Illegal Immigration - Trump's Fearless Truth to PC Power

[maxparrish]

Donald Trump is crass, simplistic, bombastic, over-generalizing, and always gushing with various populist prejudices - many of them nonsensical. But at the core of his recent rants he also happens to have a valid point on immigration. And it is his honesty and economic security that allows him to be plain spoken on immigration - in spite of the usual social media bullying and the ritual excoriation by the corporate-kulture thought police.

Many harbor similar thoughts, but have become too fearful of social-economic punishment (if not destruction) should they express them. Not so for King Donald.

And he is, at its core, correct. Quite aside from the unusual amount of criminality among those of Mexican and Central American origin, including illegals, he was correct: even by Mexico's low standards, they don't send their best.

Of all immigrants to the US, the Mexican's have the lowest level of education, made the least progress, and have the highest level of means tested welfare. 60 percent have failed to graduate from high school; after they arrive 35 percent of them and their US born children live in poverty and 68 percent are either near or in poverty. 57 percent require means-tested government programs to subsidize their "yearning to be free" (or was that a yearning for the free?).

And while they do make progress, even after two decades on almost every indicator they are far behind the native born population, as well as immigrants from every other country. (And after here twenty years, their welfare rate INCREASES).

For all its crassness, Trump’s rant on immigration is closer to reality than the gauzy clichés of the immigration romantics unwilling to acknowledge that there might be an issue welcoming large numbers of high school dropouts into a 21st-century economy. If we don’t want to add to the ranks of the poor, the uninsured and the welfare dependent, we should have fewer low-skilled immigrants — assuming saying that is not yet officially considered a hate crime.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...d-trump-has-a-point-119662.html#ixzz3fMMtUid6

This time the hysterics are dealing with someone of means, not a lone family baker, free-lance photographer or an executive at little Mozilla. Trump can stand against the winds that blow, and the more they pile on, the more popular he gets.

Interesting.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Do you know what PC means?

 

[barbos]

Plus he was right when he ate pizza with a fork (they use forks in Italy)

 

[Ford]

]Donald Trump is crass, simplistic, bombastic, over-gen[/USER]eralizing, and always gushing with various populist prejudices - many of them nonsensical. But at the core of his recent rants he also happens to have a valid point on immigration.

That brown people, Mexicans in particular, are inferior people. It is not at all surprising you'd back him up on this one.

 

[laughing dog]

Why would anyone expect that it is the best people who emigrate from a country?

 

[bilby]

Donald Trump is crass, simplistic, bombastic, over-generalizing, and always gushing with various populist prejudices - many of them nonsensical. But at the core of his recent rants he also happens to have a valid point on immigration. And it is his honesty and economic security that allows him to be plain spoken on immigration - in spite of the usual social media bullying and the ritual excoriation by the corporate-kulture thought police.

Many harbor similar thoughts, but have become too fearful of social-economic punishment (if not destruction) should they express them. Not so for King Donald.

And he is, at its core, correct. Quite aside from the unusual amount of criminality among those of Mexican and Central American origin, including illegals, he was correct: even by Mexico's low standards, they don't send their best.

"They" don't "send" anyone.

Individual Mexicans make the decision to try to lawfully move to the US; The US Government determines whether or not to allow them to do so, on a case by case basis.

Completely separate from this legal migration, there are those Mexicans who chose to travel to the US unlawfully. Again, this is an individual decision; Mexico doesn't "send" them; they choose to come - despite the risks and expense involved.

I understand that people who show themselves to be resourceful, highly motivated, and unwilling to accept impositions on their freedom are unwelcome in the USA, where such traits are clearly frowned upon.

Of all immigrants to the US, the Mexican's have the lowest level of education,

I bet many of them don't even know how to use an apostrophe correctly.

made the least progress, and have the highest level of means tested welfare. 60 percent have failed to graduate from high school; after they arrive 35 percent of them and their US born children live in poverty and 68 percent are either near or in poverty. 57 percent require means-tested government programs to subsidize their "yearning to be free" (or was that a yearning for the free?).

And while they do make progress, even after two decades on almost every indicator they are far behind the native born population, as well as immigrants from every other country. (And after here twenty years, their welfare rate INCREASES).

So, when compared with a population that includes the most privileged people on the planet, they don't perform as well? And they are outperformed by immigrants to the US from such third-world shit-holes as Canada or the United Kingdom (where the majority are native English speakers)? What a huge surprise. I bet that's because of their brown skin and genetic laziness

For all its crassness, Trump’s rant on immigration is closer to reality than the gauzy clichés of the immigration romantics unwilling to acknowledge that there might be an issue welcoming large numbers of high school dropouts into a 21st-century economy. If we don’t want to add to the ranks of the poor, the uninsured and the welfare dependent, we should have fewer low-skilled immigrants — assuming saying that is not yet officially considered a hate crime.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...d-trump-has-a-point-119662.html#ixzz3fMMtUid6

This time the hysterics are dealing with someone of means, not a lone family baker, free-lance photographer or an executive at little Mozilla. Trump can stand against the winds that blow, and the more they pile on, the more popular he gets.

Interesting.

Donald Trump is a moron. History is replete with popular morons, and with disasters brought upon those who follow the popular morons who manage to achieve power.

This OP brings to mind the question Obi-Wan Kenobi asked in A New Hope - "Who's the more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

 

[Ford]

"They" don't "send" anyone.

This needs to be repeated. Endlessly.


Folks like Trump - perhaps not him personally, but people like him - raise up a giant flashing neon sign on this side of the border which says "come north for jobs!"


The message which crosses the border much faster than any coyote with a truck is clear. We'll pay you to come here and work. Laws? We don't give a fuck. If you've got a fake ID or a stolen social security number you can get a job.


The people sending this message are the "job creators" we're told we must worship.

 

[Earl IV]

I can't help but wonder who would clean all the rooms in his hotels/casinos if we sent all the undocumented workers home.

 

[jonatha]

I can't help but wonder who would clean all the rooms in his hotels/casinos if we sent all the undocumented workers home.

Clean them?

What about build them?

 

[faded_Glory]

"They" don't "send" anyone.

Individual Mexicans make the decision to try to lawfully move to the US; The US Government determines whether or not to allow them to do so, on a case by case basis.

Completely separate from this legal migration, there are those Mexicans who chose to travel to the US unlawfully. Again, this is an individual decision; Mexico doesn't "send" them; they choose to come - despite the risks and expense involved.

I understand that people who show themselves to be resourceful, highly motivated, and unwilling to accept impositions on their freedom are unwelcome in the USA, where such traits are clearly frowned upon.

I bet many of them don't even know how to use an apostrophe correctly.

The ones that are coming are the Mexicans. The ones that stay home are the Mexican'ts.

(with thanks to Once upon a time in Mexico)

 

[KeepTalking]

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

I don't see anything in that famous inscription about only accepting the best and brightest from other lands. The sentiment seems to be quite the opposite.

Trump can stand against the winds that blow...

Too bad his hair can't.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Trump would be the greatest President of all time, including future Presidents.

 

[scombrid]

even by Mexico's low standards, they don't send their best.

"They" don't send anyone.

The immigrants come here on their own; running away from a shitty situation.

Rural Volusia and Putnam counties here in FL have huge populations of illegals. They seems to be doing well considering their circumstances and the crime situation was better than in the all white trailer park hells over in Ocala National Forest.

 

[Keith&Co.]

"They" don't "send" anyone.

I imagine it's something like our military recruiting used to be.

The ne'er do well stood in front of a judge who would condemn the youth to the Marine Corps, partly to 'improve' him, partly to get him the hell out of the jurisdiction, mostly to punish him.

I imagine a Mexican judge telling the misspending youth "You don't deserve to live in Mexico, I sentence you to sneaking into America and finding work in Arizona. And don't let me hear you're cleaning dishes in New York, either, or i'll sentence you to living illegally in Texas!"

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Donald Trump is crass, simplistic, bombastic, over-generalizing, and always gushing with various populist prejudices - many of them nonsensical. But at the core of his recent rants he also happens to have a valid point on immigration. And it is his honesty and economic security that allows him to be plain spoken on immigration - in spite of the usual social media bullying and the ritual excoriation by the corporate-kulture thought police.

You are correct. He is an expert as he knows his contractors hire illegal immigrants and hide behind the I-9 scam that protects "job creators" from ever being prosecuted for going with "brown labor".

Many harbor similar thoughts, but have become too fearful of social-economic punishment (if not destruction) should they express them. Not so for King Donald.

Really? Because the Republicans have been quite Racey McRacist out in the open on this one.

For all its crassness, Trump’s rant on immigration is closer to reality than the gauzy clichés of the immigration romantics unwilling to acknowledge that there might be an issue welcoming large numbers of high school dropouts into a 21st-century economy. If we don’t want to add to the ranks of the poor, the uninsured and the welfare dependent, we should have fewer low-skilled immigrants — assuming saying that is not yet officially considered a hate crime.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...d-trump-has-a-point-119662.html#ixzz3fMMtUid6

Can't figure out who is welcoming them...
Somebody who gives them employment...
Who could that someone be?

Trump said Wednesday that he "can't guarantee" that all of the workers he employs have legal status in the United States, and warned that if he were to discover any illegal immigrants working for him, "We would get rid of them immediately."

A recent Washington Post report that said there are illegal immigrants working at the Old Post Office Pavilion construction site in Washington, which Trump is converting into a luxury hotel.

 

[untermensche]

Nobody doubts idiots like Trump have support.

Let us not forget many people supported GW Bush.

But Trump's support is narrow and confined to the far right.

He can win a Republican nomination but he can't win a general election.

 

[laughing dog]

A recent Washington Post report that said there are illegal immigrants working at the Old Post Office Pavilion construction site in Washington, which Trump is converting into a luxury hotel.[/I]

Yah, but those are some of the "good ones" that he assumes are among the hordes of incoming rapists and murders flooding into the USA.

 

[untermensche]

Illegal immigration does far less harm than the right-wing economic policies endorsed by Donny.

But poverty and crime do go hand in hand.

When economic and political policies create one the other becomes a problem.

 

[maxparrish]

"They" don't "send" anyone.

Individual Mexicans make the decision to try to lawfully move to the US; The US Government determines whether or not to allow them to do so, on a case by case basis.

Completely separate from this legal migration, there are those Mexicans who chose to travel to the US unlawfully. Again, this is an individual decision; Mexico doesn't "send" them; they choose to come - despite the risks and expense involved.

If the intentionality of Mexico were the core point, you might have more than a micro-gripe. However, such pedantic hair-pulling over a turn of phrase is a red herring. Be it "sends", "facilitates", "encourages", "promotes" or simply "allows", the nation of Mexico exports poverty, criminals, and the poorly educated.

I understand that people who show themselves to be resourceful, highly motivated, and unwilling to accept impositions on their freedom are unwelcome in the USA, where such traits are clearly frowned upon.

To the contrary, the USA unwisely accepted the "resourceful, highly motivated, and unwilling to accept impositions" of the Sicilian Mafia, all rooted in a poor peasant society - not unlike Mexico.

... (they) have the highest level of means tested welfare. 60 percent have failed to graduate from high school; after they arrive 35 percent of them and their US born children live in poverty and 68 percent are either near or in poverty. 57 percent require means-tested government programs to subsidize their "yearning to be free" (or was that a yearning for the free?).

And while they do make progress, even after two decades on almost every indicator they are far behind the native born population, as well as immigrants from every other country. (And after here twenty years, their welfare rate INCREASES).

So, when compared with a population that includes the most privileged people on the planet, they don't perform as well? And they are outperformed by immigrants to the US from such third-world shit-holes as Canada or the United Kingdom (where the majority are native English speakers)? What a huge surprise. I bet that's because of their brown skin and genetic laziness

"So when compared" to not just Canadians and the British Kingdom, but also compared to South Koreans, Chinese, Filipinos, Russians, Indians, and Arabs. Unfortunately, not a huge surprise.

Donald Trump is a moron. History is replete with popular morons, and with disasters brought upon those who follow the popular morons who manage to achieve power.

This OP brings to mind the question Obi-Wan Kenobi asked in A New Hope - "Who's the more foolish: the fool, or the fool who follows him?"

Or the fool who focuses on the fool's antics, rather than the truth of his message?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

If the intentionality of Mexico were the core point, you might have more than a micro-gripe. However, such pedantic hair-pulling over a turn of phrase is a red herring. Be it "sends", "facilitates", "encourages", "promotes" or simply "allows" the nation of Mexico exports poverty, criminals, and the poorly educated.

Could you link to the specific program of the Mexican Government that encourages emigration?

Or are you leaning on the word "allows" and proposing that Mexico becomes the North Korea of the western hemisphere?