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Another victim of progressive judges, Chicago

I suppose for some people it's just easier not to think, out of sight, out of mind. Let's not fund any programs for the mentally ill. Fuck those guys. Oh look, a mentally ill person harming someone. Quick Trump, send in the marines! That won't cost me any money. :cheer:
 
I suppose for some people it's just easier not to think, out of sight, out of mind. Let's not fund any programs for the mentally ill. Fuck those guys. Oh look, a mentally ill person harming someone. Quick Trump, send in the marines! That won't cost me any money. :cheer:
You must admit, if there was an armed marine on every corner of every city in America at all times, and most of our citizens were seving life sentences in sprawling prison camps, crime outside the camps would go down considerably. Finally, freedom from fear! Just like George Washington dreamed for us all those centuries ago.
 
I am with Zipr on this. Chicago Police did their job, they arrested this piece of shit 72 times. The problem is the woke prosecutors and judges that keep releasing criminals like him.

The national guard was tongue in cheek but I think this was more to do with the judge who let him go. Apparently the prosecutor is not pleased with this judge.
 
Perhaps it is time to send in the National Guard

Can you explain how the NG could have stopped this?
Or anything, for that matter?
How about this?

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Jail cells aren't therapy, or this man would be the picture of health by now.
Nice strawman. Nobody here has all the details on his lengthy criminal history or expertise on his current mental state so its a little presumptuous to assume therapy is the proper place for him or even if it will change his ways.. And in fact, after his charge previous to this incident (aggravated battery), prosecutors recommended that he be in jail, but the judge rejected that and put him on home confinement:

Loop violence puts renewed scrutiny on Cook County's troubled home monitoring program

On Monday, Fox 32 learned that county prosecutors forcefully argued that Reed should be in jail, but a judge ordered him into home confinement on the chief judge's adult probation program. CWB Chicago reported Reed had violated his curfew and wasn't even supposed to be out on the street.

Regardless of whether jail or a mental health facility is the right place for him, its insane to me that someone with his violent history and flagrant disregard of the rule of law is on an ankle monitoring program and has access to the streets. Seems to me that that should be reserved for non-violent offenders or those who have been successfully rehabilitated.

FYI, a woman who was previous assaulted randomly by this guy in 2021 has told her story:

Previous victim of CTA fire attack suspect details 2021 punching attack
 
The woman set alight by a lunatic on a Chicago metro train has a 'long road ahead of her' after suffering burns to 60 percent of her body, her family said. Bethany MaGee, 26, was doused in gasoline and set alight on the city's Blue Line on November 17, but managed to flee the train and survive. The man police named as her attacker, 50-year-old Lawrence Reed, is a serial criminal with 72 prior arrests freed months earlier by a judge after he allegedly attacked a social worker. [.quote]

Daily Mail

Perhaps it is time to send in the National Guard
National Guard + Mental Health Illness = No more mental health illness related crimes?

Man, it must be nice to think it'd be that easy. No wonder you suffer from so much confusion.
 
...Nobody here has ... expertise on his current mental state so its a little presumptuous to assume therapy is the proper place for him or even if it will change his ways.. ...

Hold on there. There have been two articles posted in this thread: one called him a lunatic, the other a maniac, and one noted he attacked a hospital social worker. Why do you think he was interacting with a hospital social worker in the first place?

You claimed I was "assuming" things. I am not assuming; I am concluding based on sources and behavior. His repeated violent acts—including starting fires—combined with the nonsensical, random nature of his behavior, are entirely consistent with severe mental illness. If you dislike that conclusion, please argue against it with evidence rather than dismissing it as an assumption.

In the meantime, here is a 3rd article that settles it:
Mr Reed, 50, has a history of mental illness and has been arrested 72 times since he turned 18, according to a Chicago affiliate of the BBC's partner CBS News.

What is your alternative hypothesis? That he is sane? That conclusion is so detached from reality that the conclusion itself needs medication.

Here are even more details on the attack prior to this one, explaining why he was on an electronic monitor:
At the time of the attack, Reed was on electronic monitoring after a Cook County judge declined to hold him in jail on an aggravated battery charge stemming from accusations that he hit a social worker at MacNeal Hospital Psychiatry and Behavioral Health in west suburban Berwyn.

The inference that he has serious mental health issues is correct. The real question is: Why was he out on the streets?

The answer lies in our broken healthcare infrastructure and the defunding of mental institutions. We are currently forcing the mentally ill through a criminal justice system that is not designed to treat them.

Consider the timeline: He is mentally unstable. He attacks a social worker at a psychiatric ward during treatment. The legal system then asks: should he stand trial for battery? We have a long history of case law regarding mental incompetence, but because we have largely dismantled the state mental institution system, judges are left with no viable options.

Sending a mentally ill person to jail often exacerbates their condition without treating the cause. Putting them on a monitoring program with outpatient therapy is a risk, as we saw here. The judge is forced to choose between two terrible options because the third option—involuntary commitment to a well-funded, secure mental health facility—largely no longer exists.

This situation required a hearing to determine his mental disposition, not just a standard criminal bail hearing. But again, that would require a system where the adjudicator has the power to place Reed in a secure medical facility.

This is a tragedy, but let’s be clear about what it is not. This is not evidence of a "career criminal"—a sane person rationally choosing to commit crimes for personal gain. Nor is it a justification for the fascist pipe dream of using the National Guard to purge the "undesirables."

It is evidence of a broken mental health system, and the direction we choose to fix it is up to us.
 
Jail cells aren't therapy, or this man would be the picture of health by now.

Well I hope the young lady can recover and live with some kind of happiness after such trauma.

Compare and contrast.
Are you under the delusion that you are anything like WAB? WAB is genuinely (and rightly) concerned about the victim of the crime. You have expressed no such sentiment. You are complaining about the governor, the state budget, "progressive judges", and everything else under the sun except the well-being of the actual victim, who is not helped in any way by you turning her into a political prop. We could impeach the governor, fire the judge, reverse the ruling, execute her attacker, and adopt an austerity budget, and none of that would help Bethany in the slightest. You are in fact averse to Obama's healthcare reforms, iirc, snd thus feel that Bethany's insurance company should be allowed to refuse to cover the reconstruction of her face, since it is cosmetic surgery. Correct? Incorrect? If incorrect, please feel free to explain how you do think emergency care for poor Californians should go.
 
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Are you under the delusion that you are anything like WAB? WAB is genuinely (and rightly) concerned about the victim of the crime.
lol, your concern is for the perpetrator. Certainly not for the victim. You are so predictable. Change your handle to “The Mailman”, you always deliver.

You have expressed no such sentiment.

Sure, Jan.

The rest of your screed is just a load of ad hominem attacks, straw men and piffle.
 
Are you under the delusion that you are anything like WAB? WAB is genuinely (and rightly) concerned about the victim of the crime.
lol, your concern is for the perpetrator. Certainly not for the victim. You are so predictable. Change your handle to “The Mailman”, you always deliver.

You have expressed no such sentiment.

Sure, Jan.

The rest of your screed is just a load of ad hominem attacks, straw men and piffle.
Quiet piggy.
 
lol, your concern is for the perpetrator.
No, my concern is that you are using sensational news headlines to justify attacking our collective civil rights and the rule of law in the United States, while ignoring the question of how to actually address or reduce the very crimes you decry.

The rest of your screed is just a load of ad hominem attacks, straw men and piffle.
An interesting way of admitting that you have no answers to the questions raised.
 
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lol, your concern is for the perpetrator.
No, my concern is that you are using sensational news headlines
Sensational news headlines?!! Bethany MaGee was doused with gasoline and set on fire on public transport ffs!! But it seems the least of your concerns are with the victim.

to justify attacking our collective civil rights and the rule of law in the United States,
What on earth are you on about now? Is it really too much to expect that a girl takes public transport and finish her journey without being set on fire by a lunatic that should not have been out of jail? How is that attacking civil rights?

while ignoring the question of how to actually address or reduce the very crimes you decry.
I think that if the judge had sent Reed to prison, Ms MaGee would not be in hospital right now. That’s a crime I decry.

The rest of your screed is just a load of ad hominem attacks, straw men and piffle.
An interesting way of admitting that you have no answers to the questions raised.

Sure, Jan.
 
lol, your concern is for the perpetrator.
No, my concern is that you are using sensational news headlines
Sensational news headlines?!! Bethany MaGee was doused with gasoline and set on fire on public transport ffs!! But it seems the least of your concerns are with the victim.

to justify attacking our collective civil rights and the rule of law in the United States,
What on earth are you on about now? Is it really too much to expect that a girl takes public transport and finish her journey without being set on fire by a lunatic that should not have been out of jail?
Jail does not cure "lunatics".

How is that attacking civil rights?

while ignoring the question of how to actually address or reduce the very crimes you decry.
I think that if the judge had sent Reed to prison, Ms MaGee would not be in hospital right now. That’s a crime I decry.
Then the "crime you decry" is the justice system functioning according to the law, rather than the grievous injury done to Bethany MaGee.
 
lol, your concern is for the perpetrator.
No, my concern is that you are using sensational news headlines
Sensational news headlines?!! Bethany MaGee was doused with gasoline and set on fire on public transport ffs!! But it seems the least of your concerns are with the victim.

to justify attacking our collective civil rights and the rule of law in the United States,
What on earth are you on about now? Is it really too much to expect that a girl takes public transport and finish her journey without being set on fire by a lunatic that should not have been out of jail?
Jail does not cure "lunatics".
More tears for Reed.

How is that attacking civil rights?

while ignoring the question of how to actually address or reduce the very crimes you decry.
I think that if the judge had sent Reed to prison, Ms MaGee would not be in hospital right now. That’s a crime I decry.
Then the "crime you decry" is the justice system functioning according to the law, rather than the grievous injury done to Bethany MaGee.

The judge could have and should have lawfully incarcerated Reed in accordance with the prosecution’s recommendations/wishes.

The state's attorney's office in Chicago has spoken out after it was revealed that a circuit judge approved the release of a violent arrestee who then allegedly set a woman on fire during her commute.
This heinous crime is heartbreaking. But it didn’t come out of nowhere. My office requested the perpetrator be detained after he committed a previous violent crime,' State's Attorney Eileen O'Neill Burke said. 'The judge denied our request. This was a tragedy. But it never should have happened.'

Daily Mail
 
lol, your concern is for the perpetrator.
No, my concern is that you are using sensational news headlines
Sensational news headlines?!! Bethany MaGee was doused with gasoline and set on fire on public transport ffs!! But it seems the least of your concerns are with the victim.

to justify attacking our collective civil rights and the rule of law in the United States,
What on earth are you on about now? Is it really too much to expect that a girl takes public transport and finish her journey without being set on fire by a lunatic that should not have been out of jail?
Jail does not cure "lunatics".
More tears for Reed.
Who is crying for the murderer? Not me. I am telling you that your "solution" of what to do about violent crime in no way solves the crime. Extravagant symbolic acts of cruelty may be emotionally satisfying to child-like minds, but it does not reduce the rate of violent crime.

How is that attacking civil rights?

while ignoring the question of how to actually address or reduce the very crimes you decry.
I think that if the judge had sent Reed to prison, Ms MaGee would not be in hospital right now. That’s a crime I decry.
Then the "crime you decry" is the justice system functioning according to the law, rather than the grievous injury done to Bethany MaGee.

The judge could have and should have lawfully incarcerated Reed in accordance with the prosecution’s recommendations/wishes.

The state's attorney's office in Chicago has spoken out after it was revealed that a circuit judge approved the release of a violent arrestee who then allegedly set a woman on fire during her commute.
This heinous crime is heartbreaking. But it didn’t come out of nowhere. My office requested the perpetrator be detained after he committed a previous violent crime,' State's Attorney Eileen O'Neill Burke said. 'The judge denied our request. This was a tragedy. But it never should have happened.'

Daily Mail
You're just restating what I said, that your true objection is to our system of law.
 
Who is crying for the murderer? Not me. I am telling you that your "solution" of what to do about violent crime in no way solves the crime. Extravagant symbolic acts of cruelty may be emotionally satisfying to child-like minds, but it does not reduce the rate of violent crime.

I know for certain that if Reed had been in prison, Ms Magee would not be in hospital suffering from horrific burns.

You're just restating what I said, that your true objection is to our system of law.

My objection is with a judge who let a violent criminal out of prison.
 
Who is crying for the murderer? Not me. I am telling you that your "solution" of what to do about violent crime in no way solves the crime. Extravagant symbolic acts of cruelty may be emotionally satisfying to child-like minds, but it does not reduce the rate of violent crime.

I know for certain that if Reed had been in prison, Ms Magee would not be in hospital suffering from horrific burns.

You're just restating what I said, that your true objection is to our system of law.

My objection is with a judge who let a violent criminal out of prison.
Mr Reed was not in prison. So your objection is based on misinformation.
 
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