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Those Terrorists in Nevada

It really must be difficult to be a writer for parody sites like the Onion these days when real life keeps trumping you with inane bullshit.
Way back when, either Saturday Night Live, or Second City Television decided to write a skit spoofing the Dukes of Hazard.

They couldn't manage it. There was no way they could make a comic lampoon of a show that was essentially a lampoon of itself.

Maybe... Maybe the geniuses behind the movement have decided to pre-lampoon their positions and behaviors JUST SO they don't end up in the Onion or in political cartoons. SO they can't be POEed.

Like, a preemptive move to look so silly they simply MUST be taken seriously....

Its like an episode of 30 Rock, where Jenna tries to write a song that Weird Al cannot parody because its already silly, called "Fart so Loud". But Weird Al "Nomal Als" the song, turning it into a serious patriotic song called "Heart so Proud".
 
Not quite. McVeigh was seeking to and did kill government agents connected to the military, ATF, DEA, and secret service as an act of retaliation for Waco and Ruby Ridge. Technically, they "civilians" but much closer enemy combatants in what he saw as a war between the Fed government and the people than the people that Bundy has threatened to murder (and yes, all reasonable people understand that he has threatened murder).
The day-care center was just a bonus I suppose... :mad:
McVeigh is just a fucking homicidal psychopath with delusions of grandeur. You'd probably have more validity coming up with apologetics for Manson.
 
At this point, I wonder what happens if the BLM just starts building a fence, and encourages Bundy to consider which side of it he wants the cattle on when it's complete. Anything on BLM side, of course, is no longer accessible to Bundy. In fact, if they started right now saying, "you can leave those cattle here, if you like, but no cowhand of yours has permission to enter this space."
 
At this point, I wonder what happens if the BLM just starts building a fence, and encourages Bundy to consider which side of it he wants the cattle on when it's complete. Anything on BLM side, of course, is no longer accessible to Bundy. In fact, if they started right now saying, "you can leave those cattle here, if you like, but no cowhand of yours has permission to enter this space."

He'd just bulldoze it.
 
At this point, I wonder what happens if the BLM just starts building a fence, and encourages Bundy to consider which side of it he wants the cattle on when it's complete. Anything on BLM side, of course, is no longer accessible to Bundy. In fact, if they started right now saying, "you can leave those cattle here, if you like, but no cowhand of yours has permission to enter this space."

He'd just bulldoze it.


At which point he can be treated just like anyone else who is destroying public property/buildings such as with a bomb. We know what to do with them...
 
At this point, I wonder what happens if the BLM just starts building a fence, and encourages Bundy to consider which side of it he wants the cattle on when it's complete. Anything on BLM side, of course, is no longer accessible to Bundy. In fact, if they started right now saying, "you can leave those cattle here, if you like, but no cowhand of yours has permission to enter this space."

They have already pulled an armed robbery of the BLM. You really think a fence will matter??
 
They have already pulled an armed robbery of the BLM. You really think a fence will matter??

To them? No. To the optics of a government response? Yes. Hard to sell an armed response to being a deadbeat. Much easier to sell against a person in the act of destroying to public property.
 
They have already pulled an armed robbery of the BLM. You really think a fence will matter??

To them? No. To the optics of a government response? Yes. Hard to sell an armed response to being a deadbeat. Much easier to sell against a person in the act of destroying to public property.

But they already pulled an armed robbery. That's a far worse crime than breaking down a fence.

The problem is the feds are trying to solve this without a firefight--which means it's basically impossible to solve and their actions just make things worse.
 
Anyway, so far what I'm seeing is a government/police force that is very very brave when it comes time to clear out peaceful protestors. Handful of skinny hippies singing Kumbaya on public property? Whatever police or enforcement you have on hand shows up to deal with those dangerous radicals. Using a high degree of force, because they may be brave, but they're not foolish, and those hippies could have concealed weapons, they could be capable of anything...

But a large, well-organized, and well-armed group of people commit a robbery and yeah, we need to talk about our differences and shit. I mean, this has only been in court for 20 years. Maybe there's a way to diffuse this peacefully.
 
Anyway, so far what I'm seeing is a government/police force that is very very brave when it comes time to clear out peaceful protestors. Handful of skinny hippies singing Kumbaya on public property? Whatever police or enforcement you have on hand shows up to deal with those dangerous radicals. Using a high degree of force, because they may be brave, but they're not foolish, and those hippies could have concealed weapons, they could be capable of anything...

But a large, well-organized, and well-armed group of people commit a robbery and yeah, we need to talk about our differences and shit. I mean, this has only been in court for 20 years. Maybe there's a way to diffuse this peacefully.

Had things gone badly out there it easily could have turned into a bloodbath.
 
I get that no one wants to see another "Waco" or whatever, so they're playing things soft...

...but you've got a semi-organized gang of heavily armed yahoos absolutely certain that someone somewhere is oppressing them and the only way to put a stop to it is shooting some people.

With that kind of element in play, avoiding confrontation doesn't really guarantee no one dies.
 
I get that no one wants to see another "Waco" or whatever, so they're playing things soft...

...but you've got a semi-organized gang of heavily armed yahoos absolutely certain that someone somewhere is oppressing them and the only way to put a stop to it is shooting some people.

With that kind of element in play, avoiding confrontation doesn't really guarantee no one dies.

Yeah. There are times it's better to fight than to let the other side think it can intimidate you. I think this was one of them.
 
I feel bad for Bundy's neighbors. I shudder to think what will happen when someone (probably a teenaged male) blows through the "checkpoints" these armed assholes set up. Whoever does it will be perfectly within their rights to ignore these yahoos, but will probably wind up dead anyway. Then all hell will break loose.
 
I feel bad for Bundy's neighbors. I shudder to think what will happen when someone (probably a teenaged male) blows through the "checkpoints" these armed assholes set up. Whoever does it will be perfectly within their rights to ignore these yahoos, but will probably wind up dead anyway. Then all hell will break loose.

That's probably a relatively low body-count scenario among the ways this could develop if they're left to their own devices.

If some kind of confrontation between a group of armed locals and the out-state militias develops there could be a real bloodbath.

I think unconditional capitulation with these militias is probably the only way to handle things that has a chance of not producing any corpses, but I don't think it's a guarantee.

I suppose I should say we don't know that assorted law enforcement is doing nothing about this. They could be preparing some kind of fast and hard strike on all points kind of semi-military action and not talking about it much. Or, since these assholes think they're heroes and keep doing interviews about how they're boldly standing up against tyranny by engaging in armed robbery, it could just be that the FBI is hoping they'll all wander off in a month or two, and can then be scooped up individually.

But fuck. In every case of police brutality we hear a bunch of bullshit justifications about how criminals are dangerous and organized and violent and so police forces need to be militarized and strike with maximum force and minimum warning to provide the criminals minimal opportunity to retaliate.

And so we see these militarized forces deployed, full of men conditioned to regard everyone they encounter on the job as an enemy combatant and lethal threat, and they go raid people for having illegal poker games or growing pot or living in the same apartment building as someone who grows pot.

And, unsurprisingly, people get dead. Psyched up, heavily armed troops conditioned to regard the situation as lethal and respond lethally, and of course people are going to die that didn't have to.

And here it is for real. Here are real, live armed and organized criminals loudly declaring their intent to respond violently to any kind of law enforcement. These are the guys who can't be diffused non-violently. Bullshit like this is the only possible justification for police departments to have APCs. These are the kinds of dangerous men a militarized police for is for. Where the fuck is it?
 
So, I haven't been following this story much. Has the right ring media forgotten about how they're on his side as completely as the right wingers who were waxing poetic about his noble and historic struggle earlier in this thread have?
 
FBI has opened an investigation

I have to be honest and say that the best thing I took away from this article was seeing the term "Y'all Qaeda" coined in the comments.

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Y'all Qaeda reclaims ATV trails their ancestors used 130 years ago to decimate Native American ruins and burial grounds

In 2007, an illegal ATV trail was discovered, sections of which ran right through some of these archaeological sites. The BLM then ruled that motorized vehicles were illegal in the canyon, and ATV and anti-federal enthusiasts have protested ever since -- well before the Bundy Ranch debacle.

"For 130 years people have been using that canyon as a highway," Lyman told the Salt Lake Tribune, apparently not realizing that 130 years ago, motorized vehicles were only just being invented and were certainly not in mainstream use.

Haven't these guys seen Poltergeist? You do NOT fuck around with indian burial grounds.
 
FBI has opened an investigation

I have to be honest and say that the best thing I took away from this article was seeing the term "Y'all Qaeda" coined in the comments.

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Y'all Qaeda reclaims ATV trails their ancestors used 130 years ago to decimate Native American ruins and burial grounds

In 2007, an illegal ATV trail was discovered, sections of which ran right through some of these archaeological sites. The BLM then ruled that motorized vehicles were illegal in the canyon, and ATV and anti-federal enthusiasts have protested ever since -- well before the Bundy Ranch debacle.

"For 130 years people have been using that canyon as a highway," Lyman told the Salt Lake Tribune, apparently not realizing that 130 years ago, motorized vehicles were only just being invented and were certainly not in mainstream use.

Haven't these guys seen Poltergeist? You do NOT fuck around with indian burial grounds.
You can, you just have to move the bodies as well as the tombstones.
 
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