Toni
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1. I agree that racism still is a big problem north of the Mason-Dixon and that up north, it’s more subtle, more insidious. I’ve seen things that frankly stunned me. It’s been a long time since I spent time down south so I cannot compare the two.I'd just like to say a few words about the history of racism in the South v. the Northeast. Imo, and in the opinion of many Black people I've known or have worked with, who have lived in or spent a lot of time in the Northeast, all agree with me that racism is much worse in the North compared to the South these days. Of course, there are exceptions and Southern racists are much more obvious about their racism. That is something one former black coworker told me many years ago. She said she'd take a Southern racist over a Northern racist any day of the week because at least she knew were she stood with the Southern racist. I also met a black nurse who told me the same thing.
I'm extremely aware of the history of redlining and perhaps it still exists in some areas today, but my neighborhood in Georgia started becoming racially diverse around 2003, when my first black neighbor bought a house two doors down from me. Like me, she's an RN. My newest next door neighbors are a lovely mixed race couple with four kids, 3 who are young adults. There is a former black cop two doors from them, who now works as a security guard making more money. Then next to him was a city employee who decided he liked living in a rural area, but he sold his lovely home to a black family, and he made quite a bit of money on it, after updating it himself. There is also a black firefighter around the corner, a mixed race couple two doors from the RN, and a retired military officer near the end of my street. There are more black neighbors who I've never met and while the neighborhood is still majority white, we've come a long way. There are even black families living on the most desirable, most expensive street in my town. I've seen them walking their dogs etc.
I tease a close black friend who lives on the other side of town, that she needs more white neighbors since the last remaining one on her street moved out about 2 years ago. They moved because the renter next door had a large, vicious dog that was allowed to roam free, scaring the shit out of the 90 something year old white neighbor who had lived there for over 50 years. While her street has all black folks living on it now, most of whom are homeowners, the area is also racially diverse, despite having a lot of poverty near by. My friend and her husband have a nice little house and they paid off their mortgage several years ago.
Meanwhile, my sister has no black neighbors and I doubt there is a single black person in her town. it's a conservative town in New Jersey. I doubt any black professional would even want to live in such a place. My middle class neighborhood here in Indiana is somewhat racially diverse although it appears as if it's still majority white. So, I don't see any evidence of redlining these days, at least not in any of the places where I've lived in the past 20 or so years. Racism still exists, but let's not make up assumptions based on the distant past. Sadly, the current administration is taking us back to the past where racism was a much bigger problem compared to recent years.
About 50 years ago, when my first husband and I wanted to buy a house in San Antonio, the realtor wouldn't take us into majority Mexican American neighborhoods, but there were at least home owners in those areas. I was shocked to learn about such bigotry, but that was over 50 years ago. I have no idea if that attitude exists these days. I've never had a realtor say anything like that since those days and every neighborhood I've had a home in, with the exception of Destin, Florida, had at least some racial diversity. We lived in Destin in the early 90s and I never saw any black folks there at all. Back then, it was very affordable. Actually, now that I think of it, a black couple considered buying our house when we planned on moving, but decided against it. I worked with the woman in home health. Maybe they were looking for more diversity. She was the field supervisor and I was the office supervisor.
Let me finish by saying that I personally know some white Trump supporters who don't seem to be the least bit racist. One takes her dog to visit her black next door neighbor every evening because the woman's own dog died and she has some health problems that would make it hard for her to care for a new one. The Trump supporter gets all of her news from Newsmax, something she told me when we had a friendly discussion prior to the last election. She seems to be a good person based on what I know about her. She's just a victim of misinformation and let's say she's not very educated or able to realize she's been had by a man who hates people like her. There are also quite a few white MAGAs on my street in Georgia and I've never heard any of them complain about our black neighbors. If they do have racist tendencies, they've done a good job of hiding them. All of our schools are very racially diverse, even the ones that are the best rated. I volunteered at one over 20 years ago and was happy to see the black and white kids getting along. Mr. Sohy did some substitute teaching for a year or two after being laid off from his engineering job when the plant closed down. He loved that elementary school too. Of course, some schools are more racially diverse compared to others, but if a small town in Georgia can have neighborhoods as racially diverse as mine, I don't see that redlining is still a thing these days. People were falling told that their houses would depreciate if black people moving onto heir street. My late father believed that bullshit and I have an ironic story about that. He moved to a more affluent town out of fear of that happening. Right after they move in, I saw that one of their neighbors was Black. He thought she was the housekeeper, but she was the owner. Her husband was a physician, if I remember correctly. I had a good laugh out of that. I think that helped him see things in a better light. Yes. My father, despite voting for Obama and meaning well, certainly did have some racist tendencies at least in his younger days, due to the influences of his youth, growing up in NJ and never even knowing any black people personally.
When I was in high school back in the 60s, there were only about 20 or so black kids in a school that had almost 3000 students. The ones I got to know were all above my socioeconomic class. Their fathers were doctors and lawyers, but they all lived in one small upper middle class part of town. I have no idea if that was their choice or if it was easier to get loans there. I've read that the city I grew up in is a lot more racially diverse compared to the 60s, based on an article I've read in the NYT. I hope it stays that way. it's a lot more middle class compared to my sister's uppity town.
My point is that we shouldn't make lots of assumptions about people regardless of their ethnicity. People who have never lived in the South don't realize how far most of it has progressed when it comes to racial equality. Imo, classism is more of a problem these days compared to racism, generally speaking. In fact, I just read an editorial that agreed with that. Poor people regardless of race are the most discriminated against, based on what I've seen and what I've read. Another black friend of mine left Georgia for Alabama, at least partly due to the lower cost of living. Plus that was her home and she has some family there.
There will always be people who hate anyone who is the least bit different from themselves, regardless of the reasons. And, just wait until you get old. You will realize that agism is the last acceptable form of bigotry in the US. Not everyone is ageist, but there is a lot of it in this country. Just think of how the younger people talking about the older ones in Congress. I support term limits, not age limits. Nobody should be in Congress for decades and no judge should be appointed for life. But, I digress. And yes. We need more racial diversity in Congress. That's for sure. It will be very difficult to accomplish with the current administration.
2. I understand the point about term limits for elected officials and judges. I used to feel the same. But the fact is that the workings of our government are so complex that we need a huge number of civil servants who actually are responsible for carrying out policy, etc. and making sure that law makers are aware of unintended consequences. If we limited our law makers to a few tears, the power of the civil servants would vastly increase as they would truly be the experts.
I have mixed feelings about term limits on judges. While there certainly are judges I think should not be in their position, that’s not usually because of their age or length of tenure.
The fact is that the law and all aspects of our society are supposed to move smoothly regardless of who is at the helm. We’re seeing right now what happens when we have an incompetent, malevolent fool in charge. Why do you think Trump wants to get rid of all the civil servants?