Huh. Never noticed my islamic shipmates....

[Keith&Co.]

I was on subs for the 80's and the 90's.
There were no women there.
They've put women on the Boomer subs and this week they have court martialed one of the sailors on one of those ships.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...retly-videotaped-showering-on-submarines.html
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...female-officer.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=6

A missile tech on the USS Wyoming had quite a racket set up. Missile Techs on watch near the exercise gear would tell him when the female officers finished a workout. He'd squeeze into what we called the wine cellar, a maintenance space outside of the officer's shower and set up his cell phone to film them showering.

Then he'd trade the films like Pokémon Cards for energy drinks or other treats from the other guys.

It's pretty despicable. His behavior, the behavior of those who traded with him and all those who looked the other way while this was going on.

What gets me, though, are the comments.

Sailor after sailor bragging about how much time they spent on the pond, during or overlapping my service, and placing the blame entirely on the political correctness of putting women on subs.

They sound just like the Duggars or the Islamics who maintain that men just can't help themselves in the vicinity of available women, or exposed women, or women dressed (undressed) to seduce.

It's just 'not a surprise,' evidently, that we can give a guy one of the highest security clearances in the military, to deal with nuclear targeting information, but we can NOT trust him to treat crew members with the bare minimum respect of not going to some effort to get naked shower pics and spread them to other crewmen.

 

[dystopian]

Huh, wonder if we'll get stories like this over here now that they're finally letting Dutch women serve on our attack subs. Might be a bigger deal on our current Walrus class subs than the future sub the navy wants to have designed so they can replace our current ones 15 years from now; that one'll be designed from the get-go with a men/woman mix in mind; so privacy will be more automatic.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Probably. There were horror stories when they let women onto surface ships, and more when they were added to surface combat ships, and the horror stories of Tailhook.....
And now submarines...
Eventually, though, there is growth and it becomes commonplace and complacency sets in and people telling dismissive stories about how grandpa used to talk about how letting blacks on the bridge meant the Navy was going to Hell and act like we're all superior now, what with blacks and gays and women all on the same deckplates....



Until the cyborg sailors start to complain about people futzing with their recharge stations....

 

[dystopian]

Probably. There were horror stories when they let women onto surface ships, and more when they were added to surface combat ships, and the horror stories of Tailhook.....
And now submarines...
Eventually, though, there is growth and it becomes commonplace and complacency sets in and people telling dismissive stories about how grandpa used to talk about how letting blacks on the bridge meant the Navy was going to Hell and act like we're all superior now, what with blacks and gays and women all on the same deckplates....



Until the cyborg sailors start to complain about people futzing with their recharge stations....

It actually seems it was a bit of a "oh dear, we're awfully late being progressive" moment in the media over here. Norway has had female sailors on subs for forty years, and even the Americans beat us to it by a few years. Of course, American subs are substantially bigger and can actually be renovated to allow for a multi-gendered crew whereas the Walrus class just doesn't have the room. Most countries only allowed women to serve on their subs around the same time they had to start designing replacements for their existing subs; so I guess we have a decent enough excuse.

 

[bilby]

Many parts of the British armed forces have benefited from their long-standing commitment to the class system.

Military bases (and presumably most surface ships) were designed and built with duplicated bathroom facilities from the very beginning, so to accommodate female service personnel, they could simply leave the sign on one door, that read 'MEN', and change the sign on the other door from 'OFFICERS' to 'WOMEN'.

I recall a young lady at RAF Biggin Hill in the 1980s asking why there were urinals in the ladies toilets, and that was the explanation given

Of course, one of the hardships of being a submarine officer was that you had to share the facilities with the other ranks. That might explain why it took until last year for the Royal Navy to allow women to serve on submarines.

 

[credoconsolans]

I was on subs for the 80's and the 90's.
There were no women there.
They've put women on the Boomer subs and this week they have court martialed one of the sailors on one of those ships.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...retly-videotaped-showering-on-submarines.html
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...female-officer.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=6

A missile tech on the USS Wyoming had quite a racket set up. Missile Techs on watch near the exercise gear would tell him when the female officers finished a workout. He'd squeeze into what we called the wine cellar, a maintenance space outside of the officer's shower and set up his cell phone to film them showering.

Then he'd trade the films like Pokémon Cards for energy drinks or other treats from the other guys.

It's pretty despicable. His behavior, the behavior of those who traded with him and all those who looked the other way while this was going on.

What gets me, though, are the comments.

Sailor after sailor bragging about how much time they spent on the pond, during or overlapping my service, and placing the blame entirely on the political correctness of putting women on subs.

They sound just like the Duggars or the Islamics who maintain that men just can't help themselves in the vicinity of available women, or exposed women, or women dressed (undressed) to seduce.

It's just 'not a surprise,' evidently, that we can give a guy one of the highest security clearances in the military, to deal with nuclear targeting information, but we can NOT trust him to treat crew members with the bare minimum respect of not going to some effort to get naked shower pics and spread them to other crewmen.

Just goes to show, in an atmosphere of encouraged machismo, some guys are douche bags. And they should court-martial all of those involved in the spying.