Climate Change(d)?

[pood]

I just can’t take you seriously fella. It’s like talking to a flat earther.

Sure, Jan.

You are talking into a mirror, right? YOU are the flat earther, not us.

We have shown you MOUNTAINS of peer-reviewed scientific evidence for human-induced climate change. You have ignored all of it, proving that you are insufferably and willfully ignorant.

Actually, I don’t think you read the stuff we showed you. You are a member of a right-wing religious cult, MAGA, who cannot bear to face reality.

 

[Elixir]

You have zero evidence that the climate has changed in any measurable way due to human activity.

You’re talking to yourself.
Reciting the ignorant denial sermon, knowing that it lies about truths that won’t be undeniable in the very near term.
The causes of climate variance are well understood, Swiz.
And not by you or your devoted parishioners of the climate denial cult.
Get over it.

 

[pood]

human activity has negligible impact on the climate.

This is demonstrably untrue.

There is zero evidence for it.

There is mountains of evidence for it.

You need to understand that the earth’s climate changes naturally and the earth’s climate is variable.

You need to understand that literally nobody is arguing otherwise.

You also need to understand that the current rate of change vastly exceeds anything seen in Earth's history as a life-bearing planet, outside of mass extinction events; And that the only plausible explanation for the rapidity of the current change is the burning of fossil fuel by humans since the Industrial Revolution.

That you do not understand these things shows a remarkable resistance on your part to learning facts about reality. It's not like the evidence is hard to find. Or like the theoretical underpinning is complex.

If you burn fossil fuel, carbon that has been locked away underground for millions of years is released into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere traps heat. We have burned a huge quantity of coal, oil, and gas. As a result, global average temperatures are rising rapidly - more rapidly than at any time in geological history (other than during mass extinction events).

That's it. What part of that do you dispute, and what is the contrary evidence? Be specific.

But, see my post here.

We have been over and over and over this same stuff with him. It’s like trying to reason with peacegirl. What’s the point?

 

[TSwizzle]

Pood, another cultist chirping away in the background. Getting hysterical. Calm down fella.

 

[DBT]

Scientists know that recent climate change is largely caused by human activities from an understanding of basic physics, comparing observations with models, and fingerprinting the detailed patterns of climate change caused by different human and natural influences.

No they don’t know. That’s why climate catastrophe is a religion.

Besides, the earth’s climate has been remarkably stable and well within natural variability.

It’s a catastrophic 66f today. I may have to wear a sweater today.

How our input into climate change has been examined and understood has been explained.

lol. It really is a religion for you.

You have zero evidence that the climate has changed in any measurable way due to human activity. There has been an imperceptible increase in global average temperature (a meaningless metric) and everything else presented are dubious studies that “suggest” we are on the brink of climate apocalypse.

I just can’t take you seriously fella. It’s like talking to a flat earther.

The evidence has been provided by multiple posters, only to be ignored or brushed aside by you.

That is an example of your faith in action.

 

[TSwizzle]

Scientists know that recent climate change is largely caused by human activities from an understanding of basic physics, comparing observations with models, and fingerprinting the detailed patterns of climate change caused by different human and natural influences.

No they don’t know. That’s why climate catastrophe is a religion.

Besides, the earth’s climate has been remarkably stable and well within natural variability.

It’s a catastrophic 66f today. I may have to wear a sweater today.

How our input into climate change has been examined and understood has been explained.

lol. It really is a religion for you.

You have zero evidence that the climate has changed in any measurable way due to human activity. There has been an imperceptible increase in global average temperature (a meaningless metric) and everything else presented are dubious studies that “suggest” we are on the brink of climate apocalypse.

I just can’t take you seriously fella. It’s like talking to a flat earther.

The evidence has been provided by multiple posters, only to be ignored or brushed aside by you.

That is an example of your faith in action.

lol. As I have said numerous times over the years on this thread, the “evidence” presented has been nothing but alarmist propaganda in the news citing bullshit studies from activist “scientists” that are big on suggestions with zero scientific evidence.

It’s a rapture like cult.

 

[pood]

Pood, another cultist chirping away in the background. Getting hysterical. Calm down fella.

Sure, Jan.

Why don’t you adress the scientific evidence for human-induced climate change that we have repeatedly shown you over the years, instead of retreating into stupid one-liners and idiotic smilies?

Why do you, an internet rando, think you know more about climate science than, uh, climate scientists??

How did you acquire this ridiculous conceit about some imaginary intellectual superiority?

 

[bilby]

As I have said numerous times over the years on this thread, the “evidence” presented has been nothing but alarmist propaganda in the news citing bullshit studies from activist “scientists” that are big on suggestions with zero scientific evidence.

And you have been wrong to say that, each one of those numerous times.

Sure, there exists alarmist propaganda in the news citing bullshit studies from activist “scientists”. But there also exists hard scientific evidence for an extraordinary and human-caused departure from the normal variability of our climate.

And this departure is extreme enough to be a serious concern. Rejecting the more extreme alarmism in the popular press is wise. Concluding that the existence of needless panic justifies the belief that no problem exists at all is just stupid.

If somebody runs into your house yelling "The entire street is ablaze and we are all going to die!", it is not rational to look around, see that the only fire is the chip pan in your kitchen, and refuse to take any action at all on the grounds that the real problem is currently much smaller than the panicking idiot claimed.

 

[DBT]

Scientists know that recent climate change is largely caused by human activities from an understanding of basic physics, comparing observations with models, and fingerprinting the detailed patterns of climate change caused by different human and natural influences.

No they don’t know. That’s why climate catastrophe is a religion.

Besides, the earth’s climate has been remarkably stable and well within natural variability.

It’s a catastrophic 66f today. I may have to wear a sweater today.

How our input into climate change has been examined and understood has been explained.

lol. It really is a religion for you.

You have zero evidence that the climate has changed in any measurable way due to human activity. There has been an imperceptible increase in global average temperature (a meaningless metric) and everything else presented are dubious studies that “suggest” we are on the brink of climate apocalypse.

I just can’t take you seriously fella. It’s like talking to a flat earther.

The evidence has been provided by multiple posters, only to be ignored or brushed aside by you.

That is an example of your faith in action.

lol. As I have said numerous times over the years on this thread, the “evidence” presented has been nothing but alarmist propaganda in the news citing bullshit studies from activist “scientists” that are big on suggestions with zero scientific evidence.

It’s a rapture like cult.

Maybe you should brush up on your understanding of the evidence and how it relates to our industrial and economic activity and ongoing input into climate change.

 

[pood]

lol. As I have said numerous times over the years on this thread, the “evidence” presented has been nothing but alarmist propaganda in the news citing bullshit studies from activist “scientists” that are big on suggestions with zero scientific evidence.

Who are these “activist scientists” who produce “bullshit studies” witrh “zero scientific evidence”?

NAME THEM, and cite their “bullshit studies.”

But you can’t, and you know it.

Are you a climate scientist? No, you are an internet rando who belongs to the church of Trump.

It is you, not us, who is part of a “rapture-like cult,”

It’s a rapture like cult.

Mirror.

 

[pood]

Note that if there were “activist scientists” who produced “bullshit studies” about climate change, those studies would be caught in peer review. Does @TSwizzle even understand any of this?

No, he does not.

 

[TSwizzle]

Maybe you should brush up on your understanding of the evidence and how it relates to our industrial and economic activity and ongoing input into climate change.

I understand “teh evidence” just fine.

 

[DBT]

Maybe you should brush up on your understanding of the evidence and how it relates to our industrial and economic activity and ongoing input into climate change.

I understand “teh evidence” just fine.

So you say. Yet your position on the issue goes contrary to the evidence.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Scientists know that recent climate change is largely caused by human activities from an understanding of basic physics, comparing observations with models, and fingerprinting the detailed patterns of climate change caused by different human and natural influences.

No they don’t know. That’s why climate catastrophe is a religion.

Besides, the earth’s climate has been remarkably stable and well within natural variability.

It’s a catastrophic 66f today. I may have to wear a sweater today.

And the church insisted Earth was the center of universe. We all know how that turned out. But you continue to be the church, reacting to blasphemy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Scientists know that recent climate change is largely caused by human activities from an understanding of basic physics, comparing observations with models, and fingerprinting the detailed patterns of climate change caused by different human and natural influences.

No they don’t know. That’s why climate catastrophe is a religion.

Besides, the earth’s climate has been remarkably stable and well within natural variability.

It’s a catastrophic 66f today. I may have to wear a sweater today.

How our input into climate change has been examined and understood has been explained.

lol. It really is a religion for you.

You have zero evidence that the climate has changed in any measurable way due to human activity. There has been an imperceptible increase in global average temperature (a meaningless metric) and everything else presented are dubious studies that “suggest” we are on the brink of climate apocalypse.

I just can’t take you seriously fella. It’s like talking to a flat earther.

1) I can look out the window and see it. I no longer hike much at all in the summer.

2) C-14 dates.

 

[DBT]

The new religion, it appears that some folk tend to favour political ideology over science.

 

[southernhybrid]

Some people don't want to know the truth so they deny the truth regardless of how much evidence is presented to them. We obviously have one of them here and I fail to see, other than getting some attention, why that person continues to bother to stay in this thread.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Scientists know that recent climate change is largely caused by human activities from an understanding of basic physics, comparing observations with models, and fingerprinting the detailed patterns of climate change caused by different human and natural influences.

No they don’t know. That’s why climate catastrophe is a religion.

Besides, the earth’s climate has been remarkably stable and well within natural variability.

It’s a catastrophic 66f today. I may have to wear a sweater today.

How our input into climate change has been examined and understood has been explained.

lol. It really is a religion for you.

You have zero evidence that the climate has changed in any measurable way due to human activity. There has been an imperceptible increase in global average temperature (a meaningless metric) and everything else presented are dubious studies that “suggest” we are on the brink of climate apocalypse.

Imperceptible. About a degree since the 70s. That does sound small.

El Nino is the eastern Pacific rising in average temp starting at around 0.5 degree. A very strong El Nino is only 2+ degrees.

So an imperceptible change in water temperature of less than a single degree can impact the climate of Eastern Africa to the Atlantic.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Is Tswizzle under the antiscience impression that science isn't supposed to "suggest" things?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Is Tswizzle under the antiscience impression that science isn't supposed to "suggest" things?

TSwizzle's posts indicate that we can't demonstrate that any of the change, when he allows that there is any change at all, is:

• caused by human activity
• large enough to care
• indicates any particular hardships down the road are fictional

Of course,

• the change was predicted in 70s based on the influence of CO2 in the atmosphere from human activities
• the temp increase is pretty close to that predicted in the 70s up to this point
• the predictions in the 70s indicated that major problems wouldn't be seen for several more decades past the 2020s