How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[TV and credit cards]

Russia (is probably) sending drones to Denmark to disrupt our transport infrastructure. I think it's a flex by Russia and a warning. A warning to stay out of Ukraine. I'm in a position to know that Russia has been attacking the Danish power grid daily. Thousands of cyber attacks per day. Even Russian agents have been caught trying to sabotage it.

Denmark: Drone activity confirmed at multiple airports

The latest incidents come days after drones forced Copenhagen airport to close for several hours.

www.bbc.com

What do you guys think?

The Paper Bear thinks it's reach is far and wide. In spite of Russia's piss poor showing in Ukraine, Putin is still deluded about just who he is and where Russia stands on the world stage. Yes, this is mighty Russia warning puny nations to stay out of the fight.
Perhaps Russia is in dire economic trouble. That Putin knows Ukrainian reach on Russia's oil infrastructure cannot be stopped so this is a desperate attempt to scare other nations and sway opinion of their people against supporting Ukraine.
But I think Putin has long since crossed that line.

Putin has done great harm to Russia. He has reduced Russia to a third world terrorist state with nukes. Were it not for its current war production, who Russia is would be on full display. And after this war is over, if nations agree that Ukraine should get its just reparations, Russia will have largely just China and India to trade with still, who will take great advantage of the situation. And then in the years to come, this too will be the West's fault. After all, shouldn't we support Russia in stealing whatever part of Ukraine it demands to end the war and then immediately engage in robust trade with Russia? Isn't that the right thing to do? Doesn't that make sense in Russiathink?
So we should all just stand up and pronounce Russia a great nation, a world power both militarily and economically. Not the brain drained, fossil fuel dependent, morally bankrupt, corrupt nation it is, was, and will be.
That's what I think.

 

[barbos]

The Paper Bear.....

Paper trumper talking?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Russia (is probably) sending drones to Denmark to disrupt our transport infrastructure. I think it's a flex by Russia and a warning. A warning to stay out of Ukraine. I'm in a position to know that Russia has been attacking the Danish power grid daily. Thousands of cyber attacks per day. Even Russian agents have been caught trying to sabotage it.

Denmark: Drone activity confirmed at multiple airports

The latest incidents come days after drones forced Copenhagen airport to close for several hours.

www.bbc.com

What do you guys think?

The Paper Bear thinks it's reach is far and wide. In spite of Russia's piss poor showing in Ukraine, Putin is still deluded about just who he is and where Russia stands on the world stage. Yes, this is mighty Russia warning puny nations to stay out of the fight.
Perhaps Russia is in dire economic trouble. That Putin knows Ukrainian reach on Russia's oil infrastructure cannot be stopped so this is a desperate attempt to scare other nations and sway opinion of their people against supporting Ukraine.
But I think Putin has long since crossed that line.

Putin has done great harm to Russia. He has reduced Russia to a third world terrorist state with nukes. Were it not for its current war production, who Russia is would be on full display. And after this war is over, if nations agree that Ukraine should get its just reparations, Russia will have largely just China and India to trade with still, who will take great advantage of the situation. And then in the years to come, this too will be the West's fault. After all, shouldn't we support Russia in stealing whatever part of Ukraine it demands to end the war and then immediately engage in robust trade with Russia? Isn't that the right thing to do? Doesn't that make sense in Russiathink?
So we should all just stand up and pronounce Russia a great nation, a world power both militarily and economically. Not the brain drained, fossil fuel dependent, morally bankrupt, corrupt nation it is, was, and will be.
That's what I think.

Is he deluded? Is he? He's attacked Ukraine for no other reason than to spread an empire and the rest of the world have done barely anything to help. When Putin sent troops into Donbas and Luhansk to stir up a pretend civil war, (that he could intervene in) the rest of the world did nothing.

The west is weak and pathetic right now. Putin accurately spotted that and is taking advantage of it.

Unfortunately I think Putin is absolutely correct. I think Russia will win this war.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Considering how the Ukraine war is going, I think Putin will win, then just go on to invade the Baltic countries. At that point the west will wake up and push back. China will see an opportunity and then we’ll have WW3 on our hands.

I think that's a plausible scenario, unless we commit troops and stop Russia now

 

[barbos]

He has reduced Russia to a third world terrorist state with nukes

Utter bullshit. It's NATO and their Kiev Regime who reduced themselves to terrorist states.
Russia has proven that it can withstand NATO aggression, both militarily and economically.
Western neocon scum don't even have support in the west itself. In Poland, Germany and France, they trust their current government less than Russian. Russia has support of India, Brazil and most of Middle East and Africa governments and people.

 

[barbos]

I think that's a plausible scenario, unless we commit troops and stop Russia now

You would have to parachute yourself, cause none of the border countries (even NATO) will allow passage of your troops.
Yep, Poland,Romania are not going to war with Russia. Slovakia and and Hungary would laugh at you.

 

[aupmanyav]

What do you guys think?

Two groups wanting a fight. I think 'keep away'.

 

[Harry Bosch]

What do you guys think?

Two groups wanting a fight. I think 'keep away'.

Sorry, but you keep repeating Russian nonsense. Ukraine doesn't want this war. They agreed to a ceasefire. Russia said niet. It is Russia that is invading their land. They don't want Russian land. Russia has said that it is open to a "ceasefire" if Ukraine gives up more of its land, disarms, and only allows Russian troops in to keep the peace. Is that a peace agreement that your country would accept with Pakistan?

 

[barbos]

What do you guys think?

Two groups wanting a fight. I think 'keep away'.

Sorry, but you keep repeating Russian nonsense. Ukraine doesn't want this war. They agreed to a ceasefire. Russia said niet. It is Russia that is invading their land. They don't want Russian land. Russia has said that it is open to a "ceasefire" if Ukraine gives up more of its land, disarms, and only allows Russian troops in to keep the peace. Is that a peace agreement that your country would accept with Pakistan?

You are the one repeating neocon nonsense and lies.
However you are right, Russia did refuse ceasefire.
Nazi scum did offer ceasefire and we refused, cause we are not idiots.

 

[Harry Bosch]

What do you guys think?

Two groups wanting a fight. I think 'keep away'.

Sorry, but you keep repeating Russian nonsense. Ukraine doesn't want this war. They agreed to a ceasefire. Russia said niet. It is Russia that is invading their land. They don't want Russian land. Russia has said that it is open to a "ceasefire" if Ukraine gives up more of its land, disarms, and only allows Russian troops in to keep the peace. Is that a peace agreement that your country would accept with Pakistan?

You are the one repeating neocon nonsense and lies.

Are the terms as I described them above not what Putin wants? Yes or no? Disarm + no peacekeepers + give up defensive positions = future easy Russian conquest. True or False? (Actually, this is a fucking joke. You admit over and over that Russia will continue to invade Ukraine until it has stolen the entire country. Just read your own fucking words!)

 

[Elixir]

Just read your own fucking words!)

He doesn’t have his own words, he’s a Putin parrot.

 

[barbos]

What do you guys think?

Two groups wanting a fight. I think 'keep away'.

Sorry, but you keep repeating Russian nonsense. Ukraine doesn't want this war. They agreed to a ceasefire. Russia said niet. It is Russia that is invading their land. They don't want Russian land. Russia has said that it is open to a "ceasefire" if Ukraine gives up more of its land, disarms, and only allows Russian troops in to keep the peace. Is that a peace agreement that your country would accept with Pakistan?

You are the one repeating neocon nonsense and lies.

Are the terms as I described them above not what Putin wants? Yes or no? Disarm + no peacekeepers + give up defensive positions = future easy Russian conquest. True or False? (Actually, this is a fucking joke. You admit over and over that Russia will continue to invade Ukraine until it has stolen the entire country. Just read your own fucking words!)

Yes, at present I want all Ukraine be occupied and their current government publicly executed.
But this is now. Original offer was much more acceptable to ukrainian regime, they refused becasue neocon scum convinced them they can win. Well, did not work out, so payback is in order.

 

[Harry Bosch]

What do you guys think?

Two groups wanting a fight. I think 'keep away'.

Sorry, but you keep repeating Russian nonsense. Ukraine doesn't want this war. They agreed to a ceasefire. Russia said niet. It is Russia that is invading their land. They don't want Russian land. Russia has said that it is open to a "ceasefire" if Ukraine gives up more of its land, disarms, and only allows Russian troops in to keep the peace. Is that a peace agreement that your country would accept with Pakistan?

You are the one repeating neocon nonsense and lies.

Are the terms as I described them above not what Putin wants? Yes or no? Disarm + no peacekeepers + give up defensive positions = future easy Russian conquest. True or False? (Actually, this is a fucking joke. You admit over and over that Russia will continue to invade Ukraine until it has stolen the entire country. Just read your own fucking words!)

Yes, at present I want all Ukraine be occupied and their current government publicly executed.
But this is now. Original offer was much more acceptable to ukrainian regime, they refused becasue neocon scum convinced them they can win.

Then why all the bullshit?? Let's call it as it is. Russia wants war. Ukraine does not want to be conquered. Clearly, Russia will invade more countries if they are successful after Ukraine. So the choice is simple, back the invader or back the defender.

 

[barbos]

What do you guys think?

Two groups wanting a fight. I think 'keep away'.

Sorry, but you keep repeating Russian nonsense. Ukraine doesn't want this war. They agreed to a ceasefire. Russia said niet. It is Russia that is invading their land. They don't want Russian land. Russia has said that it is open to a "ceasefire" if Ukraine gives up more of its land, disarms, and only allows Russian troops in to keep the peace. Is that a peace agreement that your country would accept with Pakistan?

You are the one repeating neocon nonsense and lies.

Are the terms as I described them above not what Putin wants? Yes or no? Disarm + no peacekeepers + give up defensive positions = future easy Russian conquest. True or False? (Actually, this is a fucking joke. You admit over and over that Russia will continue to invade Ukraine until it has stolen the entire country. Just read your own fucking words!)

Yes, at present I want all Ukraine be occupied and their current government publicly executed.
But this is now. Original offer was much more acceptable to ukrainian regime, they refused becasue neocon scum convinced them they can win.

Then why all the bullshit?? Let's call it as it is. Russia wants war. Ukraine does not want to be conquered. Clearly, Russia will invade more countries if they are successful after Ukraine. So the choice is simple, back the invader or back the defender.

There is no bullshit from me. All the bullshit is coming from you. You fucking started this war and when it became clear that you are losing you asked for ..... ceasefire. This is fucking insulting!
Imagine Hitler asking for ceasefire in 1945.

I am sorry but you are not getting rest to regroup and start the war again.
Putin still offers a deal which saves most of the Ukraine. I personally think it's a bad deal for Russia. Mainly because the West can not be trusted. Hence I am for full occupation and integration back into Russia.
Ukraine is not capable to be a decent neighbor. Georgia is and this is why they are not occupied by Russia. But Ukraine is not and should be occupied and the whole country denazified.

 

[Harry Bosch]

What do you guys think?

Two groups wanting a fight. I think 'keep away'.

Sorry, but you keep repeating Russian nonsense. Ukraine doesn't want this war. They agreed to a ceasefire. Russia said niet. It is Russia that is invading their land. They don't want Russian land. Russia has said that it is open to a "ceasefire" if Ukraine gives up more of its land, disarms, and only allows Russian troops in to keep the peace. Is that a peace agreement that your country would accept with Pakistan?

You are the one repeating neocon nonsense and lies.

Are the terms as I described them above not what Putin wants? Yes or no? Disarm + no peacekeepers + give up defensive positions = future easy Russian conquest. True or False? (Actually, this is a fucking joke. You admit over and over that Russia will continue to invade Ukraine until it has stolen the entire country. Just read your own fucking words!)

Yes, at present I want all Ukraine be occupied and their current government publicly executed.
But this is now. Original offer was much more acceptable to ukrainian regime, they refused becasue neocon scum convinced them they can win.

Then why all the bullshit?? Let's call it as it is. Russia wants war. Ukraine does not want to be conquered. Clearly, Russia will invade more countries if they are successful after Ukraine. So the choice is simple, back the invader or back the defender.

There is no bullshit from me. All the bullshit is coming from you. You fucking started this war and when it became clear that you are losing you asked for ..... ceasefire. This is fucking insulting!
Imagine Hitler asking for ceasefire in 1945.

Just read your words above! I responded to Aupmanyav (who has a very naive view of Russia) that Russia does not want peace with Ukraine. Then you responded to my post as "repeating neocon nonsense and lies". That is your direct quote above. You've done this continuously in this thread from day 1. You want to live in a world where some view Russia as the good guys while you conquer land and kill people. Your side does not want peace. Diplomacy is not going to work. The world needs to come together and send whatever we can to Ukraine to help them. Then we need to triple the defenses in the Nato countries. We need to prepare for more Russian incursions (drone and fight jets) into Nato lands. Russia does not respect boundaries. And we need to prepare for war with Russia.

 

[barbos]

Just read your words above! I responded to Aupmanyav (who has a very naive view of Russia) that Russia does not want peace with Ukraine. Then you responded to my post as "repeating neocon nonsense and lies".

Russia wants peace just fine. It's just impossible as long as Ukraine is under control of nazis.

 

[barbos]

We need to prepare for more Russian incursions (drone and fight jets) into Nato lands.

There was no russian incursions of anything into NATO lands.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Just read your words above! I responded to Aupmanyav (who has a very naive view of Russia) that Russia does not want peace with Ukraine. Then you responded to my post as "repeating neocon nonsense and lies".

Russia wants peace just fine. It's just impossible as long as Ukraine is under control of nazis.

Again, you just can't stop with the bullshit! If Ukranine's Jewish President stepped down today, the Russian invasion would continue. I'd done with this BS. We will see who will win in the long term: the west and democracy; or Russia. And we need to start cutting off countries that deal with Russia. It's insane and needs to be corrected when someone in the west buys a product made from either Russia or a country that helps Russia. These transactions are helping Russia continue their war.

 

[barbos]

Putin should have invaded Ukraine the moment they made Bandera a hero of Ukraine.
Or at least cut the gas off.

 

[barbos]

Again, you just can't stop with the bullshit! If Ukranine's Jewish President stepped down today,

Not this "I have black friends" shit again.
Your fucking jewish president was clapping to WW2 jew killing nazi in Canada.
Regime in Ukraine is a nazi regime. Literally WW2 nazi.
I have zero tolerance to nazis, sorry.