Wisconin police officer shoots and kills unarmed 19 yr old black man

[laughing dog]

The all too familiar story:

Koval said police were called about 6:30 p.m. Friday because Robinson was jumping into traffic. A second call to police said the man was "responsible for a battery," Koval said.
Kenny went to an apartment and forced his way inside after hearing a disturbance. Koval said the officer was assaulted by Robinson, and then fired at him. Koval said Saturday afternoon that he couldn't say how many shots were fired because it is part of the investigation.

(source http://www.cbsnews.com/news/madison-police-chief-unarmed-black-teen-shot-by-veteran-white-officer/).

However

The 19-year-old black man who was shot and killed by a veteran white officer was unarmed, Madison's police chief said Saturday.Tony Robinson Jr. was shot Friday night after an altercation in which Officer Matt Kenny, 45, was knocked down by a blow to the head, Chief Mike Koval said. He added it wasn't clear whether Robinson, who died at a hospital, was alone in the apartment where the shooting happened, which neighbors said was where Robinson lived."He was unarmed. That's going to make this all the more complicated for the investigators, for the public to accept," Koval said.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is troubling on a number of levels.

Did the person know the officer was following him? Did he have any reason to think an officer was following him. This is crucial because otherwise, there is a man breaking into his home and he is protecting his property and himself, which is a legal right. If the officer failed to clearly note who he was, he is significantly responsible for an assault on himself.

 

[repoman]

I wonder what the size difference between the two was.

If for example the cop was muscly 6'2" and the suspect a thin 5'4" then it would play out that the cop in the apartment should have easily been able to take him down.

If in the other direction that cop was very dumb to not wait and get in close quarters with a guy who could take him.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Under new law, police shootings in Wisconsin are investigated by the state, not internally.

A lot of people will be following this.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Under new law, police shootings in Wisconsin are investigated by the state, not internally.

A lot of people will be following this.

The State as in Scott Walker's administration?

 

[PyramidHead]

This is troubling on a number of levels.

Did the person know the officer was following him? Did he have any reason to think an officer was following him. This is crucial because otherwise, there is a man breaking into his home and he is protecting his property and himself, which is a legal right. If the officer failed to clearly note who he was, he is significantly responsible for an assault on himself.

Yeah, there was a thread on reddit or something recently where someone suggested that all police officers should be subjected to random police raids by other police departments, so they can experience firsthand the confusion of being in that position. Especially at night when it wakes you up.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Under new law, police shootings in Wisconsin are investigated by the state, not internally.

A lot of people will be following this.

The State as in Scott Walker's administration?

I'll wait a bit before deciding the investigating agencies are coopted, but point noted.

 

[arkirk]

It's the same old chain of mistakes argument the cops always use...of course it is only the suspect making mistakes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It's the same old chain of mistakes argument the cops always use...of course it is only the suspect making mistakes.

At this point, there is no established mistake by the suspect.

 

[Derec]

This is troubling on a number of levels.

The most disturbing thing is this Koval guy apologizing even though there is no indication his officer did anything wrong. Also disturbing is so many college and high school students protesting even though there is no indication the officer did anything wrong.

Did the person know the officer was following him? Did he have any reason to think an officer was following him. This is crucial because otherwise, there is a man breaking into his home and he is protecting his property and himself, which is a legal right. If the officer failed to clearly note who he was, he is significantly responsible for an assault on himself.

The level of effort expanded on excusing perps is quite amazing. The guy had a prior for armed robbery, assaults the police officer and it's somehow still the officer's fault.

 

[Derec]

It's the same old chain of mistakes argument the cops always use...of course it is only the suspect making mistakes.

At this point, there is no established mistake by the suspect.

Assault on a police officer? Disturbing traffic? Committing armed robbery before?

I wonder what he was on. Maybe we should start a pool betting on whether he or the dead guy down here in Georgia was on stronger drugs. I say the Georgia guy. He stripped and everything.

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Yeah, there was a thread on reddit or something recently where someone suggested that all police officers should be subjected to random police raids by other police departments, so they can experience firsthand the confusion of being in that position. Especially at night when it wakes you up.

He wasn't woken up. He was followed there.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The most disturbing thing is this Koval guy apologizing even though there is no indication his officer did anything wrong. Also disturbing is so many college and high school students protesting even though there is no indication the officer did anything wrong.

Odd, because there is no indication that the "perp" did anything wrong.

Did the person know the officer was following him? Did he have any reason to think an officer was following him. This is crucial because otherwise, there is a man breaking into his home and he is protecting his property and himself, which is a legal right. If the officer failed to clearly note who he was, he is significantly responsible for an assault on himself.

The level of effort expanded on excusing perps is quite amazing. The guy had a prior for armed robbery, assaults the police officer and it's somehow still the officer's fault.

Perp? Was it established he did anything illegal? Anything? No articles indicate he was fleeing.

The Police aren't just allowed to enter a home.

At this point, there is no established mistake by the suspect.

Assault on a police officer? Disturbing traffic? Committing armed robbery before?

You do realize that having committed a previous crime isn't a new crime. The timeline for his assault on the officer is barren and unexplained.

 

[PyramidHead]

Yeah, there was a thread on reddit or something recently where someone suggested that all police officers should be subjected to random police raids by other police departments, so they can experience firsthand the confusion of being in that position. Especially at night when it wakes you up.

He wasn't woken up. He was followed there.

No doubt, I was just making a general comment.

 

[laughing dog]

Since when does an alleged blow to the head automatically excuse the reaction of shooting an unarmed person to death?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Since when does an alleged blow to the head automatically excuse the reaction of shooting an unarmed person to death?

Something to understand in these situations--if the cop can't defend themselves adequately in the unarmed confrontation the "unarmed" guy gets the cops' gun. The reality is cops sometimes die this way.

 

[Derec]

Odd, because there is no indication that the "perp" did anything wrong.

Really? Madison police were told Tony Robinson assaulted 2 people before arriving at the scene

Madison police were told that Tony Robinson had assaulted a friend, tried to strangle another person and was "yelling and jumping in front of cars" by dispatchers minutes before the unarmed teenager was fatally shot Friday night.[..]Madison police said that Officer Matt Kenny, 45, struggled with Robinson inside the apartment before fatally shooting him.

Sounds like somebody who did nothing wrong all right.

Family said Robinson was not violent and a spokesman told the Daily News Robinson was "a big gentle giant." But he was convicted for armed robbery for an incident last April with five other suspects, according to The Smoking Gun.

What? Another one of those?

Perp? Was it established he did anything illegal? Anything? No articles indicate he was fleeing.

Assaulting people, including the police officer, is illegal.

The Police aren't just allowed to enter a home.

They are under certain circumstances. This isn't GTA where you can lose the heat just by entering your "save house".

You do realize that having committed a previous crime isn't a new crime.

Best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Besides, he was still on probation for the robbery. Getting arrested for the initial disturbance/assault call would have likely sent him to prison for the robbery.

The timeline for his assault on the officer is barren and unexplained.

Which is why we must assume that the police officer was at fault? At least according to 2000 students and many on this board.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Perp? Was it established he did anything illegal? Anything? No articles indicate he was fleeing.

Assaulting people, including the police officer, is illegal.

Did he know the guy was a police officer?

The Police aren't just allowed to enter a home.

They are under certain circumstances. This isn't GTA where you can lose the heat just by entering your "save house".

Good point, this isn't a video game. I thought this was Galaga for a while. What circumstance allowed the officer into the house?

You do realize that having committed a previous crime isn't a new crime.

Best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

The question was had he committed a crime when the Police responded. Your response was he committed one before. That is a crap answer.

The timeline for his assault on the officer is barren and unexplained.

Which is why we must assume that the police officer was at fault? At least according to 2000 students and many on this board.

I'm worried about an unannounced officer breaking into a home... like my home. And when I'm defending what I think is an invasion, I get shot and killed.

 

[laughing dog]

Since when does an alleged blow to the head automatically excuse the reaction of shooting an unarmed person to death?

Something to understand in these situations--if the cop can't defend themselves adequately in the unarmed confrontation the "unarmed" guy gets the cops' gun. The reality is cops sometimes die this way.

How does this even remotely address what you quoted?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Something to understand in these situations--if the cop can't defend themselves adequately in the unarmed confrontation the "unarmed" guy gets the cops' gun. The reality is cops sometimes die this way.

How does this even remotely address what you quoted?

ld, it means that if a gun is within 100 miles of an unarmed man, you can consider him armed and dangerous, and a threat to national security.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Something to understand in these situations--if the cop can't defend themselves adequately in the unarmed confrontation the "unarmed" guy gets the cops' gun. The reality is cops sometimes die this way.

How does this even remotely address what you quoted?

The point is that you focus on "unarmed"--and the reality is that cops do not consider any hand to hand fight to be armed because their gun could be taken.