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Don't drive around with a pressure cooker in your car!

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DC police saw a pressure cooker in the back of a car. They broke into the car aided by U.S. Park Police, the U.S. Secret Service, and the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. Then they had a bomb squad safety detonated the pressure cooker. Oops. False alarm.

But they can't admit it was a total fuck up so they checkout the car registration and find that the owner had a revoked drivers license. Obviously, if a car you own is parked someplace it means you drove it, so they put out an APB and arrested the guy.

http://wtop.com/dc/2015/05/police-bomb-squad-checks-suspicious-vehicle-near-capitol/
 
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A better headline would have been "don't park your car on the Washington Mall with a pressure cooker visible in the back".

Which seems like good advice.
 
A better headline would have been "don't park your car on the Washington Mall with a pressure cooker visible in the back".

Which seems like good advice.

I bet they are issuing warnings on pressure cookers in all the paramilitary law enforcement academies around the US. Being on the lookout for terrorists is just as important in Peoria!!!
 
DC police saw a pressure cooker in the back of a car. They broke into the car aided by U.S. Park Police, the U.S. Secret Service, and the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. Then they had a bomb squad safety detonated the pressure cooker. Oops. False alarm.

But they can't admit it was a total fuck up so they checkout the car registration and find that the owner had a revoked drivers license. Obviously, if a car you own is parked someplace it means you drove it, so they put out an APB and arrested the guy.

http://wtop.com/dc/2015/05/police-bomb-squad-checks-suspicious-vehicle-near-capitol/

I need a drink now. Too bad I'm in a meeting (a very boring meeting) and have to be all responsible and shit.

I also now have to buy a pressure cooker just to drive around because ... FREEDOM!
 
In my state you can drive around with a loaded gun. You only need a permit if you conceal it. You never know when you might need to shoot a terorist with a pressure cooker!
 
DC police saw a pressure cooker in the back of a car. They broke into the car aided by U.S. Park Police, the U.S. Secret Service, and the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. Then they had a bomb squad safety detonated the pressure cooker. Oops. False alarm.

But they can't admit it was a total fuck up so they checkout the car registration and find that the owner had a revoked drivers license. Obviously, if a car you own is parked someplace it means you drove it, so they put out an APB and arrested the guy.

http://wtop.com/dc/2015/05/police-bomb-squad-checks-suspicious-vehicle-near-capitol/

"She added that the vehicle owner was located and her statement identified him as Israel Shimeles of the Washington suburb of Alexandria, Virginia."
 
I sense a business opportunity.
A little app that'll tell cops about every single item used either as a weapon or part of a bomb or a distraction during a crime. The cop takes a photo of a car, the app highlights the probable cause, he calls dispatch and gets permission to break into the car, house or whatever.

It'll never be finished, because we can include actual crimes AND everything off of TV or out of a movie or a book, because clearly people can be inspired by fiction to go out and cause damage.

So if a car has a pressure cooker, we reference them to the explosions that happened.
IF a car has a visible Meerschaum, that was the signature of a villain in one of the Destroyer books.
If the car contains canned air, a spy used those to cause a plane to make an emergency landing in one of those straight-to-video thrillers.
And if the car has absolutely nothing in it that could justify breaking, entering and searching, we issue a warrant for the driver, for 'wasting cops' time.'
 
I sense a business opportunity.
A little app that'll tell cops about every single item used either as a weapon or part of a bomb or a distraction during a crime. The cop takes a photo of a car, the app highlights the probable cause, he calls dispatch and gets permission to break into the car, house or whatever.

It'll never be finished, because we can include actual crimes AND everything off of TV or out of a movie or a book, because clearly people can be inspired by fiction to go out and cause damage.

So if a car has a pressure cooker, we reference them to the explosions that happened.
IF a car has a visible Meerschaum, that was the signature of a villain in one of the Destroyer books.
If the car contains canned air, a spy used those to cause a plane to make an emergency landing in one of those straight-to-video thrillers.
And if the car has absolutely nothing in it that could justify breaking, entering and searching, we issue a warrant for the driver, for 'wasting cops' time.'

Sure, we can tie it in with Google Earth and Street View as well. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/google-earth-detectives-cannabis-farm-2486918). And I bet we can get big kickbacks from Corrections Corporation of America.
 
A better headline would have been "don't park your car on the Washington Mall with a pressure cooker visible in the back".

Which seems like good advice.
That really seems counterintuitive.

I've never made a blow-people-up bomb, but I've committed a few pranks. Dit-dot bombs and a few others. And whenever possible, I've hidden as much of the prank as possible. I'm always certain someone'll see the bomb part or the springs or the mongoose, and do something to lessen the effect. I try to make it blend in with the setting.
If I was going to bomb the Mall, i'd have put the pressure cooker in a bag from one of the Smithsonian gift shops. No one'd look at it twice.

Which makes me wonder how many times have cops successfully identified and prematurely detonated an actual bomb just by looking around?

We keep hearing tales of security identifying pressure cookers or fruit-cake wrapped in foil as potential bombs and an anti-climactic premature explosion. What's the success rate? Has this practice saved ANY lives?
 
A better headline would have been "don't park your car on the Washington Mall with a pressure cooker visible in the back".

Which seems like good advice.
That really seems counterintuitive.

I've never made a blow-people-up bomb, but I've committed a few pranks. Dit-dot bombs and a few others. And whenever possible, I've hidden as much of the prank as possible. I'm always certain someone'll see the bomb part or the springs or the mongoose, and do something to lessen the effect. I try to make it blend in with the setting.
If I was going to bomb the Mall, i'd have put the pressure cooker in a bag from one of the Smithsonian gift shops. No one'd look at it twice.

Which makes me wonder how many times have cops successfully identified and prematurely detonated an actual bomb just by looking around?

We keep hearing tales of security identifying pressure cookers or fruit-cake wrapped in foil as potential bombs and an anti-climactic premature explosion. What's the success rate? Has this practice saved ANY lives?

If it became common police practice to ignore pressure cookers in the backs of cars then people who wanted to plant bombs wouldn't have to hide them.

To me it's basic prudence that if you see a pressure cooker in a touristy area you check it out given the relative popularity of pressure cooker bombs.

2010–present[edit]

Step-by-step instructions for making pressure cooker bombs were published in an article titled "Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom" in the Al-Qaeda-linked Inspire magazine in the summer of 2010, by "The AQ chef".[4][11][12] The article says "the pressurized cooker is the most effective method" for making a simple bomb.[13] It describes how to fill the cooker with shrapnel and gunpowder, and to create a detonator using the filament of a light bulb and a clock timer.[14] Analysts believe the work was the brainchild of Anwar al-Awlaki, and edited by him and by Samir Khan.[15][16] Inspire's goal is to encourage "lone wolf" Jihadis to attack what they view as the enemies of Jihad, including the United States and its allies.[17]

More recently there were three Islamic radical terrorist cases in the West that involved pressure cooker bombs.[8] The unsuccessful Times Square car bombing attempt in May 2010, in New York City, included a pressure cooker bomb which failed to detonate.[7][8][10][18] The bomb-maker, Faisal Shahzad, was sentenced to life in prison.[7] In the December 2010 Stockholm bombings, a suicide bomber with extreme views on Islam set up a pressure cooker bomb, which failed to detonate.[8][19] In July 2011, Naser Jason Abdo, a U.S. Army private at Fort Hood, Texas, who took pressure cooker bomb-making tips from the Al-Qaeda magazine article, was arrested for planning to blow up a restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers. Two pressure cookers and bomb-making materials were found in his hotel room.[8][18][20] He was sentenced to life in prison.[18]

In Pakistan, in March 2010, terrorists bombed the U.S.-based Christian aid group World Vision International, killing six employees, using a remotely detonated pressure cooker bomb.[18][21] In October 2012, French police found a makeshift pressure cooker with bomb-making materials near Paris as part of an investigation into an attack on a kosher grocery store.[10]

Two pressure cooker bombs were used in the Boston Marathon bombings in April 2013.[22] The pressure cookers were filled with nails, ball bearings, and black powder. Initially, it was believed the devices were triggered by kitchen-type egg timers,[23] however, subsequent evidence indicated a remote device was used to trigger the bombs.[24] The bombers allegedly obtained instructions to build the pressure cooker bombs from the Inspire magazine article published by al Qaeda.[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_cooker_bomb

If it turns out not to be a bomb the only person harmed is the dumbass who brought a pressure cooker to the Washington Mall.
 
If it became common police practice to ignore pressure cookers in the backs of cars then people who wanted to plant bombs wouldn't have to hide them.
I'm not saying ignore, i'm asking how likely is it that a bomb is left out where passersby will note it?
The bomber will know it's a bomb and act in anticipation of people walking by.
To me it's basic prudence that if you see a pressure cooker in a touristy area you check it out given the relative popularity of pressure cooker bombs.
'Check it out' is synonymous with 'blow it to hell just in case,' then?

2010–present[edit]

Step-by-step instructions for making pressure cooker bombs were published ....
Okay. And were any of those left out in the open, visible up to the blast?
If it turns out not to be a bomb the only person harmed is the dumbass who brought a pressure cooker to the Washington Mall.
So, the history of car bombs means that if the cops blew up your car because of suspicion, you'd identify yourself as a dumbass.

I'm still wondering if there's any sort of history of the premature explosions working?
Not the cases where a bomb threat leads to finding a bomb, then blowing up the identified bomb. Just grabbing shit that makes the cops uneasy. how often do they intuitively find a bomb?
 
I'm not saying ignore, i'm asking how likely is it that a bomb is left out where passersby will note it?

This strikes me as silly philosophizing. Just because something is too obvious to be a threat does not mean it is not a threat. People do stupid things. If I saw someone trying to light his shoes on fire on an airplane I would not take the position "this can't be someone trying to blow up the plane because no one actually wanting to blow up a plane would be stupid enough to try and light his shoes on fire on an airplane".

Also, there are people who get their jollies from luring in and blowing up first responders.

'Check it out' is synonymous with 'blow it to hell just in case,' then?

Yes, for bomb squads I believe it is.
 
This strikes me as silly philosophizing. Just because something is too obvious to be a threat does not mean it is not a threat.
But we're ultimately talking about someone who did not break the law having property broken into by paranoid police, with property being blown up for paranoia.
It's not a crime to own or transport a pressure cooker. But you're backing up the police acting like they're an occupying force.
People do stupid things. If I saw someone trying to light his shoes on fire on an airplane I would not take the position "this can't be someone trying to blow up the plane because no one actually wanting to blow up a plane would be stupid enough to try and light his shoes on fire on an airplane".
And that's a silly analogy. It'd be closer if you saw someone with shoes on an airplane and assumed that at some point he might try to light them on fire and took appropriate actions for your fantasy.
Also, there are people who get their jollies from luring in and blowing up first responders.
Which tends to require a bomb to get people to respond to in the first place.
There was nothing here for 'first responders' to respond to.
'Check it out' is synonymous with 'blow it to hell just in case,' then?
Yes, for bomb squads I believe it is.
But the jump from 'I see a pressure cooker' to 'the bomb squad responding' is my question.
Has this been a largely or even minimally successful tactic?

How many bombs have been identified by casual observation?
 
How many bombs have been identified by casual observation?

Why do you keep playing this argument as if this is some sort of trump card?

Knowing there is a history of pressure cooker bombs, if you were in a crowded public place and saw someone leave a pressure cooker in plain sight what is the more prudent option?

1) Treat the pressure cooker as if it may be a bomb
2) Assume that it is not a bomb because no bomber would leave a bomb in plain sight
 
Why do you keep playing this argument as if this is some sort of trump card?
Argument?
That's the question I was asking.
I'm not asking if your approve of what the cops did or if you can apologize for the behavior, i'm seriously questioning does this tactic produce any actual results? What's the scoresheet? How many actual bombs have been prematurely blown up after casual identification?

Terribly sorry if the question marks escaped your attention.
 
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