The First Male Has Been Arrested For “Manspreading” In NYC

[Juma]

WTF?

I edited in the post that generated this reply.

And im still perplex. This is s laughing matter?

 

[Rhea]

I don't actually give a shit about men's genitals in buses. dealing with them is their own problem. I don't think bus seats need to be re-designed to accommodate your nut sack. Shit, I thought you were joking. You're serious? You want to re-design bus seats to make space for your genitals?

I am LMAO here.

If you count "bigger" as redesign. But it's not so much what I want but what is required for men to be treated fairly.

You gonna lower all the seats 4 inches so that I am treated fairly?

 

[Rhea]

I edited in the post that generated this reply.

And im still perplex. This is s laughing matter?

I apologize for the confusion. Yes. Yes it is very funny to me that a man is complaining that public transportation is not designed with his testicles in mind. This comes from a woman whose arms are about 5 inches shorter than a typical man's, who has to sit in front of an airbag designed for a man every time she drives. And whose legs fall asleep while traveling because all the public seats are designed to accommodate those men and my legs can't reach the floor. And he doesn't feel there's enough space for his testicles. And just, yeah, that's fucking funny.

 

[Rhea]

Also no, just no, men's asses are NOT typically wider than women's asses. Anyone who has tried on clothes in both departments knows that. Jeez. Talk about manufactured outrage!

Women on average have 2-4 inches more on the hips than men in the over 36yo age groups, and similar sizes in the 18-25 youngsters.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/01/us/sizing-up-america-signs-of-expansion-from-head-to-toe.html

Over all, the new measurements shake up what have long been considered the average outlines of the American body. For years, an average woman was thought to be a size 8, although some circles had bumped that up to size 12 in recent years. But even the women who came in on the small side in the SizeUSA survey look more like what the longtime clothing industry standards would consider a size 14 -- the size at which ''plus size'' clothing begins.

Industry standards set a size 8 at a 35-inch bust, a 27-inch waist, and 37.5-inch hip.

In the survey, white women ages 18 to 25 came in, on average, 38-32-41,
with white women ages 36 to 45 coming in at 41-34-43. (Barbie, long the plastic bane of body image, is said to have measurements that project to about 39-18-33.)
In that same age group, black women measure, on average, 43-37-46,
Hispanic women 42.5-36-44,
and ''other'' women, which researchers said meant mostly Asian, 41-35-43.

Similarly, most men are larger than the traditional 40 regular, long considered the average. A 40 regular, according to standards, means a 40-inch chest, 34-inch waist, and 40-inch hip, with a 15.5-inch collar.

In the survey, white men ages 18 to 25 had, on average, a 41-inch chest, 35-inch waist, 41-inch hips and a 16-inch collar (that is raw neck size -- shirts are generally sized at least a half-inch bigger).
From the ages of 36 to 45,
white men came in at 44-38-42,
black men 43-37-42,
Hispanic men 44-38-42
and ''other'' 42-37-41.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Can we get a confirmation on these arrests? The only sources I am finding are echo chambers (including Huff Po) and they were arrested for outstanding warrants.

 

[dismal]

If you count "bigger" as redesign. But it's not so much what I want but what is required for men to be treated fairly.

You gonna lower all the seats 4 inches so that I am treated fairly?

We'll have specially trained ergonomic engineers design the men-only and women-only seats to come up with an identical average comfort level for each gender.

That's fair, I think.

 

[ronburgundy]

How far apart must the knees be to count as an infraction? Yes, men need to have their knees several inches apart to have enough room to avoid testicle squeezing. But that still puts the outside of the knees only at shoulder width. People have mentioned 2 shoulder widths. One has to really make an effort to get their knees that far apart to point of deliberately trying to be a selfish asshole trying to show how little regard you have for others.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

You gonna lower all the seats 4 inches so that I am treated fairly?

We'll have specially trained ergonomic engineers design the men-only and women-only seats to come up with an identical average comfort level for each gender.

That's fair, I think.

Your wish has been granted: http://www.americanseating.com/transportation/city-service-bus

 

[Horatio Parker]

Can we get a confirmation on these arrests? The only sources I am finding are echo chambers (including Huff Po) and they were arrested for outstanding warrants.

Could be fantasy. From Snopes:

It’s possible that two unnamed men were arrested in New York City for manspreading, but no details about the claim were made available in the original report or any of the many later repetitions of it. The scant information included with it suggested that the men were possibly arrested not for manspreading, but for arrest warrants already active at the time they came to the attention of the NYPD.
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/2015/06/02/manspreading-arrest/#dFv0A5hR7BL1SEU5.99

 

[Metaphor]

And im still perplex. This is s laughing matter?

I apologize for the confusion. Yes. Yes it is very funny to me that a man is complaining that public transportation is not designed with his testicles in mind. This comes from a woman whose arms are about 5 inches shorter than a typical man's, who has to sit in front of an airbag designed for a man every time she drives. And whose legs fall asleep while traveling because all the public seats are designed to accommodate those men and my legs can't reach the floor. And he doesn't feel there's enough space for his testicles. And just, yeah, that's fucking funny.

Hearing short people complain about dimensions is also 'fucking funny'.

If you are short enough that your feet don't even hit the floor when you are seated, your experience on a plane seat would have to be astronomically better than mine. I'm 6'8" and I need to buy two economy seats just to get my knees behind the seat in front of me.

Also, cars, are you serious? Buy a compact car that will cost you half as much in purchase price and running costs and you'll have all the smallness you want.

I own a long wheelbase sedan not because I want a v6 engine and a gigantic back seat or have a family to cart around, but because I literally cannot fit in anything smaller.

 

[credoconsolans]

I apologize for the confusion. Yes. Yes it is very funny to me that a man is complaining that public transportation is not designed with his testicles in mind. This comes from a woman whose arms are about 5 inches shorter than a typical man's, who has to sit in front of an airbag designed for a man every time she drives. And whose legs fall asleep while traveling because all the public seats are designed to accommodate those men and my legs can't reach the floor. And he doesn't feel there's enough space for his testicles. And just, yeah, that's fucking funny.

Hearing short people complain about dimensions is also 'fucking funny'.

If you are short enough that your feet don't even hit the floor when you are seated, your experience on a plane seat would have to be astronomically better than mine. I'm 6'8" and I need to buy two economy seats just to get my knees behind the seat in front of me.

Also, cars, are you serious? Buy a compact car that will cost you half as much in purchase price and running costs and you'll have all the smallness you want.

I own a long wheelbase sedan not because I want a v6 engine and a gigantic back seat or have a family to cart around, but because I literally cannot fit in anything smaller.

I'm with you Rhea. Every single complaint by men about the "one size fits all" seats are complaining about seats designed BY men FOR men.

Women are an afterthought in most ergonomic designs for the most part. Women who are on the short side, still worry whether their seat belts will break their necks in a car crash (the seatbelt crossing their necks rather than their chest region) or if the airbag will kill them.

Perhaps these seats were designed by average men FOR average men, not overgrown men.

 

[beero1000]

Hearing short people complain about dimensions is also 'fucking funny'.

If you are short enough that your feet don't even hit the floor when you are seated, your experience on a plane seat would have to be astronomically better than mine. I'm 6'8" and I need to buy two economy seats just to get my knees behind the seat in front of me.

Also, cars, are you serious? Buy a compact car that will cost you half as much in purchase price and running costs and you'll have all the smallness you want.

I own a long wheelbase sedan not because I want a v6 engine and a gigantic back seat or have a family to cart around, but because I literally cannot fit in anything smaller.

I'm with you Rhea. Every single complaint by men about the "one size fits all" seats are complaining about seats designed BY men FOR men.

Women are an afterthought in most ergonomic designs for the most part. Women who are on the short side, still worry whether their seat belts will break their necks in a car crash (the seatbelt crossing their necks rather than their chest region) or if the airbag will kill them.

Perhaps these seats were designed by average men FOR average men, not overgrown men.

Do you have any evidence for those assertions? I'm pretty sure that engineers (of both sexes) design seats for the majority of users (of both sexes).

 

[Metaphor]

Hearing short people complain about dimensions is also 'fucking funny'.

If you are short enough that your feet don't even hit the floor when you are seated, your experience on a plane seat would have to be astronomically better than mine. I'm 6'8" and I need to buy two economy seats just to get my knees behind the seat in front of me.

Also, cars, are you serious? Buy a compact car that will cost you half as much in purchase price and running costs and you'll have all the smallness you want.

I own a long wheelbase sedan not because I want a v6 engine and a gigantic back seat or have a family to cart around, but because I literally cannot fit in anything smaller.

I'm with you Rhea. Every single complaint by men about the "one size fits all" seats are complaining about seats designed BY men FOR men.

Women are an afterthought in most ergonomic designs for the most part. Women who are on the short side, still worry whether their seat belts will break their necks in a car crash (the seatbelt crossing their necks rather than their chest region) or if the airbag will kill them.

Perhaps these seats were designed by average men FOR average men, not overgrown men.

No, they were designed by engineers to get the maximum number of bodies onto a plane, which generally works much more against men than against women.

The average chair dimension has not changed since the 1950s, yet across the entire globe people have gotten taller and fatter. You can sit on a chair, and have the entire length of your buttock and leg supported, and then have the hide to complain?

You can sleep on a bed and not have your feet hit the footboard or not have them hang over the edge, and you have the hide to complain?

You can walk through corridors and doorways certain you won't be brained by a low hanging fixture or doorjamb, and you have the hide to complain?

You can have all the legroom you could ever want on a plane, and you have the hide to complain?

 

[credoconsolans]

I'm with you Rhea. Every single complaint by men about the "one size fits all" seats are complaining about seats designed BY men FOR men.

Women are an afterthought in most ergonomic designs for the most part. Women who are on the short side, still worry whether their seat belts will break their necks in a car crash (the seatbelt crossing their necks rather than their chest region) or if the airbag will kill them.

Perhaps these seats were designed by average men FOR average men, not overgrown men.

Do you have any evidence for those assertions? I'm pretty sure that engineers (of both sexes) design seats for the majority of users (of both sexes).

I thought that it was common knowledge that men out number women in EVERY type of engineering.

"...Of the estimated 28,000 engineers working in automotive fields who are members of SAE International, only 1,500 or 5% are women. The group, formerly known as the Society of Automotive Engineers, has more than 138,000 members." - from an article about women engineers in Detroit from USA Today. But the stats are repeated at the SAE websites.

And that's as of 2013. When were car/bus/airline seat sizes first established?

 

[bigfield]

Hearing short people complain about dimensions is also 'fucking funny'.

If you are short enough that your feet don't even hit the floor when you are seated, your experience on a plane seat would have to be astronomically better than mine. I'm 6'8" and I need to buy two economy seats just to get my knees behind the seat in front of me.

Also, cars, are you serious? Buy a compact car that will cost you half as much in purchase price and running costs and you'll have all the smallness you want.

I own a long wheelbase sedan not because I want a v6 engine and a gigantic back seat or have a family to cart around, but because I literally cannot fit in anything smaller.

I'm with you Rhea. Every single complaint by men about the "one size fits all" seats are complaining about seats designed BY men FOR men.

Women are an afterthought in most ergonomic designs for the most part. Women who are on the short side, still worry whether their seat belts will break their necks in a car crash (the seatbelt crossing their necks rather than their chest region) or if the airbag will kill them.

Perhaps these seats were designed by average men FOR average men, not overgrown men.

So much oppression.

 

[beero1000]

Do you have any evidence for those assertions? I'm pretty sure that engineers (of both sexes) design seats for the majority of users (of both sexes).

I thought that it was common knowledge that men out number women in EVERY type of engineering.

"...Of the estimated 28,000 engineers working in automotive fields who are members of SAE International, only 1,500 or 5% are women. The group, formerly known as the Society of Automotive Engineers, has more than 138,000 members." - from an article about women engineers in Detroit from USA Today. But the stats are repeated at the SAE websites.

And that's as of 2013. When were car/bus/airline seat sizes first established?

Maybe that supports what you meant to say, but it doesn't support what you actually said...

 

[dismal]

I thought that it was common knowledge that men out number women in EVERY type of engineering.

The issue here is not whether men outnumber women in engineering but whether there should be gender fairness in public accommodations.

Are you against fairness?

 

[credoconsolans]

I'm with you Rhea. Every single complaint by men about the "one size fits all" seats are complaining about seats designed BY men FOR men.

Women are an afterthought in most ergonomic designs for the most part. Women who are on the short side, still worry whether their seat belts will break their necks in a car crash (the seatbelt crossing their necks rather than their chest region) or if the airbag will kill them.

Perhaps these seats were designed by average men FOR average men, not overgrown men.

No, they were designed by engineers to get the maximum number of bodies onto a plane, which generally works much more against men than against women.

The average chair dimension has not changed since the 1950s, yet across the entire globe people have gotten taller and fatter. You can sit on a chair, and have the entire length of your buttock and leg supported, and then have the hide to complain?

Getting killed by a car's safety features because they weren't designed for shorter people - yeah, I'm going to complain. Call me crazy.

As for other seating - as was pointed out -your feet dangle, so you have no stability in the seat should the car seat/airline seat/office seat shift and the dangle pulls your bottom forward so your lower back starts to ache. If you move forward to have your feet on the floor, then the chair seat cuts into the back of your thighs which can lead to varicose veins, cut-off circulation and nerve injury.

You can sleep on a bed and not have your feet hit the footboard or not have them hang over the edge, and you have the hide to complain?

And you don't have to sit on telephone books - for years - to use your computer keyboard at your office effectively.

You don't have to use a pillow - for years - to push you forward in your SUV because the seat is already pulled forward as far as it will go and you still can't reach the pedals safely.

You can walk through corridors and doorways certain you won't be brained by a low hanging fixture or doorjamb, and you have the hide to complain?

Yet you don't have to jump to see a sign over people's heads.

You don't have to climb or find a ladder or a taller person to reach things on the top shelf.

You don't have to eat from a plate set on a table that hits you chest high because the table is higher off the ground than your height can reach.

You can have all the legroom you could ever want on a plane, and you have the hide to complain?

And bigger people can encroach on smaller people's space and they be too intimidated to complain.

- - - Updated - - -

I thought that it was common knowledge that men out number women in EVERY type of engineering.

The issue here is not whether men outnumber women in engineering but whether there should be gender fairness in public accommodations.

Are you against fairness?

No, the issue was who was designing the seats.

I just proved to the men complaining that they can blame the 95% of male engineers for designing the seat size they don't like.

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I thought that it was common knowledge that men out number women in EVERY type of engineering.

"...Of the estimated 28,000 engineers working in automotive fields who are members of SAE International, only 1,500 or 5% are women. The group, formerly known as the Society of Automotive Engineers, has more than 138,000 members." - from an article about women engineers in Detroit from USA Today. But the stats are repeated at the SAE websites.

And that's as of 2013. When were car/bus/airline seat sizes first established?

Maybe that supports what you meant to say, but it doesn't support what you actually said...

Yes it does. You said men and women equally design the seats. According to the information, that's highly unlikely since there are very few women in automotive design to begin with.

 

[beero1000]

I thought that it was common knowledge that men out number women in EVERY type of engineering.

"...Of the estimated 28,000 engineers working in automotive fields who are members of SAE International, only 1,500 or 5% are women. The group, formerly known as the Society of Automotive Engineers, has more than 138,000 members." - from an article about women engineers in Detroit from USA Today. But the stats are repeated at the SAE websites.

And that's as of 2013. When were car/bus/airline seat sizes first established?

Maybe that supports what you meant to say, but it doesn't support what you actually said...

Yes it does. You said men and women equally design the seats. According to the information, that's highly unlikely since there are very few women in automotive design to begin with.

The posts are all still there. I suggest you reread them.

 

[dismal]

But the government is the one that says how the seats must be designed so the people responsible for how the seats are designed is us.

If we want gender fairness in seat design we can make it happen.