what is behind the video you watch.

Consenting adults. Even if you are offended by what they do.

 

[Derec]

Your obsession that a teenager is not a child might fascinate someone interested in abnormal psychology, but not me.

I think this notion of a dichotomous human development is psychologically abnormal, and not my nuanced position that i outlined in my first post on the matter. Note that neither Jarhyn nor you have even attempted to deal with the points I raised. All you have is insults and aspersions.

 

[Derec]

I'm not remotely convinced Clinton ever did it with someone who was underage

Not even when he himself was close to that age? Are you sure?

or not willing.

There were some allegations to that effect with Clinton. Juanita Broadrick for example.

The Felon, we know he's done non-consensual.

Likely, but it has never been proven in court. Those felonies you like to bring up had nothing to do with any nonconsensual sex. They also were really misdemeanors - mislabeling campaign expenses - and raised to felonies for political purposes. It backfired - the ridiculous hush money case only made Trump more popular.

 

[Jarhyn]

I'm not remotely convinced Clinton ever did it with someone who was underage

Not even when he himself was close to that age? Are you sure?

or not willing.

There were some allegations to that effect with Clinton. Juanita Broadrick for example.

The Felon, we know he's done non-consensual.

Likely, but it has never been proven in court. Those felonies you like to bring up had nothing to do with any nonconsensual sex. They also were really misdemeanors - mislabeling campaign expenses - and raised to felonies for political purposes. It backfired - the ridiculous hush money case only made Trump more popular.

Trump. Fucked. Children.

Trump. Trafficked. Children.

That he hasn't been convicted of these offenses is for purely political political purposes.

He is apparently popular with you.

You are apologizing rapid-fire as if trying to dissemble the fact that for several posts of this thread now, you yourself have done exactly what many, MANY people who I would NEVER trust around a kid have done, and I have been VERY clear what I mean by "child" here and why I think that matters.

And no, teens do not actually have the necessary experience or time to understand sex.

That is in fact something that evolution itself seems to have set up: an inability to understand reproduction overlapping an ability to reproduce, thus ensuring a fairly high rate of reproduction, and an inability to understand the interpersonal long term effects of a sexual relationship with someone more likely to understand and take advantage of those effects

That's the whole fucking point: to defeat that overlap by doing a number of things to help people understand it well enough to not do it in a reproductive manner at that age, and to prevent efforts by adults to groom children into imbalanced relationships from which they lack the power or leverage to escape.

Get fucked with "proven in court" about this shit.

Trump fucked children.

Every last bit of dancing around about children fucking each other (which we should still strive to prevent through education) makes you look worse, because you are trying to use THAT as if it justifies adults fucking children.

Children shouldn't fuck children but they don't know better. Adults shouldn't fuck children because the adults should know better.

Why does this still have to be a topic?!?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If you are outraged over Epstein whatabout 24/7 Internet porn where pedophilia abounds.

Pedophilia may abound on the dark web, but it certainly does not abound on mainstream sites.

I have looked at it.

Why? That's a felony.

Early days of the internet sometimes you stumbled on something other than what you were looking for.

Extreme violent sex and sex abuse. Sadism. Some people get off on bound and gagged women naked and whipped, pissed on.

That's just BDSM and other fetishes. It may not be your cup of tea, or mine, but if participants are consenting, then what's wrong with that? We should not go in the direction of UK with ever increasing levels of censorship.

I have heard that some of the really-bound-up stuff is women who did it because it provided an opportunity to be really bound up with resources beyond the usual kinkster and in a very safe way.

Bestiality is on line.

Interspecies erotica, please!

Internet porn addiction down to teens.

[citation needed]
And how do you even define "porn addiction"?

Same way as you would define any addiction--when the need for the item of the addiction will drive the person to do unreasonable things to satisfy the desire. Addiction is not defined by quantity, but by an inability to choose to abstain. Are there porn addicts? Probably. Are there a whole bunch of porn addicts? Virtually certainly not.

From reporting a part of it is sex trafficking, women coerced into performing on the net.

How do you define "sex trafficking"? How do you define "coerced"?
Some sex-negative illiberals see any sex work as "trafficking" and doing any sex work because one needs money as "coercive".

The terms have perfectly good meanings. It's just cop math that pretends prostitution is trafficking.

There are live sex sites and video sites with girls who at least look underage. Pandering to pedophiles.

Those are ≥18 year old actresses, even if some of them look young. To call that "pedophilia" which refers to sexual attraction to prepubescent children is ridiculous.

Seconded. The distinguishing feature of pedophilia is an attraction to those who have not completed puberty. I have relatives that when 18 looked like jailbait, but certainly didn't look (obviously, in normal street attire) to be below puberty.

Old men wit underage looking girls is a common theme.

As is younger guys with older women. Or stepbro/stepsis. Or women on the street in Czechia being given money.
Or any other silly porn setup.

You can imagine where it goes from here.

The next time you watch net porn think about what is behind the video you watch.

Consenting adults. Even if you are offended by what they do.

Exactly. The various scenarios are no more real than anything else that comes from Hollywood.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Likely, but it has never been proven in court. Those felonies you like to bring up had nothing to do with any nonconsensual sex. They also were really misdemeanors - mislabeling campaign expenses - and raised to felonies for political purposes. It backfired - the ridiculous hush money case only made Trump more popular.

Disagree. The dirty books law he was convicted under was specifically intended for that sort of thing--like nailing Al Capone on taxes. It was meant to target coverups, it did exactly what it was supposed to do. (I do have a problem with it being preponderance of the evidence, though. Both sides have gotten very bad about trying to sidestep the Constitution.)

 

[laughing dog]

Your obsession that a teenager is not a child might fascinate someone interested in abnormal psychology, but not me.

I think this notion of a dichotomous human development is psychologically abnormal, and not my nuanced position that i outlined in my first post on the matter. Note that neither Jarhyn nor you have even attempted to deal with the points I raised. All you have is insults and aspersions.

I’ve raised children. Anyone who has knows there are stages of childhood development until adulthood.

Your dichotomous development is s straw man. Your obsession over when it is okay to fuck children rape apologia is psychologically abnormal,

 

[unapologetic]

doing any sex work because one needs money as "coercive".

Most leagel jobs are coercive.
If you like doing it, they don't pay you, you'd have to pay them.

 

[TV and credit cards]

So, how long before "15 years old isn't a child" arguments start coming in?

Well, a 15 year old is objectively not a child. He or she is a teenager, a transitional stage between childhood and adulthood, not quite like either of those two stages of life. Humans are not larvae until our 18th birthdays who then metamorphose into adults. No, we develop gradually, and the society needs to accept that. The notion that anybody below 18 is a full-on child is one of the more pernicious ideas that developed over the last few decades.

As far as age of consent, I think 16 is a good compromise age, and there should be close-age exceptions. I.e. a 16 year old with a 15 year old should be allowed. Note that 16 is the age of consent in most of the developed world, including some US states, and that 18 as age of consent is the exception.
As far as being a sex worker, 18 is a good cutoff as the age of majority. Note that none of this makes forced or coerced sex ok, regardless of age, although younger ages of vicims make it worse, of course.

Note that I will most likely be attacked by the likes of Toni and Jarhyn for having a nuanced position on the matter, and because I do not think that somebody 17 years and 364 days old is a "child" who is unable to consent to sex.

B Curious. Why would you be inclined to slide the age of consent from 18 to 16? If we are talking about a person's ability to make sound judgements, the age of consent should move in the other direction. These executive functions of the brain aren't fully developed until the mid twenties, later for some. And this isn't even considering any role alcohol might be playing.
Why 16?