According to Robert Sapolsky, human free will does not exist

[steve_bank]

Round and round we go, where it stops nobody knows, Weeee!!!!

Remember a playground merry go round? A metaphor for philisophi9call debate?

 

[steve_bank]

I don't think I asked you for examples of anything

You specifically stated that all philosophy on such subjects should come with concrete examples.

The game is a concrete example.

I am not asking for you to play it to have fun; you MIGHT have fun, but all the icons are so very tiny that you might have a hard time.

The reason I suggest it is because it is exactly as I said: an example of all of these concepts of this thread laid bare.

As the saying goes one pixcture is worth a thou ind words.

Your your long somewhat incoherent, at least to me, referncng adwares in a video game is no concrete examples.

May I suggest a liittle formality for clarity.

Using a video game I will demonstrate the chronicles of a,b,c ....

In the game adwares will do x,y,z destrng a,b,c

Concrete examples are specific instances or real-life scenarios that illustrate abstract concepts or ideas. They provide a bridge between theoretical knowledge and practical application, making it easier for our brains to grasp and remember information.Mar 1, 2024

Metaphysics deals with abstractions. Concrete examples tie metaphysics/philosophy to reality.

Using metaphysics to demonstrate metaphysics is akin to Christian theology.

I see no way to demonstrate free will or determinism. I can freely choose between two things, but there is no way to know if the presented choices are predestined and your choice predetermined.

You can look at science as metaphysical abstractions which it is, but the abstractions are tied to the phys cl second, meter, ad kilogram connecting the abstractions to reality.

Words are abstractions in our brains tied to physical reality. Like the word rock. Some wrds are abstrct by nature like spirit, soul.

So when it comes to freewill and determinism with many definitions all abstractions which can not be tied to physical reality as we perceive it.

Abstractions in the sense the Christian god is an abstraction with complicated metaphysics,.

I don't demonstrate that the universe is deterministic; rather I use a concrete example of a known deterministic system to illustrate all of the meaning under the language I use around and about "freedoms" and "wills".

The Christian God:EinSof is not a heavy metaphysical abstraction, though. It's literally just 'the set of all sets', which we know is nonsense from foundational set theory.

I have quite clearly tied the concepts to the game, so if you want to see the picture worth a thousand words, you have to get off your high horse and learn why "losing is fun!"

Quite seriously, you are not clear to me. You drift in and out of video games, simulations, and philosophy.

From what I see people immersed in video games can look at reality trough video games as Christians look through the bible and theology. I have no doubt in the global game comu8nty ere are philosophies and metaphors based in video games. A modern myt6holgy of sorts.

Video games are not real.

I do not drink the video game Kool-Aid.

 

[Jarhyn]

Quite seriously, you are not clear to me. You drift in and out of video games, simulations, and philosophy

Well, that's your own problem. I told you exactly why: video games and simulations are philosophy, executed in a wholely different way than you might expect: they give functional, grounded examples around which strong descriptions of language are possible.

I have invited you to "see my language in action".

That's all. That's the entirety of it

My assertion, now backed up by Measure Theory, is that computer science (and thus simulations and video games) have deep linguistic connections to set theory that pop up in wholely unexpected ways, and that math and set theory IS philosophy and metaphysics. So video games, by extension, are set theory and applied metaphysics.

To me, these are all the same subject, and you can learn about one by learning about the other.

You can learn metaphysics by studying the rules around simulations and understand "possible worlds" as a concept by observing actual worlds.

You can understand autonomy by studying autonomous things.

You can understand wills by seeing things with wills of their own.

You can understand the various concepts about gods by rolling up your sleeves and playing god for a while.

Video games ARE simulations and simulations ARE philosophy and metaphysical investigations.