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Gaza "beach" -- what really happened

Israel has spoken.

Thou mayest not use that beach.

Sure, allegedly it is part of YOUR land.

But we are betting you will tire of living in rubble one day and it will be OUR land. See ya at the next invasion. We'll try to tell you all the places you aren't allowed to go.
 
http://ukmediawatch.org/2015/06/12/...vocate-general-report-on-gaza-beach-incident/


That "beach" was a Hamas military compound. When you're looking at a place where normally only combatants are allowed it's not exactly surprising that you think the people there are combatants.

If it is the case that there were non-combatants there, then it is not the case that only combatants were allowed there, now is it?

Normally only combatants were allowed there. Hamas likes human shield tactics in times of war, this very well might be such a case but we will almost certainly never know.
 
If it is the case that there were non-combatants there, then it is not the case that only combatants were allowed there, now is it?

Normally only combatants were allowed there. Hamas likes human shield tactics in times of war, this very well might be such a case but we will almost certainly never know.

What kind of a person defends the killing of children?
 
The title of this thread should be changed to Gaza "beach" -- what really happened according to Israel’s military advocate general’s office.

ETA: Not everyone is buying what the Advocate General is selling:

The Globe and Mail said:
In the Israeli investigation, testimonies were said to have been collected from “a large number of IDF soldiers and officers who were involved in the planning and execution of the attack.”

Its conclusion ultimately rested on this finding of fact: that the place in which the boys were killed had “long been known as a compound belonging to Hamas’s Naval Police and Naval Force (including naval commandos), and which was utilized exclusively by militants,” wrote Lt. Col. Lerner.

It was for this reason, the Advocate General ruled, that the Israeli military could reasonably assume that any people in the compound were militants. It was a matter of mistaken identity – a “tragic accident” – he said.

However, the compound in question, which investigators described as spanning “the length of the breakwater of the Gaza City seashore,” was used more by fisherman than by anyone else.

As satellite images show, numerous boats are tied up along the perimeter of the compound. They are fishing boats, not Hamas naval vessels. That is the case today, and it was the case last July 16 when the attack in question took place.

Any people in this area would most likely be fishermen, or children, not militants.

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Normally only combatants were allowed there. Hamas likes human shield tactics in times of war, this very well might be such a case but we will almost certainly never know.

What kind of a person defends the killing of children?

It's not a defense of killing children, it's pointing out that it was Hamas who killed them.

Certainly an argument could be made that the Israeli report is full of shit, it's still an unfair emotional appeal to say that Loren is defending killing children.
 
What kind of a person defends the killing of children?

It's not a defense of killing children, it's pointing out that it was Hamas who killed them.

Certainly an argument could be made that the Israeli report is full of shit, it's still an unfair emotional appeal to say that Loren is defending killing children.

Yet he is.
 
Normally only combatants were allowed there. Hamas likes human shield tactics in times of war, this very well might be such a case but we will almost certainly never know.

What kind of a person defends the killing of children?

Many of the leftists on here. You don't seem to care one bit when Hamas puts kids where they'll die.
 
Many of the leftists on here. You don't seem to care one bit when Hamas puts kids where they'll die.

Oh, you mean like capturing families and putting them where rockets are launched or going into homes and setting up rockets to launch. War is hell, and worse when some who play aren't civilized enough to stand and fight.
 
What kind of a person defends the killing of children?

It's not a defense of killing children, it's pointing out that it was Hamas who killed them.

Certainly an argument could be made that the Israeli report is full of shit, it's still an unfair emotional appeal to say that Loren is defending killing children.

Loren is literally defending the killing of children, he tends to do that when brown children die.

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What kind of a person defends the killing of children?

Many of the leftists on here. You don't seem to care one bit when Hamas puts kids where they'll die.

I´m not a leftist, being on the right does not mean that I have to excuse the killing of children. Right does not mean I have to support the killing of children.
 
What kind of a person defends the killing of children?

Many of the leftists on here. You don't seem to care one bit when Hamas puts kids where they'll die.

The IDF has no credibility at all. They cannot "clear" the murders of these four boys...only in the mind of someone like you who can find a justification for the killing of any and all Palestinians. You are the worst, Loren. Actually the kids can go NOWHERE THAT ISN'T SUBJECT TO IDF ATTACK. Hamas cannot put them anywhere safe. Palestinians are not allowed to LEAVE GAZA. That goes for kids too.
 
What kind of a person defends the killing of children?

Many of the leftists on here. You don't seem to care one bit when Hamas puts kids where they'll die.

They will only die if Israel decides to kill them.

Really there are few places in Gaza that are safe when Israel is on the warpath. It uses it's powerful weapons in a way that is sure to kill many innocents. Even if it has no intention it still knows it will kill many innocents.

Israel just doesn't care much if it kills a few innocents. Palestinian life is of little value. All Israel wants is the appearance of caring, but in action, it cares very little.
 
Many of the leftists on here. You don't seem to care one bit when Hamas puts kids where they'll die.

The IDF has no credibility at all. They cannot "clear" the murders of these four boys...only in the mind of someone like you who can find a justification for the killing of any and all Palestinians. You are the worst, Loren. Actually the kids can go NOWHERE THAT ISN'T SUBJECT TO IDF ATTACK. Hamas cannot put them anywhere safe. Palestinians are not allowed to LEAVE GAZA. That goes for kids too.

The point is that people in a military base at war are presumed to be military. The cameras aren't good enough to tell the difference. The death of a hostage or human shield is always the fault of the side that put them there, whoever actually killed them.
 
Many of the leftists on here. You don't seem to care one bit when Hamas puts kids where they'll die.

They will only die if Israel decides to kill them.

Really there are few places in Gaza that are safe when Israel is on the warpath. It uses it's powerful weapons in a way that is sure to kill many innocents. Even if it has no intention it still knows it will kill many innocents.

Israel just doesn't care much if it kills a few innocents. Palestinian life is of little value. All Israel wants is the appearance of caring, but in action, it cares very little.

Stay away from Hamas, you're safe. Hamas might force you to stay at ground zero, though.
 
The point is that people in a military base at war are presumed to be military. The cameras aren't good enough to tell the difference. The death of a hostage or human shield is always the fault of the side that put them there, whoever actually killed them.
That is certainly not causally true nor logically true nor morally true.
 
The IDF has no credibility at all. They cannot "clear" the murders of these four boys...only in the mind of someone like you who can find a justification for the killing of any and all Palestinians. You are the worst, Loren. Actually the kids can go NOWHERE THAT ISN'T SUBJECT TO IDF ATTACK. Hamas cannot put them anywhere safe. Palestinians are not allowed to LEAVE GAZA. That goes for kids too.

The point is that people in a military base at war are presumed to be military. The cameras aren't good enough to tell the difference. The death of a hostage or human shield is always the fault of the side that put them there, whoever actually killed them.

The point is that people in an area commonly used by civilians should be presumed to be civilians no matter what the IDF decides to call the place after it kills them. People who've actually been to Gaza are reporting that fishermen and their families used that area to tie up their boats and unload their catches. Israel doesn't get to all it an exclusive military zone unless it can produce solid evidence it was used exclusively by militants.

You know, for all your talk about how careful Israel is to minimize civilian casualties, it sure does a shitty job minimizing civilian casualties.
 
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They will only die if Israel decides to kill them.

Really there are few places in Gaza that are safe when Israel is on the warpath. It uses it's powerful weapons in a way that is sure to kill many innocents. Even if it has no intention it still knows it will kill many innocents.

Israel just doesn't care much if it kills a few innocents. Palestinian life is of little value. All Israel wants is the appearance of caring, but in action, it cares very little.

Stay away from Hamas, you're safe. Hamas might force you to stay at ground zero, though.

Israel has no god given right to kill anyone who gets too close to alleged Hamas terrorists.

It has the choice to not kill them. Israel is not under any existential threat. And it could have had peace a long time ago, but it has consistently chosen expansion policies and keeping land gained by theft over peace.
 
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