Yet another war, this time with Iran

[Bomb#20]

Reminded recent May 9 incident where german government asshole refused to answer a question about who liberated Europe from the Nazis.

The Japanese, duh!

(The Germans kept sharing their plans with Japanese diplomats, who kept dutifully radioing them back to Tokyo, using ciphers Americans kept breaking...)

... you and your stupid humour.

Hey, man, I get that you want people to say the USSR liberated Europe from the Nazis, but that would be rather like saying the Clotilda "liberated" Yoruba captives from the King of Dahomey.

 

[Harry Bosch]

It's a scenario that had a lot of facts behind it in the 1980s, but really not so much in the 2020s, for all that the decision makers of today grew up with the ideas of forty years ago.

Generals are always ready to fight the last war all over again. Politicians even more so.

Mutually Assured Destruction was an effective peacekeeper in a world where two superpowers dominated everything. Now that Russia has ceased to be even a plausible great power, things are much less simple, and nuclear doctrine has changed, whether we recognise the fact or not.

Russia is not USSR. Why are you harking about earlier times? At the moment Russia just wants peace and free trade.
Generals everywhere have to be ready to fight. Politicians may seem to do so. In practice things may be different. Why Trump has not started Iran-2?
There are other players in the game too, China, for example. Why should Europe always be a slave to US? They too are powerful. They have enough bombs and missiles to blast any country to pieces, including US. Britain and France have some (290+260) 550 bombs.

?? I'm sure even Barbos is laughing inside at the above! Russia bullies and threatens to attack its neighbors every single day. They are currently threatening Armenia. Their entire economy today is a war economy dedicated to conquering Ukraine. They don't want free trade; they are looking to conquer and kill people.

 

[Harry Bosch]

That is so far from true as to be off the planet. If Russia wants peace, they could just withdraw from Ukraine.

Ukraine became a necessity because of the machination of FBI and NATO, otherwise there would have been no Maidan uprising.
US tried just the same in Iran. US will create problems for itself and all others by trying to boss around.

I don't want to strawman you here. But you don't think that the Ukrainians wanted to free their country from Yanokvich? You think that Nato and FBI wanted this and the Ukrainians were duped?

I am not a dog-lover, whether they laugh, weep or howl.

 

[laughing dog]

I understand why some people feel the need for a single cause explanation for a complex situation.

Ha ha.. lol. I love how you are trying to come across as the wise sage who has a wider horizon than us simpletons.

I had no such intentions. I would never think to of you ad a “simpleton” but I understand why you attribute a single intention to my response.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So Trump is in China, hoping China will help with Iran... which they won't because Trump walked America in a bear trap and China is quite at peace with letting Trump do that.

Also, the Strait of Hormuz is still closed and it feels like no one in the Trump Admin seeks to address it anymore. Trump is going on about how Cuba is a failed state, how the US economy really doesn't matter, and working on keeping blacks from being elected into Congress in the South. It is like Iran is Venezuela... in the rear mirror... except that the Strait of Hormuz is still fucking closed!

 

[bilby]

Also, the Strait of Hormuz is still closed

Well, apart from the ships that are passing through it.

It seems that individual captains are running the blockade(s) with impunity (via the old shipping lanes on the Omani side of the strait), and the more who get through, the more are prepared to risk it.

Traffic is far lighter than it was before February, but it's far from zero.

It seems that everyone outside the maritime industry has a motive to turn a blind eye, at least for now. If/when another ship gets attacked, or strikes a mine, things will change; But until then, the traffic will just keep trickling through faster and faster.

 

[aupmanyav]

Russia bullies and threatens to attack its neighbors every single day. They are currently threatening Armenia. Their entire economy today is a war economy dedicated to conquering Ukraine. They don't want free trade; they are looking to conquer and kill people.

This is because of NATO/US and their instigation of unrest in Ukraine. No harm to NATO/US countries, Ukraine stands destroyed, Russia too looses. They don't care about Ukraine and delight in problems that Russia is made to face. That is exactly what NATO/US wanted.

I don't want to strawman you here. But you don't think that the Ukrainians wanted to free their country from Yanokvich? You think that Nato and FBI wanted this and the Ukrainians were duped?

Exactly. There are limits to what a country can do. They have to care about sensitivities of other nations too. That is why India and US have not recognized Taiwan as an independent country. NATO/US were able to remove Yanukovish and the result has been destruction of Ukraine.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Russia bullies and threatens to attack its neighbors every single day. They are currently threatening Armenia. Their entire economy today is a war economy dedicated to conquering Ukraine. They don't want free trade; they are looking to conquer and kill people.

This is because of NATO/US and their instigation of unrest in Ukraine. No harm to NATO/US countries, Ukraine stands destroyed, Russia too looses. They don't care about Ukraine and delight in problems that Russia is made to face. That is exactly what NATO/US wanted.

I don't want to strawman you here. But you don't think that the Ukrainians wanted to free their country from Yanokvich? You think that Nato and FBI wanted this and the Ukrainians were duped?

Exactly. There are limits to what a country can do. They have to care about sensitivities of other nations too. That is why India and US have not recognized Taiwan as an independent country. NATO/US were able to remove Yanukovish and the result has been destruction of Ukraine.

Where are you getting your information? Its conspiracy theory nonsense. Its the stuff Putins propaganda machine is trying to spread. But that doesn't explain how he managed to convince you. How come you believe this?

 

[barbos]

Where are you getting your information? Its conspiracy theory nonsense. Its the stuff Putins propaganda machine is trying to spread. But that doesn't explain how he managed to convince you. How come you believe this?

Are you calling Victoria Nuland a liar?
Are you calling RAND corporation stupid and powerless losers who have no influence whatsoever?

 

[barbos]

I don't want to strawman you here. But you don't think that the Ukrainians wanted to free their country from Yanokvich?

Some did and they had the opportunity to do that in the lawfull elections. The West did not want that.
They wanted Nazi regime which would start the war with Russia. The whole strategy was openly described and discussed in western Think Tanks and confirmed by multiple people in different governments.

 

[barbos]

This is because of NATO/US and their instigation of unrest in Ukraine. No harm to NATO/US countries, Ukraine stands destroyed, Russia too looses. They don't care about Ukraine and delight in problems that Russia is made to face. That is exactly what NATO/US wanted

Exactly. They never even wanted Ukraine in EU. It's been 12 years and EU says that Ukraine can forget about entering EU in the next 10 years if ever. The whole thing was devised to have a proxy war with Russia. Elensky own advisers said so before the war. I repeat they said that before (!!!) the war!
It was not a secret to anybody in Ukraine or Russia.

 

[aupmanyav]

Where are you getting your information? Its conspiracy theory nonsense. Its the stuff Putins propaganda machine is trying to spread. But that doesn't explain how he managed to convince you. How come you believe this?

I read between the lines.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russia bullies and threatens to attack its neighbors every single day. They are currently threatening Armenia. Their entire economy today is a war economy dedicated to conquering Ukraine. They don't want free trade; they are looking to conquer and kill people.

This is because of NATO/US and their instigation of unrest in Ukraine. No harm to NATO/US countries, Ukraine stands destroyed, Russia too looses. They don't care about Ukraine and delight in problems that Russia is made to face. That is exactly what NATO/US wanted.

I don't want to strawman you here. But you don't think that the Ukrainians wanted to free their country from Yanokvich? You think that Nato and FBI wanted this and the Ukrainians were duped?

Exactly. There are limits to what a country can do. They have to care about sensitivities of other nations too. That is why India and US have not recognized Taiwan as an independent country. NATO/US were able to remove Yanukovish and the result has been destruction of Ukraine.

Where are you getting your information? Its conspiracy theory nonsense. Its the stuff Putins propaganda machine is trying to spread. But that doesn't explain how he managed to convince you. How come you believe this?

It's incredible how Russia has been able to launch a vicious war while convincing a good portion of the world that they are the peace-loving victims of NATO aggression! Goebbels would be very proud.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Where are you getting your information? Its conspiracy theory nonsense. Its the stuff Putins propaganda machine is trying to spread. But that doesn't explain how he managed to convince you. How come you believe this?

I read between the lines.

I don't believe you. Reading between the lines just means fantasizing about what they really mean. So random nonsense. But you don't believe random nonsense. You are specifically aping Putin propaganda. Spread by neo-con youtubers. My brother has unfortunately fallen for the same nonsense. A very intelligent man, in other regards. In his case he's a conservative, who just thinks this woke nonsense has gone too far, which has led him down some questionable internet alleys.

My point is that you have taken onboard a very specific set of beliefs. Its a package.

I just wonder where you picked them up?

There's no way in hell you started parroting Putin propaganda by "thinking for yourself".

 

[laughing dog]

Where are you getting your information? Its conspiracy theory nonsense. Its the stuff Putins propaganda machine is trying to spread. But that doesn't explain how he managed to convince you. How come you believe this?

I read between the lines.

In order to read between the lines, you have to be on the same page. You're not even in the same book.

 

[barbos]

You are specifically aping Putin propaganda. Spread by neo-con youtubers

This does not compute. And demonstrate how mad you are.

 

[barbos]

My brother has unfortunately fallen for the same nonsense

lol, I think the problem is not your brother.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Here's a good video on the global economic impact of the war

 

[barbos]

Here's a good video on the global economic impact of the war

It is true that Russia increased revenue from oil exports. But as Putin himself said it is temporary and more importantly in the long term we are going to have global depression, because of unprovoked and illegal aggression of The Western Hegemony
China does not even get any temporary monetary benefits because they are net importers of oil/gas.
And Russian revenue increase is rather insignificant to be honest. I mean we balanced spending for these 2 month but number itself is rather small for overall russian economy.
China benefits somewhat from this military fiasco militarily because any prospect of Western Hegemony starting a war with them is non-existent now.

 

[aupmanyav]

It's incredible how Russia has been able to launch a vicious war while convincing a good portion of the world that they are the peace-loving victims of NATO aggression! Goebbels would be very proud.

You are from US. The rest of the world finds it incredible as to how nakedly US has usurped oil rights of Venezuela and Iran while the rest of us suffer its consequences. India too has increased the petrol and diesel prices though marginally, something like 5%. What other calamity will Trump will bring to us in the rest of three years?