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A sad casualty of DEI/Woke at Cambridge University

Too often liberals mean well, but end up hurting those they want to help.
Like how you're a "liberal" who means well? And wants to bring the motherfucking Apartheid back?
He did not say that.
Oh, sorry. His "black friend" said that. He was just being truthful in reporting. Just like his "lesbian girlfriends" all hate trans people, and just as, I'm sure, his "Jewish boss" thinks Hitler had some good ideas, and his "Chinese accountant" thinks capitalism is the best economic policy ever invented.
 
If supporting Apartheid is now a "liberal" cause, please feel free to call me a conservative or a Nazi or whatever, because I care a lot more about human beings than I do labels.

I don't think his Black friend is a real person, but if he is, he's an idiot, because without the end of Apartheid his business would not be doing well no matter how "lazy" or "ambitious" his employees are. He would not be able to do business with most customers, own land in most towns, secure collateral for a loan, or many other things necessary for the success of a business, because it was illegal for Blacks to do those things.
 

Reminds me of a conversation I had with a black South African black businessman when I was in Mumbai in 2003. He wanted Apartheid back. Not because he was for Apartheid. But because it was dismantled in a bad way. Each South African company needed a quota of blacks. The blacks who got hired becasue of the quota knew they were, so they didn't work. His black employees didn't work. His white employees did. His words. Inplication, South African DEI killed the ambition of blacks. This was in 2003. Since South Africa has gone from a healthy economy on par with Europe, to a standard dysfunctional African post-colonial economy. I know this wasn't the only reason it's economy has tanked. But I am sure it didn't help.

Jebus Christ, aini’t he cute? He is everywhere and everywhen and knows everything! He ran a huge art project involving Jews and Palestinians who got along just peachy (under his tutelage no doubt)! He has a lesbian girlfriend! He dates models! He thinks we are all a bunch of anti-semites while defending an anti-semite! Everything reminds him of a story — about himself. Now he invents a black friend who supports apartheid! Sickening!
 
And, of course, in his story, the black employees didn’t work, cuz we all know blacks are lazy! Did they eat watermelon on the job too, while singing spirituals?
 
You know, business owners complained about their Black workers being too lazy for their own good during Apartheid as well. Like, all the time. Because that is what racism and classism sound like.
 
Too often liberals mean well, but end up hurting those they want to help.
Like how you're a "liberal" who means well? And wants to bring the motherfucking Apartheid back?
He did not say that.
Oh, sorry. His "black friend" said that. He was just being truthful in reporting. Just like his "lesbian girlfriends" all hate trans people, and just as, I'm sure, his "Jewish boss" thinks Hitler had some good ideas, and his "Chinese accountant" thinks capitalism is the best economic policy ever invented.
You're speculating on all those other claims and have no evidence one way or another as to whether they are truthful or not.

Why is it so hard for you to just be factual and stop making excuses for it?
 
I’ll never forget the time I visted the North Pole to meet Santa. Accompanying me was the person I was dating at the time, a lesbian linebacker for the Minnesota Vikings. Our retinue included Paul Newman and Meryl Streep. Over hot toddies, Santa confided that he gave all the black kids coal because they were so lazy. Then he burst out into a vulgar tirade against Jews and how much he loved Hitler, but we shined it on because he was drunk and white. And what a fabulous beard!
 
Too often liberals mean well, but end up hurting those they want to help.
Like how you're a "liberal" who means well? And wants to bring the motherfucking Apartheid back?
He did not say that.
Oh, sorry. His "black friend" said that. He was just being truthful in reporting. Just like his "lesbian girlfriends" all hate trans people, and just as, I'm sure, his "Jewish boss" thinks Hitler had some good ideas, and his "Chinese accountant" thinks capitalism is the best economic policy ever invented.
You're speculating on all those other claims and have no evidence one way or another as to whether they are truthful or not.

Why is it so hard for you to just be factual and stop making excuses for it?
I'm not speculating, I am mocking his consistently dishonest debate tactic of citing very unlikely "friends" as evidence that minorities secretly hate "woke" and desire the outcomes of conservative political projects.
 
I’ll never forget the time I visted the North Pole to meet Santa.
You know, people call Santa a slave owner, but I talked to an elf at the mall once, and it turns out all of Santa's elves are volunteers. They actually really love making toys, and the one I talked to even said they wished the toymaker's union had never formed, as it like how many hours they can work. Well, she didn't exactly say that about the union in so many words (probably afraid to, you know how violent wokes are) but she did say she "I wish I got more hours this week so I can afford Christmas" so basically that's what she meant.
 
This reminds me, many years ago, of when I visited Bucharest with Jack Nicholson and Mother Teresa in tow, also with my girlfriend at the time, a tri-sexual guitarist and ibogaine addict.

We hooked up with a bunch of Jews who also happened to be edgy queens and praised Hitler. We all agreed that anyone who opposed any aggressive act whatsoever by Israel in Gaza or the West Bank was an anti-semite.

We bumped into a black guy who had emigrated from the U.S. because he resented the abolition of slavery.

We were there when Ceaucescu was overthrown and executed. We all agreed that his 24-year reign of terror was just him shucking and jiving, and people got pissed at him because they just couldn’t take a joke. I met him before he died; he had a marvelous sense of humor and dabbled in fashion design.

Years later I hobnobbed with the dictator of North Korea, who subsequently became someone’s avatar on a message board. One must be broad-minded (except when it comes to criticizing Israel; that is verboten) and not have a Disneyland view of reality.
 
Diversity is a fact that needs to be recognized. We should tolerate diversity. That’s not racist.
Equality is a desirable paradigm - unless you’re a racist.
Inclusion would be an optimal outcome of diversity and equality. Unless you’re a racist.
Diversity is a noble goal... if it's achieved organically. Forced diversity is counterproductive.

Inclusion is a nice sounding word, but it has the same flaws as tolerance... and I know how youse feel about tolerating those who hold views you think shouldn't be tolerated. Sometimes exclusion is necessary and appropriate. We exclude adults from little league. We exclude sex offenders from living near schools. We exclude people with financial felonies from holding financial positions. We exclude children from strip clubs. Whether or not inclusion is a noble goal depends rather heavily on what we're being asked to include and why.

The E in DEI isn't for Equality, it's for Equity.
Now do the military.
Do what with the military?
 
When you argue for racially discriminating against Asian and/or non-Hispanic white Americans in order to make more positions available for African- and/or Hispanic- and/or Native- and/or Pacific Islander Americans, that's not choosing inclusion over exclusion. Happy?
That's utter nonsense. I oppose you assholes trying to run black people out of the universities. I have never argued for racial discrimination of any kind, and never will.
Nobody is trying to run black people out of universities.

Do you ever function in the real world, or only in an imagination land built upon your assumptions about how evil everyone other than you is?
 
This entire thread and especially the spin-off DEI thread is about it. If the prof wasn't black, this would never have been a thread to start with.
To an extent, you're right. If Arday wasn't black, this thread probably wouldn't have existed... or at least it would have lasted only a few pages.

But I think you're mistaking the core of the argument.

If Arday wasn't black, then Cambridge wouldn't have publicized him as the youngest ever black professor. They wouldn't have made an issue of his skin color in the first place, and they wouldn't have lauded him and supported him being in the limelight as a notable and noteworthy black professor. And they wouldn't have done all of that after having been fairly open about their desire to increase their racial diversity and get more minority professors in their employ.

Cambridge made it about race in the first place.

Furthermore, if Arday weren't black, virtually nobody would be defending his indefensible fabrications. The fraud and falsehoods would have been noted, and we'd all be in agreement that it was unethical and unacceptable behavior in a supposedly exceptional academic hired to one of the highest positions in one of the most prestigious universities in the world. At a minimum, we'd all be in agreement that it's unseemly for Cambridge to fall prey to such blatantly unbelievable fish stories in the first place, and inappropriate for Arday to enlist the police and lawyers in an effort to hide and mask his own lies.

But because Arday is black... all of that common sense goes out the window. Because Arday is black, we end up with a shocking number of people (not here exclusively) effectively taking the position that it's unacceptable for his lies to be challenged or exposed in the first place.

The discussion is this long because Arday is black, you're correct. It's this long because some people seem to think that his melanin content should excuse his unethical behavior, and should shield him from the skepticism and scrutiny that would otherwise be the appropriate response to such fabulism.
 
Here's the thing about race and achievement in the US: My parents were poor during the Great Depression which is significantly different than poor today because there were zero social safety net programs that could have helped their families. Each had a parent who had a serious, debilitating and chronic illness which killed them at a young age, leaving my parents each to grow up in a single parent home. The highest educational attainment of my grandparents was completion of the 8th grade, although my grandfather helped all of his younger siblings obtain college educations. At the same time, he tried to convince my father to drop out of high school at age 16 because he needed the help on the farm. My father finished high school to spite his father. Dad was quite bright and under different circumstances, I think he would have become an engineer or an architect. I think he would have been happier as an architect but probably the machismo of engineering would have won out.

My father started out at the company he worked for until retirement at age 18 or 19, as a warehouse worker. He worked his way up, steadily, and eventually managed a bunch of accounts and trained VPs to do their job, which he was not qualified to do because he lacked a college degree. He did some product development and held a patent (or his company did for his new product). My parents managed to have my mother stay home to raise the family, after the first few years, and like now, daycare was difficult to find so: it was stay at home. Which was difficult because my mother knew she should be grateful--her own mother scrubbed hospital floors to support her ailing husband and 4 kids, so it was a luxury to stay at home. But Mom wasn't really suited for the work. Still, my parents eventualy managed to purchase a very modest ranch home in the early 60's. My parents instilled in all of us kids the same notion of excelling in school the way stereotypical Asian parents do, minus the money for lessons or cram schools, etc. I did not realize until well into adulthood that my parents were obnoxious in how much they bragged about us kids because we never heard an actual word of praise or pride. It was more like coming home with a 97% and being asked to account for the missing 3 percent. I remember once getting an A- in elementary school and being afraid to go home with my report card. But they had good reason: My dad's company sponsored scholarships for the high achieving offspring of employees. That was the only way we would be able to go to college. And there was no question of whether or not we would go.

My dad was fairly bigoted ( I loved him and he's been dead for more than 20 years and so I'm soft peddling things here) and he used to feel it was unfair that black people had all sorts of advantages he never had (which was hard to imagine which advantages those were. My mother's stepfather, we came to learn long after he died, was a member of the KKK, so that was alive and active when/where he grew up. And where i did. My parents shielded us from a lot but I heard rumors that were apparently true that a couple of times black families attempted to move into our town or at least the school district and had crosses burnt in front of their homes). I guess he meant Affirmative Action; and being allowed to attend the same underfunded schools that we attended, until they bought their house in an all white town. I used to look at him and think: I'm so proud and impressed with all that you achieved but imagine trying to do that while black. It would not have been possible. It simply would not have been. Dad felt his company was progressive because they hired an occasional black woman to work as a secretary. I tried to talk with him about how much harder it would have been (ie impossible) had he been black but he was convinced no one had it harder than he did growing up. And friends, things were really tough for him and for my mother. I remember well when both sets of grandparents got indoor plumbing. My dad's stepmother cooked on a coal stove that heated half of the house and another one heated the other half. My dad and uncle slept in an unheated attic space. Christmas was an orange and some nuts in the bottom of a sock. They ate from the garden and hunted and fished and foraged in the woods. Milk from the cows and later, some meat from pigs as my grandfather could not keep up with the milking after Dad left home. Eggs from the chickens, and extra eggs and extra produce sold from the kitchen. Grandpa gave me 4 silver dollars for high school graduation. I am still ashamed that my father somehow felt he had to explain that was all my grandfather had to give me. I knew. We never talked about money but I knew. I hate to think what my grandfather had to give up to give me those four silver coins.

So for my parents to be able to purchase a home not on a farmstead and to send their kids to college (on scholarships and we were responsible for the rest of the funding) was truly a miracle of hard work, determination and big dreams for their kids.

And if we had been black, none of that would have been possible.

It's easy to think with my nice education and my nicely educated spouse and kids and nice life and plenty of friends of various backgrounds that racism no longer exists or is no longer significant. Very easy to do if you don't actually look around or listen to what people say. I'm ashamed that for a good long while, I allowed myself to forget about racism because the small town we live in was so completely white (except for a handful of faculty, mostly foreign born) that I could literally go months and never see anyone with coloring darker than my own. I mean, I knew it existed but I personally had to deal very little with it, even the inconvenience of witnessing someone being treated poorly or more likely hearing about it.

It's so easy to discount what you don't have to deal with yourself or what does not affect you or your family. So easy to take for granted.

White people struggling to tread water, never mind, progressing is not the same thing as trying to keep your head above water while black. Because when you work so hard just to survive and to provide a better life for your family, it can be hard to imagine anyone working harder than you do.
Counterpoint: My dad was black. His parents and grandparents were extremely poor black people in a very racist environment. His parents grew up in the great depression. His mom got pregnant at 14, and raised my dad for 5 years by herself. She had 6 other children with her second husband, before he died from chronic illness at a young age, after which she raised all 7 alone. My dad was a black kid picking cotton in the south, child of a black mother who worked in a textile mill and cleaned houses.

My dad, and all of his siblings, all purchased houses not on farmsteads and built successful lives for themselves. My dad joined the military and gained an education while in, then put himself through graduate school after separation.

It is absolutely possible. And your just-so-story about how it's all whitey's fault and black people are still being oppressed and kept down because of skin color is unconvincing.
 
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a black South African black businessman when I was in Mumbai in 2003. He wanted Apartheid back. Not because he was for Apartheid. But because it was dismantled in a bad way. Each South African company needed a quota of blacks. The blacks who got hired becasue of the quota knew they were, so they didn't work. His black employees didn't work. His white employees did. His words. Inplication, South African DEI killed the ambition of blacks. This was in 2003. Since South Africa has gone from a healthy economy on par with Europe, to a standard dysfunctional African post-colonial economy. I know this wasn't the only reason it's economy has tanked. But I am sure it didn't help.
Interesting how all of your "solutions" to social ills involve reducing a negligible harm to whites by greatly harming Blacks instead. It's almost as though you are... what's the word for that again?
You think it's "negligible harm" to exclude skilled and motivated white people in South Africa from jobs? And you think it's "great harm" to expect black South Africans to competently do the jobs they were hired for rather than just being tokens that let's their employer tick a box?

I'm not sure I understand the version of "harm" you're working from.
 
Too often liberals mean well, but end up hurting those they want to help.
Like how you're a "liberal" who means well? And wants to bring the motherfucking Apartheid back?
As opposed to you being an "educated" "progressive" who can't actually comprehend basic written english?
 
Too often liberals mean well, but end up hurting those they want to help.
Like how you're a "liberal" who means well? And wants to bring the motherfucking Apartheid back?
He did not say that.
Oh, sorry. His "black friend" said that. He was just being truthful in reporting. Just like his "lesbian girlfriends" all hate trans people, and just as, I'm sure, his "Jewish boss" thinks Hitler had some good ideas, and his "Chinese accountant" thinks capitalism is the best economic policy ever invented.
How dare people not fit into the ideologically closed boxes that you've assigned them!
 
If supporting Apartheid is now a "liberal" cause, please feel free to call me a conservative or a Nazi or whatever, because I care a lot more about human beings than I do labels.
I'm sure you "identify" as someone who cares more about humans than about labels. But your self-declared identity doesn't obligate the rest of us to believe you.
 
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