The real reason Iran wants a nuclear deal

[Perspicuo]

The Saturday Night Live Theory of U.S.-Iran Relations
("I’m not a vegetarian because I love animals. I’m a vegetarian because I hate plants.")
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/07/iran-nuclear-deal-isis/397604/

If the U.S. and Iran conclude a nuclear deal next week, the Islamic Republic stands to gain billions of dollars in eventual sanctions relief. But money isn’t the most important reason the Iranian leadership may be set to shake hands with its historic enemy after 18 months of negotiations.

“One of the most important reasons Iran is signing this deal, in my opinion ... is not actually sanctions,” said Vali Nasr, the dean of Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies. “It’s ISIS. There is actually support for this deal within the Revolutionary Guards in Iran, because their day job is right now fighting ISIS, and they need the United States, particularly in Iraq, on the right side of that fight.”

 

[Jayjay]

Ironically, ISIS may end up being an agent for peace in Middle East by making everyone else join forces against them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Ironically, ISIS may end up being an agent for peace in Middle East by making everyone else join forces against them.

Not everyone--some like them.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The Saturday Night Live Theory of U.S.-Iran Relations
("I’m not a vegetarian because I love animals. I’m a vegetarian because I hate plants.")
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/07/iran-nuclear-deal-isis/397604/

If the U.S. and Iran conclude a nuclear deal next week, the Islamic Republic stands to gain billions of dollars in eventual sanctions relief. But money isn’t the most important reason the Iranian leadership may be set to shake hands with its historic enemy after 18 months of negotiations.

“One of the most important reasons Iran is signing this deal, in my opinion ... is not actually sanctions,” said Vali Nasr, the dean of Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies. “It’s ISIS. There is actually support for this deal within the Revolutionary Guards in Iran, because their day job is right now fighting ISIS, and they need the United States, particularly in Iraq, on the right side of that fight.”

Common sense dictates that they should be working together against ISIS which is a common enemy with or without complicating it.
In fact SAUDI is sitting on a whole range of fighter planes and military hardware but Iran is more likely to take action than Saudi to eliminate this group.

 

[fromderinside]

Common sense dictates that they should be working together against ISIS which is a common enemy with or without complicating it.
In fact SAUDI is sitting on a whole range of fighter planes and military hardware but Iran is more likely to take action than Saudi to eliminate this group.

Simple question with simple answer. Has Pakistan, a Islamic nation with a nuclear arsenal, nuked India its ancestral religious enemy? More domestically has it threatened to nuke the US? How much dies it cost to keep this status? What? Only 10 billion a year. Shit. Let Iran develop its plutonium. 10 billion is less than we lose each year from paying out for dead people here in the US.

I'm sure Iran developing capability will bring Saudi Arabia around fast enough.

Hot (Deep)Pockets.

 

[Jayjay]

I'll be damned. Iran and US agree on a nuclear deal. I did not see that coming, based on previous fruitless negotiations.

At the heart of the agreement between Iran and the six powers—the U.S., U.K., Russia, China, Germany and France—is Tehran’s acceptance of strict limits on its nuclear activities for 10 years. These are supposed to ensure that the country remains a minimum of 12 months away from amassing enough nuclear fuel for a bomb. After the 10-year period, those constraints will ease in the subsequent five years.

In exchange, the U.S., the European Union and the United Nations will lift tight international sanctions on Tehran, a move that Western diplomats say could help Iran’s economy to expand by 7% to 8% annually for years to come.

What's next, cats and dogs living together?

One should hope that if Iran becomes more engaged with rest of the world, they'll tone down their anti-US rhetoric and actions.

 

[barbos]

It has been clear for a while that both sides wanted that deal.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'll be damned. Iran and US agree on a nuclear deal. I did not see that coming, based on previous fruitless negotiations.

At the heart of the agreement between Iran and the six powers—the U.S., U.K., Russia, China, Germany and France—is Tehran’s acceptance of strict limits on its nuclear activities for 10 years. These are supposed to ensure that the country remains a minimum of 12 months away from amassing enough nuclear fuel for a bomb. After the 10-year period, those constraints will ease in the subsequent five years.

In exchange, the U.S., the European Union and the United Nations will lift tight international sanctions on Tehran, a move that Western diplomats say could help Iran’s economy to expand by 7% to 8% annually for years to come.

What's next, cats and dogs living together?

One should hope that if Iran becomes more engaged with rest of the world, they'll tone down their anti-US rhetoric and actions.

I figured we would see a deal. Obama was willing to give away the store to get a sham deal.

Iran is going to get it's frozen assets and go right back to working on a bomb.

 

[Ford]

I figured we would see a deal. Obama was willing to give away the store to get a sham deal.

Iran is going to get it's frozen assets and go right back to working on a bomb.

And then they'll annex the Sudetenland!

 

[Horatio Parker]

Sounds like a sales pitch to sell the deal to hard line Iran haters.

We would go soft on ISIS because it make things harder for Iran? When the Saudis and the Israelis are against ISIS? I don't think so.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Iran is getting choked by sanctions. They need those lifted. The US and the rest of the world want Iran to slow down their bomb development. ISIS has little to do with this.

I'll be damned. Iran and US agree on a nuclear deal. I did not see that coming, based on previous fruitless negotiations.



What's next, cats and dogs living together?

One should hope that if Iran becomes more engaged with rest of the world, they'll tone down their anti-US rhetoric and actions.

I figured we would see a deal. Obama was willing to give away the store to get a sham deal.

Iran is going to get it's frozen assets and go right back to working on a bomb.

So, does this deal slow down their development?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Iran is getting choked by sanctions. They need those lifted. The US and the rest of the world want Iran to slow down their bomb development. ISIS has little to do with this.

I figured we would see a deal. Obama was willing to give away the store to get a sham deal.

Iran is going to get it's frozen assets and go right back to working on a bomb.

So, does this deal slow down their development?

In theory--but it gives them $100 billion. They'll be able to afford to do more.

 

[credoconsolans]

I'm not sure how this deal accomplishes much.

Iran gets sanctions lifted and agrees to aggressive UN inspections, dismantling their nuclear developments...are the inspectors going to search the whole country? Iranians could easily continue their buildup out in the desert somewhere and now with sanctions lifting, have a whole lot more money to build them up faster.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm not sure how this deal accomplishes much.

Iran gets sanctions lifted and agrees to aggressive UN inspections, dismantling their nuclear developments...are the inspectors going to search the whole country? Iranians could easily continue their buildup out in the desert somewhere and now with sanctions lifting, have a whole lot more money to build them up faster.

It pushes Iran getting a bomb further down the road. Which is pretty much all one can best hope to accomplish.

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Iran is getting choked by sanctions. They need those lifted. The US and the rest of the world want Iran to slow down their bomb development. ISIS has little to do with this.
So, does this deal slow down their development?

In theory...

In theory? What do you mean in theory? They lose a lot of material, lose a lot of production equipment. It is a major set back to development. It doesn't slow them down in theory. Money doesn't just buy you enriched uranium or plutonium.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It pushes Iran getting a bomb further down the road. Which is pretty much all one can best hope to accomplish.

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Iran is getting choked by sanctions. They need those lifted. The US and the rest of the world want Iran to slow down their bomb development. ISIS has little to do with this.
So, does this deal slow down their development?

In theory...

In theory? What do you mean in theory? They lose a lot of material, lose a lot of production equipment. It is a major set back to development. It doesn't slow them down in theory. Money doesn't just buy you enriched uranium or plutonium.

Material, yes.

Production equipment: They lose their crap.

Meanwhile they get $100 billion unfrozen.

 

[Cerberus]

I'll be damned. Iran and US agree on a nuclear deal. I did not see that coming, based on previous fruitless negotiations.

At the heart of the agreement between Iran and the six powers—the U.S., U.K., Russia, China, Germany and France—is Tehran’s acceptance of strict limits on its nuclear activities for 10 years. These are supposed to ensure that the country remains a minimum of 12 months away from amassing enough nuclear fuel for a bomb. After the 10-year period, those constraints will ease in the subsequent five years.

In exchange, the U.S., the European Union and the United Nations will lift tight international sanctions on Tehran, a move that Western diplomats say could help Iran’s economy to expand by 7% to 8% annually for years to come.

What's next, cats and dogs living together?

One should hope that if Iran becomes more engaged with rest of the world, they'll tone down their anti-US rhetoric and actions.

Er, Obama needs a legacy?

 

[jonatha]

Er, Obama needs a legacy?

But of course.

Because health care for the masses, successfully negotiating a way out of the worst recession in memory, major civil rights victories in the Supreme Court, etc. aren't nearly enough....

 

[ksen]

Arms control experts are tweeting praise for the Iran nuclear deal

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Er, Obama needs a legacy?

But of course.

Because health care for the masses, successfully negotiating a way out of the worst recession in memory, major civil rights victories in the Supreme Court, etc. aren't nearly enough....

But those were all secondary and mostly unintentional goals which were pretty much all due to his stealing Republican ideas that Reagan came up with first.

After six and a half years, he has so far failed miserably in his primary goal of turning the US into an atheist muslim caliphate where all the white people are forced into prison camps and turned homosexual because they couldn't fight back after having their guns stolen by the FBI brute squads. Without having that accomplishment under his belt, he needs to do something to prop up his pathetic attempt at a legacy.

 

[dismal]

It pushes Iran getting a bomb further down the road. Which is pretty much all one can best hope to accomplish.

I remember back when someone who even suggested Iran wanted a bomb was a saber-rattling war monger. 2008 or so, I think.

Now Obama is a hero for paying them to maybe stop building a bomb.