barbos
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Great idea, someone should kidnap Trump then
How should west respond to potential (likely) U.S. invasion of Venezuela?
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DrZoidberg
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Sure. But he toppled the govornment. The govornment there was in power empowered by the constitution. Trump could have done what he wanted. But I get your point. All Trump did was put a whatever in place until the next election and let the Venezuelans decide
You honestly think that Trump believes in free and fair elections? Where the fuck have you been son?
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I didn't say that. But that seems to be his strategy in this case. I will likely change my mind if new evidence of the contrary emerges.
I don't believe Trump believes in democracy. But I believe the Americans generally do. And that's actually more important.
That is naive as fuck. Trump's cabinet has the largest concentration of billionaire oligarchs in US history. They're not known for giving a fuck about the will of the people.
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He already has suspended US democracy, and nothing has happened to him. The Secret Service guards for some absurd reason (beyond professional pride and duty) are intensely loyal to him, and would shoot their own families before shooting Trump.
Are you channelling RVonse (actually I don't think even he is this naive). Sacrifices??!! You have obviously already forgotten WWII where the rest of the world sacrificed themselves to give the USA time to get involved in the war against fascism. Other nations continually make sacrifices that the USA and you are deliberately ignoring. The USA has plenty of spare money to spend on welfare if it chooses, but prefers to give money through tax cuts, gifts, and other means to the super-rich. The amount USA spends on defense is overstated; much of it is swallowed by inefficiency of defense money expenditure, which is another way of subsidizing rich corporations. It also gets much of its money back via subsidies from other nations that buy US weapons at inflated prices. US life expectancy is tied to their greedy health insurance companies, super charged hospital pricing, and inefficient health care system, and uncaring medical laws such as those that murder women who need medical abortions, and through uncaring about those too poor for health care. Their having medical insurance tied to the company a person works for is also ridiculous.
The US deserves a little credit, not much. The USA also invented modern religious intolerance and modern racism.
All major nations do a lot of scientific research. The USA has an advantage in that it has large scale stealing of researchers from other nations, and having more wealth, so obviously it should be expected to be doing more scientific research. Incidentally Trump has cut back on much of this research.
There are much worse things going on in the world than what a minor dictator was doing. These include in the USA with its treatment of the homeless, many school shootings, illegal ICE activities, and many more bad things. You don't know the limits of how badly Trump can fail.
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According to whom?
SoS implies the US is overseeing Venezuela. President Trump is saying the US is running Venezuela.
Additionally, Venezuela had elections under the existing system and Maduro refused to cede power. That implies that the Constitution probably is viable.
No, Maduro violated their Constitution by remaining in power.
Where are you getting your info from? The VP is currentpy in charge based on their Constitution as the President is gone. Trump hasn't done anything regarding the governance in Venezuela other than removing the President.
It seems like the Trump Admin hoped removing Maduro and no one else would magically change how Venezuela is run.
barbos
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EU condemns Russia for US invasion it Venezuela:
barbos
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Well, the VP had a phone call with Trump already. So.....
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With the SoS Rubio.
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Z’s naïveté is stunning.
Trump could have let the opposition leaders take over or hold elections. But NOOoo.
HE KEPT THE CORRUPT MADURO GOVERNMENT AND SIMPLY REPLACED NICOLAS WITH HIMSELF. ITS NOW EVEN MORE, NOT LESS, CORRUPT!
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A couple of things to add...
(1) Trump has said of newly sworn in President Rodriguez that she will remain in power so long as "she does what we want."
(2) At least 40 Venezuelans (troops and civilians) were killed during the kidnapping of Maduro. Some 32 Cuban soldiers were also killed. The tally of Venezuelans killed is changing over time as more information is found out about the dead.
(1) Trump has said of newly sworn in President Rodriguez that she will remain in power so long as "she does what we want."
(2) At least 40 Venezuelans (troops and civilians) were killed during the kidnapping of Maduro. Some 32 Cuban soldiers were also killed. The tally of Venezuelans killed is changing over time as more information is found out about the dead.
DrZoidberg
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USA attacked and took over the country. Are you questioning that?
The new US rulers can do what they will with the country. Are you denying that?
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Keep in mind, Trump is asking US Oil companies to put down real money to redevelop an oil market... of which there is no guarantee they'll see profit from.
Venezuela has a ton of oil... in very dirty tar sands, which requires oil to be above a certain relatively high threshold to be profitable. Also, Venezuela has been producing 2 million barrels a day, who exactly is going to inherit those producing wells? This isn't quite as simple as everyone wants to think it is.
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Not me, the US Secretary of State Marco Rubio is debunking that.
Rubio has more sway than I have ever since the Administration caught on that I wasn't Steve Bannon.article said:
The US removed the President. The remaining entirety of Maduro's government is still in power. The US is trying to go the cattle prod method of making Venezuela do what the US wants.
Are you even reading the news?
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An interesting side note. OKLO is up over 12% for the day. Understand, the sanguine attitudes toward oil futures is largely driven by the anticipated needs of AI data centers propping up prices and demand. OKLO and it’s competitors (LEU, SMR etc) are all up 5-15% today. The press on them is uniformly “is XYZ overvalued?” But the sentiment seems to be that Trump’s South American mess is going to help the nuclear sector - fast micro-reactors in particular.
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No he didn’t. Maduro’s VP is ostensibly in charge. All Trump did was replace Mduro’s corrupt ass with his own fat corrupt ass. He is running the very same corrupt government that Madura was running.
barbos
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Even better.