Yet another war, this time with Iran

[laughing dog]

U.S., Iran have reached a deal to end fighting, Trump and mediator Pakistan say, President Donald Trump earlier urged all parties not to “blow it” after Israel’s attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs further complicated the prospects of reaching a deal.

I don't get what they're supposed to be negotiating about. Trump said that if Iran murders more of it's own citizens Trump will attack.

Ok, Trump did that.

He can just stop. He's already made his point. Trump can stop shooting rockets and drones without looking like a failure. Iran now knows that they can't just murder their own people with zero repurcussions.

Have I missed something?

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

 

[Derec]

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

Trump often has at least concepts of a point. The problem is the execution. This idiotic deal is his worst TACO yet.

 

[aupmanyav]

He says "funded by the Gulf Coast coalition".

That does not mean Saudi Arabia only.
Gulf countries will pay in addition to what they have to repair in their own countries.
Friendship with US has a cost. Why did Gulf countries need US bases?
No cost to US after disturbing the economy of the whole world.

 

[DrZoidberg]

U.S., Iran have reached a deal to end fighting, Trump and mediator Pakistan say, President Donald Trump earlier urged all parties not to “blow it” after Israel’s attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs further complicated the prospects of reaching a deal.

I don't get what they're supposed to be negotiating about. Trump said that if Iran murders more of it's own citizens Trump will attack.

Ok, Trump did that.

He can just stop. He's already made his point. Trump can stop shooting rockets and drones without looking like a failure. Iran now knows that they can't just murder their own people with zero repurcussions.

Have I missed something?

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how Trump can spin it if he unilaterely backs off. Dragging this out just akes Trump look bad. So why is he?

I don't understand why he needs a deal? What exactly are they negotiating about?

 

[TV and credit cards]

Didn't the righty's freak out about Obama giving Iran 400 million of their own money back to them? Now we're giving them 300 billion of our money???

Winning?

Anything the US gives will be laundered through the Gulf Coast Coalition. This is where Trump excels.
The to remain confidential part will be US pressure on Israel will be equal to access and monitoring of Iran's nuclear ambitions.

 

[TV and credit cards]

"Trump isn't thinking about the geo-strategic implications of the deal. He's thinking of one thing. He wants the strait open. He wants Gulf oil on international markets. He wants the price of gasoline at the pump down. That's all he cares about"

and

"If it were a great deal, it would be out in public. And I think that tells you pretty much what you need to know"

So, what are you saying?

"They've played him like a violin."

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

U.S., Iran have reached a deal to end fighting, Trump and mediator Pakistan say, President Donald Trump earlier urged all parties not to “blow it” after Israel’s attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs further complicated the prospects of reaching a deal.

I don't get what they're supposed to be negotiating about. Trump said that if Iran murders more of it's own citizens Trump will attack.

Ok, Trump did that.

He can just stop. He's already made his point. Trump can stop shooting rockets and drones without looking like a failure. Iran now knows that they can't just murder their own people with zero repurcussions.

Have I missed something?

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how Trump can spin it if he unilaterely backs off. Dragging this out just akes Trump look bad. So why is he?

Narcissistic pride. The goal was not remotely achieved. In fact, Trump and Netanyahu helped make the Theocracy stronger globally.

I don't understand why he needs a deal? What exactly are they negotiating about?

Trump opened Pandora's box with the Strait of Hormuz. Something needs to be settled about it. Sadly, this "deal" is just a possibly enhanced ceasefire, not an actual agreement to end what Israel and USA started.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

Trump often has at least concepts of a point. The problem is the execution. This idiotic deal is his worst TACO yet.

The global economy is on the verge of a massive energy crisis. That is forcing Trump's hand of which he has many cards. They just aren't worth that much.

Many are making this out as Iran wins bigly. They don't really. Iranian theocracy is having to spin getting their ass whooped. If not for the economic consequences of Hormuz, Iran would be a whipped dog at this point. Iran has promised great reprisals militarily against Israeli and US strikes, but came back with whimpers. But again, a geographic body of water gave them an incredible amount of leverage.

Derec, you seem to think this was so close to victory. Bombs rarely ever take out a government. Ground troops do. And in Iran, the IRGC is everywhere. Trump and the US and Israel were not remotely close to the objective. They barely got to "far away" from the objective. So they shifted goalposts to make this about nuclear weapons to save face.

This is why people like Trump shouldn't be in power. They are too darn stupid.

 

[DrZoidberg]

U.S., Iran have reached a deal to end fighting, Trump and mediator Pakistan say, President Donald Trump earlier urged all parties not to “blow it” after Israel’s attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs further complicated the prospects of reaching a deal.

I don't get what they're supposed to be negotiating about. Trump said that if Iran murders more of it's own citizens Trump will attack.

Ok, Trump did that.

He can just stop. He's already made his point. Trump can stop shooting rockets and drones without looking like a failure. Iran now knows that they can't just murder their own people with zero repurcussions.

Have I missed something?

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how Trump can spin it if he unilaterely backs off. Dragging this out just akes Trump look bad. So why is he?

Narcissistic pride. The goal was not remotely achieved. In fact, Trump and Netanyahu helped make the Theocracy stronger globally.

Remind me again what his goal is?

I don't understand why he needs a deal? What exactly are they negotiating about?

Trump opened Pandora's box with the Strait of Hormuz. Something needs to be settled about it. Sadly, this "deal" is just a possibly enhanced ceasefire, not an actual agreement to end what Israel and USA started.

But why would Iran keep the straight closed if Trump stops shooting rockets?

Iran also loses by keeping it closed. Its their one bargaining chip.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

U.S., Iran have reached a deal to end fighting, Trump and mediator Pakistan say, President Donald Trump earlier urged all parties not to “blow it” after Israel’s attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs further complicated the prospects of reaching a deal.

I don't get what they're supposed to be negotiating about. Trump said that if Iran murders more of it's own citizens Trump will attack.

Ok, Trump did that.

He can just stop. He's already made his point. Trump can stop shooting rockets and drones without looking like a failure. Iran now knows that they can't just murder their own people with zero repurcussions.

Have I missed something?

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how Trump can spin it if he unilaterely backs off. Dragging this out just akes Trump look bad. So why is he?

Narcissistic pride. The goal was not remotely achieved. In fact, Trump and Netanyahu helped make the Theocracy stronger globally.

Remind me again what his goal is?

Overthrowing the theocracy.

I don't understand why he needs a deal? What exactly are they negotiating about?

Trump opened Pandora's box with the Strait of Hormuz. Something needs to be settled about it. Sadly, this "deal" is just a possibly enhanced ceasefire, not an actual agreement to end what Israel and USA started.

But why would Iran keep the straight closed if Trump stops shooting rockets?

The Strait is closed in part because the US was blockading Iran. Are you even paying attention to the news?

 

[aupmanyav]

Iran knows that they can close the strait any time they want. No further need for the bomb.

Not so easy. It looses oil money.

The to remain confidential part will be US pressure on Israel will be equal to access and monitoring of Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Iran was not against it. Obama had it in the agreement. Trump broke the agreement.
BTW, what can Iran do with nuclear bombs? Attack Israel and get its own cities annihilated in return within 10 minutes?
AI:
"Estimates of Israel's stockpile range from 90 to 400 warheads, and the country is believed to possess a nuclear triad of delivery options by air, land, and sea."
Iran's supposed enrichment of uranium is a ruse to start war with Iran.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Iran knows that they can close the strait any time they want. No further need for the bomb.

Not so easy. It looses oil money.

They literally just did it and survived. Meanwhile the planet was heading to an energy crisis, so it hurts Iran, but it can be catastrophic for the global economy.

 

[aupmanyav]

They literally just did it and survived. Meanwhile the planet was heading to an energy crisis, so it hurts Iran, but it can be catastrophic for the global economy.

Sure, they can do it in 'extreme' circumstances, as they did this time, not in minor conflicts.
Iran has extreme inflation at the moment.

 

[laughing dog]

U.S., Iran have reached a deal to end fighting, Trump and mediator Pakistan say, President Donald Trump earlier urged all parties not to “blow it” after Israel’s attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs further complicated the prospects of reaching a deal.

I don't get what they're supposed to be negotiating about. Trump said that if Iran murders more of it's own citizens Trump will attack.

Ok, Trump did that.

He can just stop. He's already made his point. Trump can stop shooting rockets and drones without looking like a failure. Iran now knows that they can't just murder their own people with zero repurcussions.

Have I missed something?

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how Trump can spin it if he unilaterely backs off. Dragging this out just akes Trump look bad. So why is he?

I don't understand why he needs a deal? What exactly are they negotiating about?

You still don’t get it.

Trump flies by the seat of his pants. From his history, it is clear he has no shame because nothing is his fault. He believes he can sell anything.

Trump’s party is afraid of losing its majorities in the House and the Senate, and they lay the blame on the war in Iran effects on the economy and cost of living.

 

[DrZoidberg]

U.S., Iran have reached a deal to end fighting, Trump and mediator Pakistan say, President Donald Trump earlier urged all parties not to “blow it” after Israel’s attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs further complicated the prospects of reaching a deal.

I don't get what they're supposed to be negotiating about. Trump said that if Iran murders more of it's own citizens Trump will attack.

Ok, Trump did that.

He can just stop. He's already made his point. Trump can stop shooting rockets and drones without looking like a failure. Iran now knows that they can't just murder their own people with zero repurcussions.

Have I missed something?

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how Trump can spin it if he unilaterely backs off. Dragging this out just akes Trump look bad. So why is he?

I don't understand why he needs a deal? What exactly are they negotiating about?

You still don’t get it.

Trump flies by the seat of his pants. From his history, it is clear he has no shame because nothing is his fault. He believes he can sell anything.

Trump’s party is afraid of losing its majorities in the House and the Senate, and they lay the blame on the war in Iran effects on the economy and cost of living.

So what is he hoping the Iranians will agree to?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

U.S., Iran have reached a deal to end fighting, Trump and mediator Pakistan say, President Donald Trump earlier urged all parties not to “blow it” after Israel’s attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs further complicated the prospects of reaching a deal.

I don't get what they're supposed to be negotiating about. Trump said that if Iran murders more of it's own citizens Trump will attack.

Ok, Trump did that.

He can just stop. He's already made his point. Trump can stop shooting rockets and drones without looking like a failure. Iran now knows that they can't just murder their own people with zero repurcussions.

Have I missed something?

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how Trump can spin it if he unilaterely backs off. Dragging this out just akes Trump look bad. So why is he?

I don't understand why he needs a deal? What exactly are they negotiating about?

You still don’t get it.

Trump flies by the seat of his pants. From his history, it is clear he has no shame because nothing is his fault. He believes he can sell anything.

Trump’s party is afraid of losing its majorities in the House and the Senate, and they lay the blame on the war in Iran effects on the economy and cost of living.

So what is he hoping the Iranians will agree to?

He would presumably want enrichment to end, inspections, and enriched material to be confiscated. Also, free and unobstructed access to the Strait of Hormuz for shipping.

 

[laughing dog]

U.S., Iran have reached a deal to end fighting, Trump and mediator Pakistan say, President Donald Trump earlier urged all parties not to “blow it” after Israel’s attack on Beirut’s southern suburbs further complicated the prospects of reaching a deal.

I don't get what they're supposed to be negotiating about. Trump said that if Iran murders more of it's own citizens Trump will attack.

Ok, Trump did that.

He can just stop. He's already made his point. Trump can stop shooting rockets and drones without looking like a failure. Iran now knows that they can't just murder their own people with zero repurcussions.

Have I missed something?

Yes. You think Trump had a point.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how Trump can spin it if he unilaterely backs off. Dragging this out just akes Trump look bad. So why is he?

I don't understand why he needs a deal? What exactly are they negotiating about?

You still don’t get it.

Trump flies by the seat of his pants. From his history, it is clear he has no shame because nothing is his fault. He believes he can sell anything.

Trump’s party is afraid of losing its majorities in the House and the Senate, and they lay the blame on the war in Iran effects on the economy and cost of living.

So what is he hoping the Iranians will agree to?

At this moment, he doesn’t care about details, he just wants the Strait of Hormuz open.

Of course, this could change if his Big Mac doesn’t look right.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Iran links Lebanon with agreement. Netanyahu says whatevs.

Peace "deal" or the concepts of a plan to agree to discuss a peace deal might be hitting a wall... on Tuesday. So Iran maybe getting into TACO too now.

 

[Derec]

Narcissistic pride. The goal was not remotely achieved. In fact, Trump and Netanyahu helped make the Theocracy stronger globally.

Only because Trump stupidly TACOed.
The initial tactics were good. Hit the regime targets hard, including leadership and missile/drone infrastructure.
Over time it would have degraded their missile/drone capabilities such that they would be no threat to their neighbors. And it could possibly have weakened IRGC such that a counterrevolution was possible.

Trump opened Pandora's box with the Strait of Hormuz. Something needs to be settled about it. Sadly, this "deal" is just a possibly enhanced ceasefire, not an actual agreement to end what Israel and USA started.

Once the war was started (and I think a war with Iran has been inevitable since the Islamic Revolution) it should have been prosecuted diligently until the end. Not abandoned at the first sign of difficulty.

 

[bilby]

Iranian theocracy is having to spin getting their ass whooped. If not for the economic consequences of Hormuz, Iran would be a whipped dog at this point.

So... They suffered quite a lot of damage, and if they hadn't have been able to win, they would be the losers right now?

How is that not true of the winners of literally every war in history?