NobleSavage
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If you test positive for testosterone (or 1000 other drugs) in sports you get banned, even if your doctor prescribes it. Should kids who take Adderall, to get through finals, be kicked out?
Doesn't seem like apples to oranges to me. One is trying to enhance abilities beyond their normal capabilities while the other is trying to approach "normalcy" by using the drug. (Unless you meant kids using it without a prescription.) Anyway, I don't think Aderall actually helps you concentrate any better if you don't have ADD, at least no more than say, coffee does. I could be wrong about that though.
http://www.ncaa.org/health-and-safety/policy/2014-15-ncaa-banned-drugsCaffeine if concentrations in urine exceed 15 micrograms/ml
Doesn't seem like apples to oranges to me. One is trying to enhance abilities beyond their normal capabilities while the other is trying to approach "normalcy" by using the drug. (Unless you meant kids using it without a prescription.) Anyway, I don't think Aderall actually helps you concentrate any better if you don't have ADD, at least no more than say, coffee does. I could be wrong about that though.
Most of the stimulant abuse I witnessed in college was in an effort to pull all-nighters, usually before finals or term-papers, or whatnot. It's not exactly nootropic. Perhaps a more precise analogy would be the use of analgesics during training. Regardless, I don't buy the outright ban on "performance enhancing drugs", but even if I did, I don't see what college students are doing with stimulants as exactly analogous to what professional athletes are doing. For that matter, why should education be run like professional sports?
I sense some ulterior motive in this OP - that is, I don't think you believe that educational institutions should be expelling students for the use of stimulants. You are using that to arrive at another point.
So what are you getting at? The issue of performance enhancing drugs in professional sports? If that's so, then why bring up stimulant use in education?
Most of the stimulant abuse I witnessed in college was in an effort to pull all-nighters, usually before finals or term-papers, or whatnot. It's not exactly nootropic. Perhaps a more precise analogy would be the use of analgesics during training. Regardless, I don't buy the outright ban on "performance enhancing drugs", but even if I did, I don't see what college students are doing with stimulants as exactly analogous to what professional athletes are doing. For that matter, why should education be run like professional sports?
I sense some ulterior motive in this OP - that is, I don't think you believe that educational institutions should be expelling students for the use of stimulants. You are using that to arrive at another point.
So what are you getting at? The issue of performance enhancing drugs in professional sports? If that's so, then why bring up stimulant use in education?
No ulterior motive. I just want to compare the two. I think there is a double standard. Nobody gives a shit if you use a stimulants to get better grades. In sports that behavior it's banned.
The point of a sports competition is to test whether the other player/team can play the game better than you. The point of finals is to test whether you've learned the course material.If you test positive for testosterone (or 1000 other drugs) in sports you get banned, even if your doctor prescribes it. Should kids who take Adderall, to get through finals, be kicked out?
The point of a sports competition is to test whether the other player/team can play the game better than you. The point of finals is to test whether you've learned the course material.If you test positive for testosterone (or 1000 other drugs) in sports you get banned, even if your doctor prescribes it. Should kids who take Adderall, to get through finals, be kicked out?
Maybe so; but it's not supposed to be. Academia is supposed to be about shared pursuit of knowledge, not crushing the other guy; to apply sports standards would be to abandon the ideal, and embrace school as a game to be won or lost. If you want to talk "double standards", PEDs are the least of the issue. In sports it's perfectly okay to shove somebody and knock him over to get him away from the puck; if you shove another student to the ground to get him away from a math problem he can answer better than you they'll expel you.I'd say academic competition is every bit as fierce as professional sports.
Good luck with that. If we are gonna have a meritocracy we will have lots of competition.Maybe so; but it's not supposed to be.I'd say academic competition is every bit as fierce as professional sports.