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How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

 
 
 
Pozner appeared in my youtube recommendations.
He is 92 (!!!)
He has been of the view that this war is bad but the West absolutely provoked it.
which is the official view of the large part (if not the most) of western independent observers I watch. I disagree with it. The point of provocation is to cause the desired reaction and sooner or later it happens. I mean people don't stop when they fail the first time. Sooner or later it happens. Russia really had no choice, we had a lot of patience with you assholes.
And if you believe the shit you're spewing here, you need to realize that russians believe what they say too. Putin has support of the population, put that in your little heads. Russians believe you are full of shit assholes.
and there is nothing you can do to change that. Of course your "leaders" know that, unlike brainwashed masses.

 
The thing with Pozner and western observers like him is that they start with "Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine"
but then they proceed with discussion and arguments which can only have one conclusion which is "Russia was absolutely right to invade Ukraine"

It's as if "War is bad" is a required sentence to even be allowed in the media.
 
By the way, for context. Pozner left russian TV after 2022 "invasion" and then he was approached by western propaganda operatives in order to work for them. He refused.
 
I remember Pozner well. In the Cold War he was well known Soviet apologist trying to convince us life in Russia was wonderful. It was not hen and is not now. I listened to him on Radio Moscow and watched him on TV over hear.

On short wave radio I listened to English language Chinese communism radio and other communist states.

I know from the past Barbos and Putin are the same old Russian propaganda, the west is out to get us.

The reality is if Russia stays within in its borders and stops making threats nobody in Europe would give a shit what happens in Russia. Like the old communists Putin will not be happy unless he makes Ukraine as miser be as he and Russia is.

Putin needs an imaginary enemy to focus people on.

Pozner under our principle of free speech had a platform over here. No such freedom was given to Americans to speak in Russia, same today.

Pozner says the west made Russia invade? The old Soviet propaganda apologetics he spouted.


Vladimir Pozner did not join the Communist Party at a single defined date, but he became a committed Communist sympathizer during his youth in Europe, in the early 1920s, after the 1917 Russian Revolution and while studying in Paris
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Vladimir Pozner Jr., the French‑born Russian‑American journalist, spent significant parts of his life in the United States, including his early childhood and a later career period there
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Vladimir Pozner Jr. — the French‑born Russian‑American journalist — moved to Moscow in 1952
According to his biographies, Pozner was born in Paris in 1934 and spent his early childhood in New York and Paris before World War II. After the war, his father, Vladimir Pozner Sr., was under FBI scrutiny for pro‑Soviet activities and suspected espionage, which led the family to relocate first to East Berlin and then to Moscow
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He has about as much credibility as Barbos. None.

What should the west do? Russia built the Berlin Wall to keep people in. Europe should build a wall along the Russian birders and keep Russians out.
 
steve_bank said:
Pozner under our principle of free speech had a platform over here.
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No, he does not. He was offered a platform under condition that he would trash Russia/Putin.
steve_bank said:
He has about as much credibility as Barbos. None.
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Everyone who disagrees with your delusions have no credibility.
Keep believing that Putin is evil and has no support in Russia.
 
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Meanwhile, people talk about disastrous interveiw Elensky gave to a yotuber going under "CEO's diary"
I skippeed over it and comments.
Wow, just wow. If their goal was to excite more hatred towards this piece of shit then they did a great job.
At one point british idiot asks him about some people who say that war started in 2014, which is true and a known argument of the russian side implying Maidan coup. That's what it means - Maidan coup theory/point.
That piece of shit turned it around saying "Yeah, you could say that it started with Russia annexing Crimea...."
.... Wow, that piece of shit must be proud of himself for such a genious way out of the question.
Fuck Ukraine and its Elensky. There is no point it talking to these people. They need to be exterminated.
 
barbos said:
which is the official view of the large part (if not the most) of western independent observers I watch.
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You should watch something else.

Something more typical of actual Western observers would be good.

At the very least, something not produced by utter fuckwits.

But then, that would be frowned upon, and make you less of a team-player in the eyes of your bosses, so...
 
I personally doubt that Ukraine loses are 10x of russian.
body exchange ratio is 10x but it does not prove much. bodies which get collected by the other side is a small fraction of the losses. And Ukrainian side is simply not interested in collecting their own bodies, whereas russian side does not leave any bodies for ukrainians to collect.
That's why such a disparity. The guy mentions this argument.
On the other hand Kiev regime does have a weird habit of blurting their losses by attributing them to .... russians.
I guess they are too lazy to make up numbers. so reversing it seems less work to them.'

But analysis is convincing, especially using amputees numbers. With Mediazona he convincingly destroys their low bound numbers. It's quite ingenious how he does that. On my side I have said many times, I literally went to cemetery and counted dead soldiers. Which gave me an estimate about 200-250K, but it is an overestimation because people from the depressed regions (small towns and villages in Siberia) are significantly over represented in the army. Moscow and large cities do not recruit many people into this conflict
 
bilby said:
You should watch something else.
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That stupid lady which interviewed Pozner? Well, I watched her, she is stupid and Pozner politely made that known to her.
I skipped over Elensky interview to that British Idiot. It convinced me that Elensky should be hanged on the spot.
 
barbos said:
Putin has support of the population,
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So did Hitler, Mussolini, Trump, and Kaiser Wilhelm II.

Until they didn't.

"Always remember that the crowd that applauds your coronation is the same crowd that will applaud your beheading. People like a show" - Terry Pratchett, Going Postal.
 
barbos said:
steve_bank said:
Pozner under our principle of free speech had a platform over here.
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No, he does not. He was offered a platform under condition that he would trash Russia/Putin.
steve_bank said:
He has about as much credibility as Barbos. None.
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Everyone who disagrees with your delusions have no credibility.
Keep believing that Putin is evil and has no support in Russia.
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During the Cod War Pozner was a professional Soviet communist propagandist and apologist who appeared here on American TV and radio as a communist.

He sole as a communist in American freely protected by our constitutional principle of free speech which has never existed in Russia, not today.

His job was to present the Soviet Union as a wonderful place to us Americans. A Russian shill.

The collapse of the Soviet Union and resurlting chaos proved Pozner wrong. Today Russia has a dictator.

I checked this with multiple sources, reported by Pravda. Pozner was an elite Soviet communist.

In April 2021, Pozner was forced to cut his birthday celebration short and flee Georgia after his hotel was blockaded by protesters calling him a "Kremlin propagandist". Protesters pelted Pozner's entourage with eggs and were angry with his past statements, where in 2010, Pozner blamed Georgia for the situation that led to the Russo-Georgian War and said: "Georgia lost [Abkhazia] forever" and that it "will never be Georgia's territory again." The visit was permitted by the Georgian government, and Prime Minister Irakli Garibashvili

Pozner, 87, arrived in Tbilisi on March 31, 2021 to celebrate his birthday, accompanied by a large entourage of Russian media figures and friends The TribuneThe Tribune+1. He was staying at the Vinotel hotel, where he had a dinner and was due to remain for a few days
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Same old Russian apologetic.

As to popular support, it is hard for Russians to disagree when it is illegal to crtiticize the war.
under current Russian law, criticizing the war can be illegal, with penalties ranging from fines to up to 15 years in prison, depending on the specific offense and how it is framed.

Legal framework

Since March 2022, Russia has enacted special “war censorship” laws that criminalize certain forms of criticism of the war and the Russian Armed Forces
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The west has its problems, we know it and see itin free press in western nations. But when compared to Russia, Russia is a shithole compared to the west.

The World Series game 2 last night was a great game. Other tan Ukraine nobody but nobody gives a shit about Russia. Americans are enjoying themselves and their freedoms.
 
steve_bank said:
During the Cod War Pozner was a professional Soviet communist propagandist and apologist who appeared here on American TV and radio as a communist.
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Good job!
Now do you have any dirt on remaining thousand of Putin supporters, starting with Daniel Davis, Iulia Mendel, Mersehymer.....
 
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