Are people already regretting their choice?

[southernhybrid]

The fed doesn't tell you what to eat or drink, but the government shouldn't have to pay for your Coke or whiskey either. A nutritional supplement should be for nutrition. How many times do I need to say that?

Exactly my point. You’ll have to say it constantly, ad nauseum and probably to little or no effect. The remedy is EDUCATION, so that even poor people can understand their nutritional options and the results of those choices. Permitting rat poison to be on the SNAP list should not be an adviso that it’s safe to eat, but if people are plagued by rats, being able to obtain it might be helpful, or even a life saver. I don’t think of soda or whiskey as food, and both of them have addictive or habit forming qualities.

This administration is deeply committed to keeping people - especially poor people - stupid, gullible and stuffed full of nonsensical conspiracies and woo. The degree of their success is directly proportional to the futility of trying to improve outcomes by changing SNAP eligibilities. Without education you’re going to need food police.

Not sure education is always going to work. You certainly know about the hazards of drinking alcohol and soda, yet you still do it (as do I, especially the sodas, alcohol not so much).

This is true, but it doesn't hurt to teach people about nutrition. I actually took it as an elective when I studied nursing and I've read that medical schools don't or rarely teach their students about nutrition. So, I agree that knowing what's best to eat, doesn't mean we will always eat healthy foods. I eat a few unhealthy foods myself, but I balance them out with lots of healthy foods.

I know that the Republicans are making everything that poor people need harder to obtain, and that is the real tragedy. It's insane that someone should have to prove they have a job to obtain medical care, but then I totally support UHC, with premiums based on income. When I was working a Medicaid recipient had to pay a small copay for their meds. That seemed fair, even though I had to loan one of them money to get their med. I told her she didn't have to pay me back but she insisted on paying me back, so I finally accepted her money.

Sometimes we don't appreciate that a lot of poor people feel their dignity is lost if they accept a handout. Once when we were traveling and made a quick stop for lunch, Mr. Sohy tried to help a woman in a fast food restaurant pay for her meal as she was about 75 cents short of paying for the meal. She got very upset with him and told him she didn't accept charity. I thought that was a bit much, but it was certainly her right to feel that way.

 

[bilby]

The fed doesn't tell you what to eat or drink, but the government shouldn't have to pay for your Coke or whiskey either. A nutritional supplement should be for nutrition.

No, it should not exist at all.

Government support should be in dollars. The idea that the government knows best how those dollars should be spent is absurd. But apparently, poor people are not to be allowed any freedom.

If somebody wants to skip lunch to pay for transport to a job interview, they may not do that. Because Uncle Sam knows better; That money is for food and food alone. It's not supposed to help; Just to keep people from littering the streets with their starved corpses, which might inconvenience the wealthy.

 

[ZiprHead]

The fed doesn't tell you what to eat or drink, but the government shouldn't have to pay for your Coke or whiskey either. A nutritional supplement should be for nutrition.

No, it should not exist at all.

Government support should be in dollars. The idea that the government knows best how those dollars should be spent is absurd. But apparently, poor people are not to be allowed any freedom.

If somebody wants to skip lunch to pay for transport to a job interview, they may not do that. Because Uncle Sam knows better; That money is for food and food alone. It's not supposed to help; Just to keep people from littering the streets with their starved corpses, which might inconvenience the wealthy.

We would not be having to discuss SNAP so much if people's pay didn't suck so much.





Yes, it's old but I don't think anyone can say it has gotten better since then.

 

[ZiprHead]

Here's something more modern:

NEW STUDY: Nearly $80 Trillion Redistributed from the Bottom 90% to the Top 1% Since 1975 » Senator Bernie Sanders

WASHINGTON, March 4 – As Republicans prepare legislation to provide more tax breaks to billionaires with massive cuts to programs working families need, Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today highlighted a new report from the nonpartisan RAND Corporation, which found that nearly $80 trillion in...

www.sanders.senate.gov

The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure

A report shows that a $50 trillion redistribution of income to benefit the richest has made America less healthy, resilient, and secure

time.com

 

[robnisch]

Oh, come on the trickle-down thing will work this time, Trust me.

 

[blastula]

Back on topic.

Couple alleges racial profiling in Border Patrol stop they recorded on video

George and Esmeralda Doilez are U.S. citizens who live in Brawley and were headed to a dental appointment in North County on Wednesday.

www.nbcsandiego.com

George and Esmeralda said they both voted for the first time in 2020, and then again in 2024 – both times for President Donald Trump. They said, as they’ve watched his mass deportation effort unfold in immigration court and at workplaces, seeing the majority of people detained without a violent criminal record, they both have come to regret their votes.

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...quences-of-their-vote-going-viral/ar-AA1u9Dd1

Voters who supported Donald Trump are now learning the potential consequences of electing him for a second term and their stories are going viral.

In the aftermath of the 2024 presidential election, social media users are sharing stories of regret and doubt from their friends, family, neighbors, and coworkers who are learning the plans for Trump's second term after voting for him.

The stories have revived a 2015 meme that perfectly describes how many Trump supporters may have voted to inflict harm on themselves.

"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party," the 2015 adage goes.

One X user shared a story about her coworker who thought Trump's plan to cut the Department of Education wouldn't affect her special needs child.

"It happened today a coworker (white lesbian with a special needs child) spoke about how she voted for Orange man because of her 'beliefs and faith' said she didn’t know about his plans with DOE and he’s not “allowed” to take away funding especially for special needs kids," the X user tweeted.

It really makes one wonder how stupid people who voted for Trump really were when they cast their votes. How could they believe what a pathological liar with a history of sexually assaulting women could be trusted to run the country, especially after his first term. It's just so sad and now all of us are having to suffer due to these voters that didn't know who they were really voting for.

 

[ZiprHead]

Back on topic.

Couple alleges racial profiling in Border Patrol stop they recorded on video

George and Esmeralda Doilez are U.S. citizens who live in Brawley and were headed to a dental appointment in North County on Wednesday.

www.nbcsandiego.com

George and Esmeralda said they both voted for the first time in 2020, and then again in 2024 – both times for President Donald Trump. They said, as they’ve watched his mass deportation effort unfold in immigration court and at workplaces, seeing the majority of people detained without a violent criminal record, they both have come to regret their votes.

He has tattoos. Therefore he's a gang member. Deport him.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I did a lot of research about the soda thing and I learned a lot. First of all, the beverage industry has been lobbying for many years against removing soda from the SNAP benefit. No surprise there. I also learned that this soda thing started around 2004, so it's nothing new. It's just hard to change. Both Dems and Republicans in different administrations have been in favor of removing soda from the SNAP benefit.

Soda is also considered the primary reason for the extreme rise in obesity. Of course that's not always t he case. I know it's more complicated as some people seem to have a genetic predisposition to obesity.

I learned that it was originally thought that SNAP recipients would buy very little soda with their benefit but that turned out to be wrong. They spend a good deal on soda, something like 4 billion dollars per year. In fact, I read that the average SNAP recipient drinks an average of 7 sodas per week, while the average low income drinks about 5 and people in the middle and upper classes drink about 3.5. I might be off by a fraction since I'm going by memory, but the point is SNAP is being wasted on a high number of sodas. While obesity is a risk factor for many diseases, a lot of the problem also has to do with what made one obese. My husband's late grandmother was quite obese but she ate lots of healthy nuts and I don't remember ever seeing her drink a soda. She hate other healthy foods and while she did have some heart problems, she lived to be 94, with her health failing only in the last year or two of her life.

Soda is easy and lots of calories. I'm not surprised a lot of people buy it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The fed doesn't tell you what to eat or drink, but the government shouldn't have to pay for your Coke or whiskey either. A nutritional supplement should be for nutrition.

No, it should not exist at all.

Government support should be in dollars. The idea that the government knows best how those dollars should be spent is absurd. But apparently, poor people are not to be allowed any freedom.

If somebody wants to skip lunch to pay for transport to a job interview, they may not do that. Because Uncle Sam knows better; That money is for food and food alone. It's not supposed to help; Just to keep people from littering the streets with their starved corpses, which might inconvenience the wealthy.

The problem is whether it goes into dad's booze and smokes or the kids bellies.

 

[bilby]

The fed doesn't tell you what to eat or drink, but the government shouldn't have to pay for your Coke or whiskey either. A nutritional supplement should be for nutrition.

No, it should not exist at all.

Government support should be in dollars. The idea that the government knows best how those dollars should be spent is absurd. But apparently, poor people are not to be allowed any freedom.

If somebody wants to skip lunch to pay for transport to a job interview, they may not do that. Because Uncle Sam knows better; That money is for food and food alone. It's not supposed to help; Just to keep people from littering the streets with their starved corpses, which might inconvenience the wealthy.

The problem is whether it goes into dad's booze and smokes or the kids bellies.

Is it? Why? Are poor people inherently cruel?

 

[ZiprHead]

I did a lot of research about the soda thing and I learned a lot. First of all, the beverage industry has been lobbying for many years against removing soda from the SNAP benefit. No surprise there. I also learned that this soda thing started around 2004, so it's nothing new. It's just hard to change. Both Dems and Republicans in different administrations have been in favor of removing soda from the SNAP benefit.

Soda is also considered the primary reason for the extreme rise in obesity. Of course that's not always t he case. I know it's more complicated as some people seem to have a genetic predisposition to obesity.

I learned that it was originally thought that SNAP recipients would buy very little soda with their benefit but that turned out to be wrong. They spend a good deal on soda, something like 4 billion dollars per year. In fact, I read that the average SNAP recipient drinks an average of 7 sodas per week, while the average low income drinks about 5 and people in the middle and upper classes drink about 3.5. I might be off by a fraction since I'm going by memory, but the point is SNAP is being wasted on a high number of sodas. While obesity is a risk factor for many diseases, a lot of the problem also has to do with what made one obese. My husband's late grandmother was quite obese but she ate lots of healthy nuts and I don't remember ever seeing her drink a soda. She hate other healthy foods and while she did have some heart problems, she lived to be 94, with her health failing only in the last year or two of her life.

Soda is easy and lots of calories. I'm not surprised a lot of people buy it.

Maybe because it tastes good???

I go through a two liter about every four days, a half liter spread out over the course of a day.

I absolutely hate diet sodas. But I found one I actually like and have been substituting that a lot lately. Sunkist Orange Zero.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

We would not be having to discuss SNAP so much if people's pay didn't suck so much.

And you still suffer from economic creationism here. Destroying bad jobs causes unemployment, not good jobs.

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Yes, it's old but I don't think anyone can say it has gotten better since then.

And your data shows that even when you rig the data (note: "hourly wage"--most good jobs aren't hourly) you still show workers are making a bit of progress.

 

[ZiprHead]

We would not be having to discuss SNAP so much if people's pay didn't suck so much.

And you still suffer from economic creationism here. Destroying bad jobs causes unemployment, not good jobs.

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Yes, it's old but I don't think anyone can say it has gotten better since then.

And your data shows that even when you rig the data (note: "hourly wage"--most good jobs aren't hourly) you still show workers are making a bit of progress.

There goes Loren, defending the greed and economic inequality again.

BTW, the Economic Policy Institute, where those charts came from, includes salaried workers pay divided by the number of hours they worked.

 

[laughing dog]

We would not be having to discuss SNAP so much if people's pay didn't suck so much.

And you still suffer from economic creationism here. Destroying bad jobs causes unemployment, not good jobs.

Unemployment means a dramatic reduction in purchasing power which is one reason for SNAP.

 

[southernhybrid]

I did a lot of research about the soda thing and I learned a lot. First of all, the beverage industry has been lobbying for many years against removing soda from the SNAP benefit. No surprise there. I also learned that this soda thing started around 2004, so it's nothing new. It's just hard to change. Both Dems and Republicans in different administrations have been in favor of removing soda from the SNAP benefit.

Soda is also considered the primary reason for the extreme rise in obesity. Of course that's not always t he case. I know it's more complicated as some people seem to have a genetic predisposition to obesity.

I learned that it was originally thought that SNAP recipients would buy very little soda with their benefit but that turned out to be wrong. They spend a good deal on soda, something like 4 billion dollars per year. In fact, I read that the average SNAP recipient drinks an average of 7 sodas per week, while the average low income drinks about 5 and people in the middle and upper classes drink about 3.5. I might be off by a fraction since I'm going by memory, but the point is SNAP is being wasted on a high number of sodas. While obesity is a risk factor for many diseases, a lot of the problem also has to do with what made one obese. My husband's late grandmother was quite obese but she ate lots of healthy nuts and I don't remember ever seeing her drink a soda. She hate other healthy foods and while she did have some heart problems, she lived to be 94, with her health failing only in the last year or two of her life.

Soda is easy and lots of calories. I'm not surprised a lot of people buy it.

Maybe because it tastes good???

I go through a two liter about every four days, a half liter spread out over the course of a day.

I absolutely hate diet sodas. But I found one I actually like and have been substituting that a lot lately. Sunkist Orange Zero.

That's not too much. I could drink ginger ale all day long but I always try to limit myself to one can per day. If my weight is up even a tiny bit, I skip the ginger ale. I agree that it tastes good, but it's not really food, just tasty carbonated sugar water. Diet sodas aren't good for us either. In fact, some studies suggest they are worse than regular soda, so maybe if you're only drinking a half of liter per day, you should stick to your regular soda. Look it up if you have time.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

We would not be having to discuss SNAP so much if people's pay didn't suck so much.

And you still suffer from economic creationism here. Destroying bad jobs causes unemployment, not good jobs.

So the American taxpayer needs to subsidize the grocery and housing costs of workers that can't afford to live off of their wages. We can't increase the wages, as that will cause unemployment... why don't we just eliminate the wage and the Government pays for all the housing and groceries?

That sounds so Kilgore Trout.

 

[ZiprHead]

I did a lot of research about the soda thing and I learned a lot. First of all, the beverage industry has been lobbying for many years against removing soda from the SNAP benefit. No surprise there. I also learned that this soda thing started around 2004, so it's nothing new. It's just hard to change. Both Dems and Republicans in different administrations have been in favor of removing soda from the SNAP benefit.

Soda is also considered the primary reason for the extreme rise in obesity. Of course that's not always t he case. I know it's more complicated as some people seem to have a genetic predisposition to obesity.

I learned that it was originally thought that SNAP recipients would buy very little soda with their benefit but that turned out to be wrong. They spend a good deal on soda, something like 4 billion dollars per year. In fact, I read that the average SNAP recipient drinks an average of 7 sodas per week, while the average low income drinks about 5 and people in the middle and upper classes drink about 3.5. I might be off by a fraction since I'm going by memory, but the point is SNAP is being wasted on a high number of sodas. While obesity is a risk factor for many diseases, a lot of the problem also has to do with what made one obese. My husband's late grandmother was quite obese but she ate lots of healthy nuts and I don't remember ever seeing her drink a soda. She hate other healthy foods and while she did have some heart problems, she lived to be 94, with her health failing only in the last year or two of her life.

Soda is easy and lots of calories. I'm not surprised a lot of people buy it.

Maybe because it tastes good???

I go through a two liter about every four days, a half liter spread out over the course of a day.

I absolutely hate diet sodas. But I found one I actually like and have been substituting that a lot lately. Sunkist Orange Zero.

That's not too much. I could drink ginger ale all day long but I always try to limit myself to one can per day. If my weight is up even a tiny bit, I skip the ginger ale. I agree that it tastes good, but it's not really food, just tasty carbonated sugar water. Diet sodas aren't good for us either. In fact, some studies suggest they are worse than regular soda, so maybe if you're only drinking a half of liter per day, you should stick to your regular soda. Look it up if you have time.

Yes, I've heard that too. Yes, I know they are just empty non calories and better nutritional choices are available.

I actually drink V8 juice for breakfast, the spicy version. Loved the stuff since I was a kid.

 

[southernhybrid]

I did a lot of research about the soda thing and I learned a lot. First of all, the beverage industry has been lobbying for many years against removing soda from the SNAP benefit. No surprise there. I also learned that this soda thing started around 2004, so it's nothing new. It's just hard to change. Both Dems and Republicans in different administrations have been in favor of removing soda from the SNAP benefit.

Soda is also considered the primary reason for the extreme rise in obesity. Of course that's not always t he case. I know it's more complicated as some people seem to have a genetic predisposition to obesity.

I learned that it was originally thought that SNAP recipients would buy very little soda with their benefit but that turned out to be wrong. They spend a good deal on soda, something like 4 billion dollars per year. In fact, I read that the average SNAP recipient drinks an average of 7 sodas per week, while the average low income drinks about 5 and people in the middle and upper classes drink about 3.5. I might be off by a fraction since I'm going by memory, but the point is SNAP is being wasted on a high number of sodas. While obesity is a risk factor for many diseases, a lot of the problem also has to do with what made one obese. My husband's late grandmother was quite obese but she ate lots of healthy nuts and I don't remember ever seeing her drink a soda. She hate other healthy foods and while she did have some heart problems, she lived to be 94, with her health failing only in the last year or two of her life.

Soda is easy and lots of calories. I'm not surprised a lot of people buy it.

Maybe because it tastes good???

I go through a two liter about every four days, a half liter spread out over the course of a day.

I absolutely hate diet sodas. But I found one I actually like and have been substituting that a lot lately. Sunkist Orange Zero.

That's not too much. I could drink ginger ale all day long but I always try to limit myself to one can per day. If my weight is up even a tiny bit, I skip the ginger ale. I agree that it tastes good, but it's not really food, just tasty carbonated sugar water. Diet sodas aren't good for us either. In fact, some studies suggest they are worse than regular soda, so maybe if you're only drinking a half of liter per day, you should stick to your regular soda. Look it up if you have time.

Yes, I've heard that too. Yes, I know they are just empty non calories and better nutritional choices are available.

I actually drink V8 juice for breakfast, the spicy version. Loved the stuff since I was a kid.

I just read the other day, that orange juice, even the fresh squeezed stuff isn't good for us due to the sugar content, but over the past few months, Mr. Sohy and I have become addicted to having a glass of fresh squeezed orange juice every morning. I'm not giving up my orange juice! Oh no. We're off topic again.

 

[crazyfingers]

I hardly ever drink soda. I usually drink 1% milk, tap water with ice or the fruit flavored zero calorie bubbly water that my wife buys. Sparkling ICE. (Not the bad guys). Milk with breakfast. Water all day long and one of the others again at dinner.

Really the only times I recall having a soda is if I get a sub at the sub shop. But even then half the time I'll get a juice, Gatorade or an ice tea.