What about the White Men????????

[AthenaAwakened]

Whether there are people in the picture or not is irrelevant to the question. You set up a scenario, the picture is a visual aid to that scenario ("Would it be racist for an organization to target white poverty? Say, whites living in places like this?



Or is their "white privilege" already all the help they need?

If it is racist, then why is it fine for organizations to target only black poverty? Why not target all poverty?"). The scenario, not its visual aid is the thing, is it not? You seem to want to address poverty, and i want to be sure that is what you are saying. So you see not poor people, but poverty?

I see people living in poverty and/or living in impoverished areas. Don't know why you are trying to make this so overly complex and are taking such a round-about way to make a point. If you have a point to make, make it.

I am not making it overly complex. you are. you could have just answer the question when first asked.

Do you see a difference between seeing poor people and seeing poverty?

 

[Axulus]

I see people living in poverty and/or living in impoverished areas. Don't know why you are trying to make this so overly complex and are taking such a round-about way to make a point. If you have a point to make, make it.

I am not making it overly complex. you are. you could have just answer the question when first asked.

Do you see a difference between seeing poor people and seeing poverty?

The poverty that is seen is the physical manifestation of people who are poor and live in poverty. Once again, I don't understand what the relevance is of the question.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

What organizations target only black poverty?

National Urban League:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Urban_League

United Negro College Fund:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_Fund

100 Black Men of America:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Black_Men_of_America

Among others.

These aren't anti-poverty organizations. Their primary goals are not fighting poverty.

 

[Axulus]

National Urban League:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Urban_League

United Negro College Fund:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_Fund

100 Black Men of America:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Black_Men_of_America

Among others.

These aren't anti-poverty organizations. Their primary goals are not fighting poverty.

Fighting poverty is certainly part of the goal of these organizations.

For example, on the front page of National Urban League:

The Coca-ColaCompany, along with the National Urban League and other sponsors, announced a $1 million women’s empowerment initiative in North America to provide financial literacy, job training, entrepreneurship and business development to women in 10 cities across the United States.

This initiative certainly has reducing poverty as one of it's goals in mind, among others.

 

[Trausti]

This seems topical: http://www.startribune.com/survey-school-bullying-at-lowest-ebb-in-10-years/303858521/

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I am not making it overly complex. you are. you could have just answer the question when first asked.

Do you see a difference between seeing poor people and seeing poverty?

The poverty that is seen is the physical manifestation of people who are poor and live in poverty. Once again, I don't understand what the relevance is of the question.

I think you do understand (if I have noticed nothing else about you, I have noticed you are not stupid, dense, or uninformed), hence the excess verbiage instead of the YES or NO asked for.

Do you see any differentiation between poor people (people lacking material wealth) and poverty (a social condition of want)?

 

[Bronzeage]

What organizations target only black poverty?

National Urban League:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Urban_League

United Negro College Fund:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_Fund

100 Black Men of America:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Black_Men_of_America

Among others.

Political and civil rights organizations have far wider targets than black poverty.

Why do you think white people live in the neighborhood in your photo? I don't see any Confederate flags and the only vehicle in the picture appears to have all four tires.

 

[Axulus]

The poverty that is seen is the physical manifestation of people who are poor and live in poverty. Once again, I don't understand what the relevance is of the question.

I think you do understand (if I have noticed nothing else about you, I have noticed you are not stupid, dense, or uninformed), hence the excess verbiage instead of the YES or NO asked for.

Do you see any differentiation between poor people (people lacking material wealth) and poverty (a social condition of want)?

What do you mean by "a social condition of want"?

Yes, I agree that the common definition of people who are poor and people who are living in poverty typically refers to two different sets of people, with a lot of overlap between the two groups.

 

[Axulus]

Political and civil rights organizations have far wider targets than black poverty.

Their focus is on black communities and fighting poverty among the black communities they target is one of their areas of focus.

Why do you think white people live in the neighborhood in your photo? I don't see any Confederate flags and the only vehicle in the picture appears to have all four tires.

I said "places like this" - there are areas of white poverty, where whites live in trailer parks.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I said "places like this" - there are areas of white poverty, where whites live in trailer parks.

Do you frequent these places? I noticed you mentioned trailer parks. Are trailer parks automatically a sign of poverty?

 

[Axulus]

I said "places like this" - there are areas of white poverty, where whites live in trailer parks.

Do you frequent these places? I noticed you mentioned trailer parks. Are trailer parks automatically a sign of poverty?

What do you mean "automatically"? Yes, it is a sign but not 100% guaranteed proof of poverty. Just like smoke is a sign of a fire, but not 100% proof of it.

What does me frequenting trailer parks have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[fromderinside]

Their focus is on black communities and fighting poverty among the black communities they target is one of their areas of focus.

Why do you think white people live in the neighborhood in your photo? I don't see any Confederate flags and the only vehicle in the picture appears to have all four tires.

I said "places like this" - there are areas of white poverty, where whites live in trailer parks.

So you'd agree with the images I posted for those in apparently the same socia-economic condition. Apparently you disagree with my typification of why whites don't deserve to whine. Let me add another. As a group whites have both more people, money and social authority (cops,judges, city hall, law) than blacks. Is it appropriate for ones in that position to whine that they are the being discriminated against?

 

[Axulus]

Their focus is on black communities and fighting poverty among the black communities they target is one of their areas of focus.



I said "places like this" - there are areas of white poverty, where whites live in trailer parks.

So you'd agree with the images I posted for those in apparently the same socia-economic condition. Apparently you disagree with my typification of why whites don't deserve to whine. Let me add another. As a group whites have both more people, money and social authority (cops,judges, city hall, law) than blacks. Is it appropriate for ones in that position to whine that they are the being discriminated against?

You don't think there are at times some forms of discrimination against "rednecks" or "white trash"? On what grounds do they not have the right to complain against discrimination?

How many people who grew up in trailer parks are in positions of social authority?

I agree that white people who complain that they are discriminated against solely on the basis of the color of their skin is more often than not not based on any kind of reality. However, such instances do at times occur and we should be just as upset when such instances do occur as when any kind of discrimination occurs. I would not say that such instances are common enough to really be a big societal problem.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Do you frequent these places? I noticed you mentioned trailer parks. Are trailer parks automatically a sign of poverty?

What do you mean "automatically"? Yes, it is a sign but not 100% guaranteed proof of poverty. Just like smoke is a sign of a fire, but not 100% proof of it.

What does me frequenting trailer parks have to do with the price of tea in China?

I meant do you ever visit places were people live in poverty. Like others have pointed out, the place you posted might not house impoverished people, those people might be getting along fine. Four good tires and all.

 

[J842P]

Their focus is on black communities and fighting poverty among the black communities they target is one of their areas of focus.



I said "places like this" - there are areas of white poverty, where whites live in trailer parks.

So you'd agree with the images I posted for those in apparently the same socia-economic condition. Apparently you disagree with my typification of why whites don't deserve to whine. Let me add another. As a group whites have both more people, money and social authority (cops,judges, city hall, law) than blacks. Is it appropriate for ones in that position to whine that they are the being discriminated against?

Like in Baltimore.

 

[Axulus]

What do you mean "automatically"? Yes, it is a sign but not 100% guaranteed proof of poverty. Just like smoke is a sign of a fire, but not 100% proof of it.

What does me frequenting trailer parks have to do with the price of tea in China?

I meant do you ever visit places were people live in poverty. Like others have pointed out, the place you posted might not house impoverished people, those people might be getting along fine. Four good tires and all.

The probability that such places house impoverished people is significantly greater than your suburb area with houses in good repair and nicely kept lawns. This does not mean that some people in such areas are not getting along just fine (that some of them are not living in poverty, but rather are just living frugally but are otherwise financially able to meet their basic needs with sufficient buffer).

 

[Bronzeage]

Their focus is on black communities and fighting poverty among the black communities they target is one of their areas of focus.

Why do you think white people live in the neighborhood in your photo? I don't see any Confederate flags and the only vehicle in the picture appears to have all four tires.

I said "places like this" - there are areas of white poverty, where whites live in trailer parks.

Why is it surprising when a group of people wake up one morning and realize God helps those who help themselves and go to work to help themselves?

The problem of groups who target white poverty is they tend to concentrate on maintaining black poverty as their chief strategy, as if a reduction in black poverty means whites will have to take their place. Of course, the best way to keep any group in poverty is to restrict education and political access.

 

[Axulus]

The problem of groups who target white poverty is they tend to concentrate on maintaining black poverty as their chief strategy, as if a reduction in black poverty means whites will have to take their place. Of course, the best way to keep any group in poverty is to restrict education and political access.

So your problem would be the methods of such groups, not necessarily the group they target in helping? I agree that such methods are despicable, but I would criticize them based on the methods as well as their strict focus on skin color. I think it best when groups transcend skin color and focus on people who need the most help or who have experienced discrimination (whether they be black or are associated with negative stereotypes of growing up in a trailer park), regardless of skin color.

 

[fromderinside]

So you'd agree with the images I posted for those in apparently the same socia-economic condition. Apparently you disagree with my typification of why whites don't deserve to whine. Let me add another. As a group whites have both more people, money and social authority (cops,judges, city hall, law) than blacks. Is it appropriate for ones in that position to whine that they are the being discriminated against?

You don't think there are at times some forms of discrimination against "rednecks" or "white trash"? On what grounds do they not have the right to complain against discrimination?

How many people who grew up in trailer parks are in positions of social authority?

I agree that white people who complain that they are discriminated against solely on the basis of the color of their skin don't have a leg to stand on, if that's what you mean.

Ask the white who are using these people as their leverage point for complaining against blacks. Sees to the you've identified only one leg of legitimate complaint. I suspect the other is minority denigration of some sort, like being a 'jew', a 'kike,' and 'nick', a 'fag', a 'cunt', a 'pussy' or something along those lines. There might even be a third leg like a stool. But there will never be a white evangelical eligible for whining in the US.*

Its the largest of the religious groups in the US and among the religious comes the highest incidence of bigotry.

 

[Axulus]

You don't think there are at times some forms of discrimination against "rednecks" or "white trash"? On what grounds do they not have the right to complain against discrimination?

How many people who grew up in trailer parks are in positions of social authority?

I agree that white people who complain that they are discriminated against solely on the basis of the color of their skin don't have a leg to stand on, if that's what you mean.

Ask the white who are using these people as their leverage point for complaining against blacks. Sees to the you've identified only one leg of legitimate complaint. I suspect the other is minority denigration of some sort, like being a 'jew', a 'kike,' and 'nick', a 'fag', a 'cunt', a 'pussy' or something along those lines. There might even be a third leg like a stool. But there will never be a white evangelical eligible for whining in the US.*

Its the largest of the religious groups in the US and among the religious comes the highest incidence of bigotry.

If they are complaining that they have experienced discrimination because they are white and evangelical, we shouldn't just simply dismiss their experience out of hand, but neither is such forms of discrimination common enough to really merit society's attention. When such discrimination does legitimately manifest itself, we should certainly condemn it as we condemn other forms of discrimination. Just because whites and evangelicals have social positions of power does not make legitimate instances of discrimination against them somehow something that we should just ignore and ridicule those who complain about such instances.

On the other hand, if they are being discriminated against because they grew up in a trailer park, but they also happen to be white and evangelical, I think their claims may merit more of our attention.