Illegal Immigration - Trump's Fearless Truth to PC Power

[Loren Pechtel]

The Bureau of Immigration could keep copies of all work permits/IDs of those permitted to work on an online data base. The Employer will then access this with the ID Number as a reference. No record no employment. The records would be accessible to immigration control when checking passports on entry.

They already do. The system is called eVerify.

http://www.uscis.gov/e-verify

As I said, this route just leads to identity theft. eVerify can't tell a stolen identity from a real one.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

They already do. The system is called eVerify.

http://www.uscis.gov/e-verify

As I said, this route just leads to identity theft. eVerify can't tell a stolen identity from a real one.

The people who USE it can. I wasn't aware eVerify was that prolific (I had assumed it was a state-level program; shows what I know) but I had at least two coworkers find out that someone was using their names and social security numbers under different addresses when they had to verify their residency and identities fore a firearm certification. Our office reported the thefts to the FBI.

 

[Turambar]

And while they do make progress, even after two decades on almost every indicator they are far behind the native born population, as well as immigrants from every other country. (And after here twenty years, their welfare rate INCREASES).

"So when compared" to not just Canadians and the British Kingdom, but also compared to South Koreans, Chinese, Filipinos, Russians, Indians, and Arabs. Unfortunately, not a huge surprise.

There is a very simple explanation for this:
All the nationalities that you mentioned above need, by force, to come to the USA by air travel. That means, you will:
1. Need to apply for a visa at a US embassy before any airline will even sell you a ticket
2. Show the visa at the point of entry to an immigration official, in this case, at an international airport.

Now, maxparrish, I will give you the benefit of the doubt so instead of assuming you are a bigot I will asume you say all these outrageous claims about Mexican immigrants out of ignorance and perhaps a few purely anecdotal bad experiences with Mexicans (such as getting diarrhoea for eating tacos)

First of all, getting a US entry visa is not that easy. You need to demonstrate to the US consulate that you are capable of paying for your expenses while in the US, so you will first need to show that you have at least a few thousand dollars in a bank account, as a minimum. Also, your age, marital status and education level play a huge role in whether you get a visa or not. Then, there is the cost of the airplane ticket. To come to the US from all the countries you mentioned will cost you at least $1000 in economy class.

I am sure that by now you will realise that all these obstacles mean that only very few within those countries can come to the US. So the Asian, Middle-Eastern and Eastern European immigrants that you see here are mostly:
1. Educated
2. Wealthy (At least by their home country standards)

Mexicans and Central American on the other hand, can come here by land, and do not need to get a visa in order to board a plane. They just take cars, buses or trains to come to the nearest town across the border and then cross on foot. This is the reason why you do not see hordes of Chinese and Indian farmers coming to the USA, but you see hordes of Mexican farmers coming in.

The fact is that the US needs them. As someone else already said: Who do you think builds the houses? Who cleans the office buildings? Who makes the hotel beds?

What the masses of Germans, Irish and Italians were a hundred or more years ago is precisely what the Mexicans, Guatemalans and Salvadorans are now. The Irish and the Germans came here by boat using the transatlantic behemoths that no longer exist. The Mexicans come here by foot.

The prejudices you have fallen for already existed back then. Do a quick search about how the Irish were stereotyped. Just like the US gets scientists and doctors from India today, there were probably English doctors coming in first class aboard the Titanic while on the decks below the Irish farmers and factory workers were crowded in third class.

 

[untermensche]

Mexico's problem is capitalism.

From within and without.

There is no other force to blame it on.

 

[whichphilosophy]

And while they do make progress, even after two decades on almost every indicator they are far behind the native born population, as well as immigrants from every other country. (And after here twenty years, their welfare rate INCREASES).

"So when compared" to not just Canadians and the British Kingdom, but also compared to South Koreans, Chinese, Filipinos, Russians, Indians, and Arabs. Unfortunately, not a huge surprise.

There is a very simple explanation for this:
All the nationalities that you mentioned above need, by force, to come to the USA by air travel. That means, you will:
1. Need to apply for a visa at a US embassy before any airline will even sell you a ticket
2. Show the visa at the point of entry to an immigration official, in this case, at an international airport.

Now, maxparrish, I will give you the benefit of the doubt so instead of assuming you are a bigot I will asume you say all these outrageous claims about Mexican immigrants out of ignorance and perhaps a few purely anecdotal bad experiences with Mexicans (such as getting diarrhoea for eating tacos)

First of all, getting a US entry visa is not that easy. You need to demonstrate to the US consulate that you are capable of paying for your expenses while in the US, so you will first need to show that you have at least a few thousand dollars in a bank account, as a minimum. Also, your age, marital status and education level play a huge role in whether you get a visa or not. Then, there is the cost of the airplane ticket. To come to the US from all the countries you mentioned will cost you at least $1000 in economy class.

I am sure that by now you will realise that all these obstacles mean that only very few within those countries can come to the US. So the Asian, Middle-Eastern and Eastern European immigrants that you see here are mostly:
1. Educated
2. Wealthy (At least by their home country standards)

Mexicans and Central American on the other hand, can come here by land, and do not need to get a visa in order to board a plane. They just take cars, buses or trains to come to the nearest town across the border and then cross on foot. This is the reason why you do not see hordes of Chinese and Indian farmers coming to the USA, but you see hordes of Mexican farmers coming in.

The fact is that the US needs them. As someone else already said: Who do you think builds the houses? Who cleans the office buildings? Who makes the hotel beds?

What the masses of Germans, Irish and Italians were a hundred or more years ago is precisely what the Mexicans, Guatemalans and Salvadorans are now. The Irish and the Germans came here by boat using the transatlantic behemoths that no longer exist. The Mexicans come here by foot.

The prejudices you have fallen for already existed back then. Do a quick search about how the Irish were stereotyped. Just like the US gets scientists and doctors from India today, there were probably English doctors coming in first class aboard the Titanic while on the decks below the Irish farmers and factory workers were crowded in third class.

The problems we have nowadays is higher populations, high unemployment, and higher volumes of people who want to come into the country. Bias has nothing to do with it.
A country has a right to protect its borders and its jobs while still filling in needed jobs from abroad. My point earlier is if we had no one coming into the USA, people would still build houses, clean offices and make hotel beds.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Mexico's problem is capitalism.

From within and without.

There is no other force to blame it on.

Your problem is a hatred of capitalism.

Mexico's problem is a combination of socialism and corruption.

 

[4321lynx]

Mexico's problem is capitalism.

From within and without.

There is no other force to blame it on.

Your problem is a hatred of capitalism.

Mexico's problem is a combination of socialism and corruption.

That is a mixture of socialism and capitalism. Capitalism being nothing but institutionised, sanitized, and whitewashed corruption, all done to the pattern desired by the holders of capital.

 

[untermensche]

Mexico's problem is capitalism.

From within and without.

There is no other force to blame it on.

Your problem is a hatred of capitalism.

Mexico's problem is a combination of socialism and corruption.

It has been a capitalist nation living next to a capitalist nation for decades.

Capitalism is the dominant force in the region.

The problems of Mexico can't be blamed on anything else. Nothing else has been in play for decades.

But those with delusions of what capitalism really is will deny this.

 

[untermensche]

Your problem is a hatred of capitalism.

Mexico's problem is a combination of socialism and corruption.

That is a mixture of socialism and capitalism. Capitalism being nothing but institutionised, sanitized, and whitewashed corruption, all done to the pattern desired by the holders of capital.

To say corrupted capitalism is to be redundant.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Your problem is a hatred of capitalism.

Mexico's problem is a combination of socialism and corruption.

That is a mixture of socialism and capitalism. Capitalism being nothing but institutionised, sanitized, and whitewashed corruption, all done to the pattern desired by the holders of capital.

No. Socialism has far more corruption than capitalism because fundamentally corruption requires someone to be in a position of controlling resources belonging to another. The more such control, the more potential.

Furthermore, a central control structure makes it harder to uproot corruption.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Your problem is a hatred of capitalism.

Mexico's problem is a combination of socialism and corruption.

It has been a capitalist nation living next to a capitalist nation for decades.

Capitalism is the dominant force in the region.

The problems of Mexico can't be blamed on anything else. Nothing else has been in play for decades.

But those with delusions of what capitalism really is will deny this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Mexico

Look at the political parties. Plenty of socialism there.

 

[untermensche]

It has been a capitalist nation living next to a capitalist nation for decades.

Capitalism is the dominant force in the region.

The problems of Mexico can't be blamed on anything else. Nothing else has been in play for decades.

But those with delusions of what capitalism really is will deny this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Mexico

Look at the political parties. Plenty of socialism there.

It is a joke to think the economics of the US or Mexico have been Socialism, except Socialism for the rich, for the past 100 years.

It is capitalism that is the root of the problems with Mexico.

 

[bleubird]

We have corporatism.Look back and see how they got the resources.Railroad land grants.Federal mining act.Logging on Federal land.
I am sure there was no corruption back then.

 

[Kharakov]

Why would anyone expect that it is the best people who emigrate from a country?

I'm assuming you're Indigenous?

 

[bilby]

Why would anyone expect that it is the best people who emigrate from a country?

For the same reason that they expect the best people to look for work; to start their own businesses; in general, to get of their arses and make things happen, rather than waiting for life to hand it to them on a plate.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Mexico

Look at the political parties. Plenty of socialism there.

It is a joke to think the economics of the US or Mexico have been Socialism, except Socialism for the rich, for the past 100 years.

It is capitalism that is the root of the problems with Mexico.

Look at the parties.

You just call anything that doesn't work capitalism.

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Why would anyone expect that it is the best people who emigrate from a country?

For the same reason that they expect the best people to look for work; to start their own businesses; in general, to get of their arses and make things happen, rather than waiting for life to hand it to them on a plate.

Exactly. They look for opportunity--even if that means emigrating. They're also much more willing to trust their own abilities to make a life rather than relying on the safety net they have in their old place.

 

[untermensche]

It is a joke to think the economics of the US or Mexico have been Socialism, except Socialism for the rich, for the past 100 years.

It is capitalism that is the root of the problems with Mexico.

Look at the parties.

You just call anything that doesn't work capitalism.

No, I say capitalism doesn't work. You need to shove a bunch of stuff on top of it just to make it decent. And capitalists continually find a way to fuck things up anyway.

But Mexico's capitalism doesn't shove as much stuff on top as American capitalism so we better see the true nature of capitalism.

 

[4321lynx]

Originally Posted by laughing dog
Why would anyone expect that it is the best people who emigrate from a country?

Some of them do, from some countries: eg scientists and doctors immigrating mostly legally to the USA where the action is .

This is different from the mass illegal immigration of Latinos, mostly the poorest of the poor, badly educated, with little or nothing to lose at home. Everybody here knows this but the various arguments put up seem to ignore the difference too often.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

It is a joke to think the economics of the US or Mexico have been Socialism, except Socialism for the rich, for the past 100 years.

It is capitalism that is the root of the problems with Mexico.

Look at the parties.

You just call anything that doesn't work capitalism.

Let's take a look at the big three parties:

 National Action Party - Conservative

The PAN currently occupies the right of Mexico's political spectrum, advocating free enterprise, Pragmatism, Small government, Privatization and Libertarianism reforms as well. Supports regulated same-sex unions but neglects Same-sex marriage and disproportionate abortion. Its philosophy has similarities with Europe's Christian democratic parties. The PAN is a member of the Christian Democrat Organization of America. In general, PAN claims to support free enterprise and thus free trade agreements.​

 Party of the Democratic Revolution - Progressivist/European Socialist

The PRD, since its founding, believes that the state should have jurisdiction and should intervene in the fundamental and prioritized areas of the productive sector, as are nutrition, production of clean energy, telecommunications, the process of technology, infrastructure, communication mediums, financial systems, and technology trade for the national and regional development, restraining ownership and dominion of hydrocarbons and radio-electric spectrum for the nation and the recovery of basic goods that guarantee our sovereignty​

PRI ( Institutional Revolutionary Party)- Corporatist - Center/center right - the old ruling party


Looking at the current major parties it is hard to characterize Mexico's politics as socialist since a the conservative parties control the Chamber of Deputies, the Senate, and the presidency.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

And to further educate people who post about the Mexican economy without any facts other than Speedy Gonzales cartoons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mexico


And the downside of this bustling economy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Mexico