Obama has done it now - Nine Shot dead in church

[ideologyhunter]

What is so discouraging to me is that there is no level of mass gun violence that shakes the hard righties from their anti-regulation mantra. Other civilized societies must think we're nuts. When the first graders were massacred at Sandy Hook, the accepted wisdom at Fox "News" was, guess what, we need more guns out there. If memory serves, that was Mike Huckabee's point in discussing the event. Try to imagine a mass killing that would budge these people. There just isn't any. BTW, what is the 'logical' objection to citizens buying rocket launchers, bazookas, and submachine guns? Aren't these part of our 2nd Amendment heritage? Why are enthusiasts being denied their heritage?

 

[Derec]

What is so discouraging to me is that there is no level of mass gun violence that shakes the hard righties from their anti-regulation mantra. Other civilized societies must think we're nuts. When the first graders were massacred at Sandy Hook, the accepted wisdom at Fox "News" was, guess what, we need more guns out there. If memory serves, that was Mike Huckabee's point in discussing the event. Try to imagine a mass killing that would budge these people. There just isn't any. BTW, what is the 'logical' objection to citizens buying rocket launchers, bazookas, and submachine guns? Aren't these part of our 2nd Amendment heritage? Why are enthusiasts being denied their heritage?

The "arms" covered by 2nd amendment were late 18th century military hardware. There are actually some people who argue that 2nd amendment should thus cover modern military hardware as well,as crazy as that is.

 

[Derec]

Whenever I read about about a mass killing, I tend to focus on the effect on the survivors and the local community.

I was thinking about the pastor's two young daughters.

 

[Derec]

Before too many apologetics are posted
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Apologetics for what? All these attacks are "one offs" in a way, and all should be condemned. I do not see how this attack has anything to do with any "systemic racism", whatever that is.

 

[Derec]

So you don't think the killing churns up racial animosity

Where did I say it didn't?

but a talk show host does?

They are not mutually exclusive.

And you still didn't answer the question.

I did.

 

[Derec]

Probably because of all the black people oppressing him and raping all the white women so that they don't want to have sex with him.

Why do you people who easily attract women always have to ridicule, make fun and denigrate those of us who can't? Especially since it's unknown how successful this guy was in that department and what role it might have played in his crime if he wasn't.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Probably because of all the black people oppressing him and raping all the white women so that they don't want to have sex with him.

Why do you people who easily attract women always have to ridicule, make fun and denigrate those of us who can't? Especially since it's unknown how successful this guy was in that department and what role it might have played in his crime if he wasn't.

Because it isn't that hard to attract women, and far easier to scare them off with a negative attitude.

Not knowing your situation here is a short list of things you can do right now:

1) Dress nice and clean yourself up. Learn the actual rules of dressing which means fit, color and style (NOT fashion): http://www.styleforum.net/f/5/classic-menswear <-- It's men who love to talk about clothes, but they can teach you a lot about the rules of looking good. You are getting older right? Get a good distinguished look.

2) Be interesting. Do interesting things. I'm not saying go out and BASE jump off the freedom tower, but make sure you are mixing it up and trying and learning new things.

3) Be passionate about something. Don't get scattered. Go out and do what you love to do with no regrets.

4) Be decisive. Don't waffle. Ask a woman out and have a plan in mind (you can have a back-up). Don't get caught up in the "what do you want to do" mode.

5) Do not fear rejection and if you are rejected, don't take it personally. There are a million reasons that a woman will say no and they have nothing to do with you.

You might also benefit from books on charisma and seduction. Here are two I like:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Charisma-Myth-Personal-Magnetism-ebook/dp/B005GSZZ24/ref=dp_kinw_strp_1
http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Seduction-Robert-Greene/dp/0142001198

Now back to the OP.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Before too many apologetics are posted
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Apologetics for what? All these attacks are "one offs" in a way, and all should be condemned. I do not see how this attack has anything to do with any "systemic racism", whatever that is.

Assholes like Glen Beck have been stoking the flames of racism for years now. No one is out there trying to reestablish poll taxes, but ever since Obama started his run, his race and even the religion he isn't have been fodder for the far right-wing, which isn't a negligible group of people. They have normalized the shit.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What is so discouraging to me is that there is no level of mass gun violence that shakes the hard righties from their anti-regulation mantra. Other civilized societies must think we're nuts. When the first graders were massacred at Sandy Hook, the accepted wisdom at Fox "News" was, guess what, we need more guns out there. If memory serves, that was Mike Huckabee's point in discussing the event. Try to imagine a mass killing that would budge these people. There just isn't any. BTW, what is the 'logical' objection to citizens buying rocket launchers, bazookas, and submachine guns? Aren't these part of our 2nd Amendment heritage? Why are enthusiasts being denied their heritage?

Sandy Hook was the high water mark, the 1000 year event. After that I realized just how obsessed these people are with weapons. I don't think this is the place for that conversation though. This is a story of a racist asshole who came in uninvited, enjoyed the hospitality of a group of strangers, with the intent to kill them.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Where did I say it didn't?

but a talk show host does?

They are not mutually exclusive.

And you still didn't answer the question.

I did.

No, ya didn't.

try again.

Derec, pray tell what is the proper reaction to 9 people shot dead in a church on a Wednesday night in Charleston?

Give me a play by play.

 

[jladam]

Just as an FYI, this was a mass murder that involved a State Senator. This could have actually been an act of terrorism if the Democrat was the target.

Yeah, that was my first thought when I heard about this--the mass shooting is probably incidental to the assassination. That also suggests that hate isn't the reason behind it.

Yes, because all acts of terrorism, assassination, and mass murder are done out of love.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

it's hard to divorce gun violence from racism



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Before too many apologetics are posted
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Apologetics for what? All these attacks are "one offs" in a way, and all should be condemned. I do not see how this attack has anything to do with any "systemic racism", whatever that is.

That statement merely says that you are blind.

 

[maxparrish]

President Obama Divides Nation, Says Charleston Shooting Involved Gun
Read more at http://wonkette.com/588766/presiden...ton-shooting-involved-gun#MBYwJGcybsKGbKRc.99

What an asshole.

How dare he politicize this tragedy by using as a platform to try and rally support against the thing that caused this tragedy.

Perhaps "how dare he" wrongly use it as a platform against "a thing", badly mangling the facts about the nature of the tragedy and the regulatory irrelevancy to preventing the use of "the thing" in this rampage killing..

Contrary to Obama's imprinted memes, 'this type of mass violence' does happen in other advanced countries, and also contrary to his claims, it is unlikely to be within our power to do something about it. Wiki, freely available to Obama and his advisors, offer some quick learning for Presidents in denial (some of the rampage killers of the last two decades or so...many of have killed far more):

Richard Dum, France
Kovar Zdenek, Czech Republic
Bird, Derrik, UK
Borel, Eric France
Flink, Mattias Sweden
Amrani, Nordine Belgium
van der Vlis, Tristin Netherlands
Steinhauser, Robert Germany
Hamilton, Thomas Watt UK
Kretschmer, Tim Germany

And you wouldn't want to forget Charlie Hebdo or Norway's Anders Breivik who killed 75 in 2011 out of ethnic hate, would you?

Perhaps our President should point out what recent gun laws that he has supported would have prevented this tragedy? None, I suspect.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Pest in Peace

 

[NobleSavage]

I get the feeling that radical idiots on both sides of the political spectrum would like a race riot.

That's true.

But.

Are the radical elements spoiling for race war equally prominent on the two sides?

I know which radical idiots seem to be most common commenting on news articles and "sharing" stories of a certain sort on social media.

Radicals on one side claims that Obama is already carrying out a race war and that white people need to fight back.

There are radicals on the left spoiling for a race war but they seem a lot more marginal among the left than the AM radio set on the right.

According to some guys on the surfing forum where I hang out Obama used mind altering drugs and microwaves to make this white guy shoot up the church so Obama can forward his radical racial and gun control agendas.

Infowars/Prison Planet are already running with the "false flag" claim, claiming that the government concocted this event in order to inflame racial tensions further and smear conservatives.

I guess, I feel that when you start debating about which side is worse it's pointless. I've disengaged from all the normal media (MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc.) and Facebook, Twitter etc. because it has become hyper sensational. Even this forum is more about scoring points that discussing things. There isn't much media out there that is rational, deliberative, and well measured because there is no money in it. If someone is listening to Infowars I feel sorry for them. Were they born with poor genetics that makes them stupid? Have they had so little opportunity and life experiences where that shit makes sense to them?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah, that was my first thought when I heard about this--the mass shooting is probably incidental to the assassination. That also suggests that hate isn't the reason behind it.

But it has since come out that he was ranting against blacks. So likely just a mere hate crime where a white guy somehow thinks murdering 9 people will stop the blacks from all that raping and shit.

Or the real issue was the assassination of a black state senator. I find it very hard to believe he hit a senator without that being his primary target.

 

[Ford]

But it has since come out that he was ranting against blacks. So likely just a mere hate crime where a white guy somehow thinks murdering 9 people will stop the blacks from all that raping and shit.

Or the real issue was the assassination of a black state senator. I find it very hard to believe he hit a senator without that being his primary target.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the black state senator also the black Reverend? If so, that makes him a prominent target whether the racist asshole shooter knows he's an elected official or not.

 

[Toni]

"You rape our women and you're taking over our country. And you have to go," the shooter told the group, according to the survivor's account to Johnson.

Props to all blacks in America for having taken it over. Please be careful with it.

Nothing worse than being murdered over a lie.

And major props to the cops for being able to take this guy down without pumping him full of bullets.

Helped that he's white, don't you think?

Personally, I cannot imagine a black man shooting up a church full of white people and walking out of there or even being carried out while still breathing.

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What an asshole.

How dare he politicize this tragedy by using as a platform to try and rally support against the thing that caused this tragedy.

Perhaps "how dare he" wrongly use it as a platform against "a thing", badly mangling the facts about the nature of the tragedy and the regulatory irrelevancy to preventing the use of "the thing" in this rampage killing..

Contrary to Obama's imprinted memes, 'this type of mass violence' does happen in other advanced countries, and also contrary to his claims, it is unlikely to be within our power to do something about it. Wiki, freely available to Obama and his advisors, offer some quick learning for Presidents in denial (some of the rampage killers of the last two decades or so...many of have killed far more):

Richard Dum, France
Kovar Zdenek, Czech Republic
Bird, Derrik, UK
Borel, Eric France
Flink, Mattias Sweden
Amrani, Nordine Belgium
van der Vlis, Tristin Netherlands
Steinhauser, Robert Germany
Hamilton, Thomas Watt UK
Kretschmer, Tim Germany

And you wouldn't want to forget Charlie Hebdo or Norway's Anders Breivik who killed 75 in 2011 out of ethnic hate, would you?

Perhaps our President should point out what recent gun laws that he has supported would have prevented this tragedy? None, I suspect.

Come on now: why don't you print the statistics about gun violence in Europe vs USA?

 

[Derec]

Pest in Peace

Now that wasn't very nice ...

 

[fast]

The purpose of a hate crime is to instill terror.

This doesn't sound quite right to me. What grasped my attention beyond the assumption that every such crime has the aim to instill terror is that, if there is a purpose, that instilling terror is it. What I'm getting at is that there seems to be room for hate based crimes to have no such motivation. There is also the possible conflation of effect with intent that is troublesome. If a serial sniper targets blacks only (because he hates blacks), that may very well instill fear, but if (for instance) there is intent to conceal the crimes, it seems unlikely the hate crime has the purpose of instilling fear--even if an unsuccessful concealment leads to the spread of community-wide fear.

It could very well be that I'm making a big mistake. I could be underestimating the scope of the term's meaning. There is a danger of misinterpreting multi-worded terms. The mistake often comes from the mistaken assumption that the meaning of such terms are derived by combining the meaning of the constituent words. Often times, the meaning of multi-worded terms evolve beyond their original use, and that's why it's an assumption and sometimes a mistake. Also, it could be a technical term. I don't know enough about it to make a comfortable judgement.