So much for freedom of thought at universities

[Derec]

College Professor Bans Student From Class For His Views On Rape

He was banned by a lefty professor Pancho Savery (who on his college homepage says that he "believe religiously in the conference method—the idea that students are in charge of their own education" except, apparently, if they disagree with him), because he challenged the notions of "rape culture" and the unfounded "1 in 5" (sometimes "1 in 4") claims. Feminist propaganda must not be challenged I guess.
I wonder if the student in question can sue for viewpoint discrimination.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

College Professor Bans Student From Class For His Views On Rape

He was banned by a lefty professor Pancho Savery (who on his college homepage says that he "believe religiously in the conference method—the idea that students are in charge of their own education" except, apparently, if they disagree with him), because he challenged the notions of "rape culture" and the unfounded "1 in 5" (sometimes "1 in 4") claims. Feminist propaganda must not be challenged I guess.
I wonder if the student in question can sue for viewpoint discrimination.

So much for keeping events in context and not blowing them out of proportion to extrapolate the event at one school onto the entire university system.

And upon reading the article, the word "banned" seems like hyperbole in of itself.

The 19-year-old told BuzzFeed News that his professor, Pancho Savery, warned him repeatedly that his views made his classmates uncomfortable before he told him in a March 14 email that he was no longer welcome to participate in the “conference” section of his Humanities 110 lecture-seminar class.


“Please know that this was a difficult decision for me to make and one that I have never made before; nevertheless, in light of the serious stress you have caused your classmates, I feel that I have no other choice,” Savery wrote in the email, obtained by BuzzFeed News.

So lets see:

• not banned from school or class
• not removed because of teacher's opinion
• story is almost exclusively from student's own perspective

 

[Frikki]

So much for keeping events in context and not blowing them out of proportion to extrapolate the event at one school onto the entire university system.

And upon reading the article, the word "banned" seems like hyperbole in of itself.

The 19-year-old told BuzzFeed News that his professor, Pancho Savery, warned him repeatedly that his views made his classmates uncomfortable before he told him in a March 14 email that he was no longer welcome to participate in the “conference” section of his Humanities 110 lecture-seminar class.


“Please know that this was a difficult decision for me to make and one that I have never made before; nevertheless, in light of the serious stress you have caused your classmates, I feel that I have no other choice,” Savery wrote in the email, obtained by BuzzFeed News.

So lets see:

• not banned from school or class
• not removed because of teacher's opinion
• story is almost exclusively from student's own perspective

But when Jeremiah True wouldn’t stop talking about his controversial opinions on sexual assault in his required freshman humanities course, his professor banned him from the discussion segment of the class for the remainder of the semester.
The 19-year-old told BuzzFeed News that his professor, Pancho Savery, warned him repeatedly that his views made his classmates uncomfortable before he told him in a March 14 email that he was no longer welcome to participate in the “conference” section of his Humanities 110 lecture-seminar class.
“Please know that this was a difficult decision for me to make and one that I have never made before; nevertheless, in light of the serious stress you have caused your classmates, I feel that I have no other choice,” Savery wrote in the email, obtained by BuzzFeed News.
True, whose Facebook page says he studies “How to Annoy People” at Reed, takes pride in challenging his classmates’ opinions.
“I know many people aren’t comfortable with taking the stances I do, but I’m not a sheep,” he said.

He may not be a sheep but he sure is a shit cock.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So much for keeping events in context and not blowing them out of proportion to extrapolate the event at one school onto the entire university system.

And upon reading the article, the word "banned" seems like hyperbole in of itself.

So lets see:

• not banned from school or class
• not removed because of teacher's opinion
• story is almost exclusively from student's own perspective

But when Jeremiah True wouldn’t stop talking about his controversial opinions on sexual assault in his required freshman humanities course, his professor banned him from the discussion segment of the class for the remainder of the semester.
The 19-year-old told BuzzFeed News that his professor, Pancho Savery, warned him repeatedly that his views made his classmates uncomfortable before he told him in a March 14 email that he was no longer welcome to participate in the “conference” section of his Humanities 110 lecture-seminar class.
“Please know that this was a difficult decision for me to make and one that I have never made before; nevertheless, in light of the serious stress you have caused your classmates, I feel that I have no other choice,” Savery wrote in the email, obtained by BuzzFeed News.
True, whose Facebook page says he studies “How to Annoy People” at Reed, takes pride in challenging his classmates’ opinions.
“I know many people aren’t comfortable with taking the stances I do, but I’m not a sheep,” he said.

He may not be a sheep but he sure is a shit cock.

Yeah. It sounds like he was a major disruption in the class. And that is simply going based on most of things he has said and not the teacher's defense.

 

[Frikki]

I have a theory about red pillers. They can´t get laid and are frustrated that their only chances, prostitution and sexual assault are frowned upon unlike in the "good" old days.

 

[Derec]

So much for keeping events in context and not blowing them out of proportion to extrapolate the event at one school onto the entire university system.

If only it was an isolated incident. But unfortunately US universities have become the refuge of left-wing radicals. Like for example Karen Halnon of Penn State with her incoherent Chavista rant at a flight. Or Brittney Cooper of Rutgers who wrote Stop poisoning the race debate: How “respectability politics” rears its ugly head — again for Salon who said, among many idiotic things, that Michael Brown merely engaged in "acts of resistance and refusal" when he attacked Wilson. Or how about the Weather Underground terrorist Kathy Boudin who was hired to teach at Columbia.

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Yeah. It sounds like he was a major disruption in the class. And that is simply going based on most of things he has said and not the teacher's defense.

That whole class is predicated on in-class discussion. The professor clearly stated that he banned him because of his non-PC point of view.

 

[ksen]

Aaaaaannnnnnd there go the goalposts.

 

[Derec]

I have a theory about red pillers. They can´t get laid and are frustrated that their only chances, prostitution and sexual assault are frowned upon unlike in the "good" old days.

Sexual assault is bad and should be frowned upon but what's wrong with prostitution? Of course, you live in the radical feminist utopia where you can't even get a lap dance without going to jail, so I guess your perspective is skewed.

The point is that rape and sexual assault is obviously bad but the hysteria over "rape culture" has been overblown resulting in colleges being forced to use low burden of proof and restrict the accused men's due process rights. That has led to highly questionable expulsions including one case where the police charged the woman with making a false report but the university still decided to expel the innocent male student.
Sexual assault should be combated but not by redefining it to include consensual sex (like drunken and/or regretted hookups), accused students' due process rights should not be abridged just to make expulsions easier to achieve and statistics (like "1 in 5") should not be manipulated to make the problem appear bigger than it is. None of these should be controversial but for some weird reason it is. If anyone dare speak against the feminist party line one is called "misogynist", "rapist" or "red piller" (whatever that's supposed to mean).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If only it was an isolated incident. But unfortunately US universities have become the refuge of left-wing radicals. Like for example Karen Halnon of Penn State with her incoherent Chavista rant at a flight. Or Brittney Cooper of Rutgers who wrote Stop poisoning the race debate: How “respectability politics” rears its ugly head — again for Salon who said, among many idiotic things, that Michael Brown merely engaged in "acts of resistance and refusal" when he attacked Wilson. Or how about the Weather Underground terrorist Kathy Boudin who was hired to teach at Columbia.

Well, there you go. The entire University System has been corrupted by radical lefty's. Three examples, assuming you talk the OP out of context.

Yeah. It sounds like he was a major disruption in the class. And that is simply going based on most of things he has said and not the teacher's defense.

That whole class is predicated on in-class discussion. The professor clearly stated that he banned him because of his non-PC point of view.

That'd be "class discussion", not one student going off over and over and over monopolizing discussion. He sounds like a troll.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

People who continuously derail conversations to harp on about their own personal hobby-horses are annoying and should be slapped down.

They're kind of like the NCAA executives who make billions of dollars while the players themselves can't afford to eat. Those people are a plague on our society and we need to interrupt this conversation to bitch about them for a while.

 

[Derec]

Aaaaaannnnnnd there go the goalposts.

What goalposts? Goalposts are patriarchal and have thus been banned from Reed College anyway, just like logic.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Aaaaaannnnnnd there go the goalposts.

What goalposts? Goalposts are patriarchal and have thus been banned from Reed College anyway, just like logic.

P1: "Student banned for free thought"
P2: "Um, no he was disrupting the class and asked to stop"
P1: "Colleges are liberal hate zones."

Yep, no goalpost moves there.

 

[Derec]

People who continuously derail conversations to harp on about their own personal hobby-horses are annoying and should be slapped down.

Any evidence that he derailed unrelated conversations rather than participated with non-PC opinions when they talked about things like "rape culture" in class
conference? The hippie professor didn't say that he derailed any other discussions, but that his opinions upset some students. I.e. he was not banned for disruption, but because of his viewpoint.

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What goalposts? Goalposts are patriarchal and have thus been banned from Reed College anyway, just like logic.

P1: "Student banned for free thought"
P2: "Um, no he was disrupting the class and asked to stop"
P1: "Colleges are liberal hate zones."

Yep, no goalpost moves there.

He was "disrupting" the class because Pancho Villa or whatever the professor's name is didn't like his opinions.

"There are several survivors of sexual assault in our conference, and you have made them extremely uncomfortable with what they see as not only your undermining incidents of rape, but of also placing too much emphasis on men being unfairly charged with rape," Professor Pancho Savery wrote in an e-mail to Jeremiah True.

It doesn't mention any derailing of unrelated discussions or disturbing behavior, just expressing quite well founded opinions that go against the feminist "rape culture" orthodoxy. I mean mentioning that some women lie about rape is simply unconscionable in today's academia. Never mind UVA Jackie, Duke Lacrosse, Hofstra and many others.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

What goalposts? Goalposts are patriarchal and have thus been banned from Reed College anyway, just like logic.

P1: "Student banned for free thought"
P2: "Um, no he was disrupting the class and asked to stop"
P1: "Colleges are liberal hate zones."

Yep, no goalpost moves there.

He was "disrupting" the class because Pancho Villa or whatever the professor's name is didn't like his opinions.

And thus colleges are liberal hate zones with Mexicans Bandidos. Thanks for playing!

 

[laughing dog]

If only it was an isolated incident. But unfortunately US universities have become the refuge of left-wing radicals. Like for example Karen Halnon of Penn State with her incoherent Chavista rant at a flight. Or Brittney Cooper of Rutgers who wrote Stop poisoning the race debate: How “respectability politics” rears its ugly head — again for Salon who said, among many idiotic things, that Michael Brown merely engaged in "acts of resistance and refusal" when he attacked Wilson. Or how about the Weather Underground terrorist Kathy Boudin who was hired to teach at Columbia.

What does any of this blather have to do with your OP?

That whole class is predicated on in-class discussion. The professor clearly stated that he banned him because of his non-PC point of view.

And this person is painted as hogging the whole class discussion. If true, this student is actually preventing an whole class discussion.

 

[Derec]

And thus colleges are liberal hate zones with Mexicans Bandidos. Thanks for playing!

I bet he doesn't need any badges either. He probably thinks they are imperialist or something.

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And this person is painted as hogging the whole class discussion. If true, this student is actually preventing an whole class discussion.

Any evidence that he was hogging anything? The email telling him he was banned makes the issue of the content of his contributions, not their quantity.

 

[ksen]

Any evidence that he was hogging anything?

The phrase in your story, "wouldn't stop talking" certainly implies hogging.

 

[Frikki]

I have a theory about red pillers. They can´t get laid and are frustrated that their only chances, prostitution and sexual assault are frowned upon unlike in the "good" old days.

Sexual assault is bad and should be frowned upon but what's wrong with prostitution? Of course, you live in the radical feminist utopia where you can't even get a lap dance without going to jail, so I guess your perspective is skewed.

The point is that rape and sexual assault is obviously bad but the hysteria over "rape culture" has been overblown resulting in colleges being forced to use low burden of proof and restrict the accused men's due process rights. That has led to highly questionable expulsions including one case where the police charged the woman with making a false report but the university still decided to expel the innocent male student.
Sexual assault should be combated but not by redefining it to include consensual sex (like drunken and/or regretted hookups), accused students' due process rights should not be abridged just to make expulsions easier to achieve and statistics (like "1 in 5") should not be manipulated to make the problem appear bigger than it is. None of these should be controversial but for some weird reason it is. If anyone dare speak against the feminist party line one is called "misogynist", "rapist" or "red piller" (whatever that's supposed to mean).

I'm actually for legal prostitution, I just think guys that can't get laid without paying for it are pathetic.

 

[laughing dog]

Any evidence that he was hogging anything? The email telling him he was banned makes the issue of the content of his contributions, not their quantity.

But when Jeremiah True wouldn’t stop talking about his controversial opinions on sexual assault in his required freshman humanities course, his professor banned him from the discussion segment of the class for the remainder of the semester.

It appears to me that this kid is an immature egomaniac. Whole class discussions involve the whole class about the appropriate topics. Creeping people out or making them uncomfortable so that they do not participate defeats the purpose of the concept of a whole class discussion. Taking up lots of time dealing with one person's bloviations (regardless of the content) also defeats the purpose of the whole class discussion.

And, of course, generalizing to all universities from one isolated incident is extremely poor reasoning.

 

[Sarpedon]

I'm willing to bet you have to sign a code of conduct contract to be a professor or student. I signed one.

Why does derec hate contracts?