A black GOP candidate polling at 23% and climbing?

[ronburgundy]

Latest polls show that among GOP primary voters, Ben Carson has jumped to 23% and closing on Trump.

Given the empirically well established racism that pervades the GOP base, this is somewhat surprising. That said, about 11% of those voters are non-white (much more Hispanic than black). Let's assume (can't find data) that his support is disproportionately from non-whites, but even if half of them support Carson, that is only 23% - 5.5% = 17.5% of white GOP voters supporting a black man for president above his very white and mostly very racist competition.

Of course, Carson himself is a bigot, both sexist and homophobic (natural byproducts of his religion). So maybe those 17.5% figure that 2 out 3 ain't bad.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Latest polls show that among GOP primary voters, Ben Carson has jumped to 23% and closing on Trump.

Given the empirically well established racism that pervades the GOP base, this is somewhat surprising. That said, about 11% of those voters are non-white (much more Hispanic than black). Let's assume (can't find data) that his support is disproportionately from non-whites, but even if half of them support Carson, that is only 23% - 5.5% = 17.5% of white GOP voters supporting a black man for president above his very white and mostly very racist competition.

Of course, Carson himself is a bigot, both sexist and homophobic (natural byproducts of his religion). So maybe those 17.5% figure that 2 out 3 ain't bad.

That would be pretty awkward if he got the nomination and then all the GOP Governors had to hurry up and roll back all the barriers they put up to black people voting.

 

[ksen]

The GOP loves black men that speak truth to thug culture.

See also: Thomas Sowell, Walter White, Alan Keyes and Bill Cosby.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Latest polls show that among GOP primary voters, Ben Carson has jumped to 23% and closing on Trump.

Given the empirically well established racism that pervades the GOP base, this is somewhat surprising. That said, about 11% of those voters are non-white (much more Hispanic than black). Let's assume (can't find data) that his support is disproportionately from non-whites, but even if half of them support Carson, that is only 23% - 5.5% = 17.5% of white GOP voters supporting a black man for president above his very white and mostly very racist competition.

Of course, Carson himself is a bigot, both sexist and homophobic (natural byproducts of his religion). So maybe those 17.5% figure that 2 out 3 ain't bad.

That would be pretty awkward if he got the nomination and then all the GOP Governors had to hurry up and roll back all the barriers they put up to black people voting.

Black people won't vote for him so it is no matter.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-republicans-dawn-turner-20150915-column.html

 

[ronburgundy]

Latest polls show that among GOP primary voters, Ben Carson has jumped to 23% and closing on Trump.

Given the empirically well established racism that pervades the GOP base, this is somewhat surprising. That said, about 11% of those voters are non-white (much more Hispanic than black). Let's assume (can't find data) that his support is disproportionately from non-whites, but even if half of them support Carson, that is only 23% - 5.5% = 17.5% of white GOP voters supporting a black man for president above his very white and mostly very racist competition.

Of course, Carson himself is a bigot, both sexist and homophobic (natural byproducts of his religion). So maybe those 17.5% figure that 2 out 3 ain't bad.

That would be pretty awkward if he got the nomination and then all the GOP Governors had to hurry up and roll back all the barriers they put up to black people voting.

No, really. You should do political stand-up.

Seriously, his policies and the party he empowers are so harmful to blacks that one would have to put racist identification with his skin color above all else to vote for him. I would hope the % of blacks that describes would be below 50%, thus it would still be a net advantage for the GOP to keep their racist election laws in place.

 

[ronburgundy]

The GOP loves black men that speak truth to thug culture.

See also: Thomas Sowell, Walter White, Alan Keyes and Bill Cosby.

Yeah, I know he shares their views on race generally. But racism is a rather gut-level emotive thing. Suppressing their hate and fear of his blackness enough to pull the lever for him for more general pragmatic gain takes some admirable self control.

The reality is that he could very well have the greatest chance to win the general election, and yet with that knowledge most GOP base would still not nominate him. It is only a minority (is that a "pun"?) of GOP voters capable of suppressing their racism enough to vote for the outcomes his presidency would bring about.

 

[Derec]

Walter White

Walter White?

 

[ksen]

Walter White

Walter White?

lol, oops!

I meant Walter Williams.

 

[ronburgundy]

That would be pretty awkward if he got the nomination and then all the GOP Governors had to hurry up and roll back all the barriers they put up to black people voting.

Black people won't vote for him so it is no matter.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-republicans-dawn-turner-20150915-column.html

I think you are correct in our post-Obama world. But I wonder how many blacks would have supported him as a GOP candidate, if Obama had lost and Carson was the first realistic chance at a black president. As soon as Obama became a candidate in 2008 about 85% of black voters in every state immediately switched to supporting him over Hilary. At least a notable portion of that had to be for no other reason than his race, without one wit of knowledge of his policies. No, this inference is not because they are black but because they are Americans and because they had no time to rationally compare them on substance before they switched.

Switching from one Dem to another is not at all the same as to a GOP candidate. But odds are that some % of blacks would find the switch acceptable. After all, there is no shortage of Carsons' style of sexist, homophobic, theocratic, anti-science views in the black community. There are in fact issues on which he (and the GOP generally) are more in line with the black community than the Dems.

 

[Blahface]

That would be pretty awkward if he got the nomination and then all the GOP Governors had to hurry up and roll back all the barriers they put up to black people voting.

I doubt black people are going to be flocking to Carson over the Democrat if he is the nominee.

 

[ronburgundy]

Walter White?

lol, oops!

I meant Walter Williams.

Although, meth is big among white-trash. So, if Walter White was black, many GOP voters would still like him.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Black people won't vote for him so it is no matter.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-republicans-dawn-turner-20150915-column.html

I think you are correct in our post-Obama world. But I wonder how many blacks would have supported him as a GOP candidate, if Obama had lost and Carson was the first realistic chance at a black president. As soon as Obama became a candidate in 2008 about 85% of black voters in every state immediately switched to supporting him over Hilary. At least a notable portion of that had to be for no other reason than his race, without one wit of knowledge of his policies. No, this inference is not because they are black but because they are Americans and because they had no time to rationally compare them on substance before they switched.

Switching from one Dem to another is not at all the same as to a GOP candidate. But odds are that some % of blacks would find the switch acceptable. After all, there is no shortage of Carsons' style of sexist, homophobic, theocratic, anti-science views in the black community. There are in fact issues on which he (and the GOP generally) are more in line with the black community than the Dems.

Source?

 

[Playball40]

The GOP loves black men that speak truth to thug culture.

See also: Thomas Sowell, Walter White, Alan Keyes and Bill Cosby.

Let's not forget Allen West!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Latest polls show that among GOP primary voters, Ben Carson has jumped to 23% and closing on Trump.

Given the empirically well established racism that pervades the GOP base, this is somewhat surprising. That said, about 11% of those voters are non-white (much more Hispanic than black). Let's assume (can't find data) that his support is disproportionately from non-whites, but even if half of them support Carson, that is only 23% - 5.5% = 17.5% of white GOP voters supporting a black man for president above his very white and mostly very racist competition.

Of course, Carson himself is a bigot, both sexist and homophobic (natural byproducts of his religion). So maybe those 17.5% figure that 2 out 3 ain't bad.

The entire Republican Party isn't racist. Just a percentage of them, which appears to be 1 in 6 or 1 in 5.

Carson, on the surface seems like a breath of fresh air, in a rather poop filled Republican primary lineup. The problem Carson will have is that he will open his mouth and when people start listening, and when the press stop ignoring him, he'll crash. He may be the first supernova candidate of this race.

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The GOP loves black men that speak truth to thug culture.

See also: Thomas Sowell, Walter White, Alan Keyes and Bill Cosby.

Let's not forget Allen West!

I think you mean Colonel Allen West.

 

[Angry Floof]

It's not so surprising that the GOP would love Ben Carson. Do not underestimate the power of compartmentalization - that cognitive whirligig so deeply entrenched in conservative minds. Black people are *mostly* lazy and violent, but not *this* black person 'cause he's a politician who forwards the ideological disease. See how that works?

 

[ronburgundy]

I think you are correct in our post-Obama world. But I wonder how many blacks would have supported him as a GOP candidate, if Obama had lost and Carson was the first realistic chance at a black president. As soon as Obama became a candidate in 2008 about 85% of black voters in every state immediately switched to supporting him over Hilary. At least a notable portion of that had to be for no other reason than his race, without one wit of knowledge of his policies. No, this inference is not because they are black but because they are Americans and because they had no time to rationally compare them on substance before they switched.

Switching from one Dem to another is not at all the same as to a GOP candidate. But odds are that some % of blacks would find the switch acceptable. After all, there is no shortage of Carsons' style of sexist, homophobic, theocratic, anti-science views in the black community. There are in fact issues on which he (and the GOP generally) are more in line with the black community than the Dems.

Source?

For what? that black voters surprised even Hillary's team by how quickly they jumped to Obama?

Here is news story covering how the black leaders working on Hillary's campaign were stunned by losing the black vote so easily.


Or are you pretending that blacks' social/religious conservatism on most issues outside of race and economics isn't well established? That would also require pretending that the many variables on which blacks and whites differ (income, education, religiosity, etc.) have no predictive relationships to conservative attitudes about sexuality, gender roles, science, etc.. Hint: they have well established reliable relationships that all predict greater conservative/authoritarian views on those issues among blacks.

If you really aren't aware of the mountain of evidence for this, here is a place to start. A gallup poll showing that black "Democrats" actually looks much like white Republicans than white Democrats on acceptance of homosexuality in general, gay unions, abortions, out of wedlock sex, and stem cell research.

 

[ronburgundy]

It's not so surprising that the GOP would love Ben Carson. Do not underestimate the power of compartmentalization - that cognitive whirligig so deeply entrenched in conservative minds. Black people are *mostly* lazy and violent, but not *this* black person 'cause he's a politician who forwards the ideological disease. See how that works?

Sure, that's basically what I was alluding to by pointing out that Carson is a sexist, homophobe, so he gets a 2 out of 3 score among GOP voters and that could be good enough.
In truth, my "somewhat surprising" comment was tongue-in-cheek. While deep seated racism of the sort that would prevent handing any black man the reigns of the Presidency is common among the GOP base, it isn't at 100%. So, a black man that is otherwise bigoted and has all the "right" (literally) views on things including race, would be passable to some % of GOP voters.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Source?

For what? that black voters surprised even Hillary's team by how quickly they jumped to Obama?

Here is news story covering how the black leaders working on Hillary's campaign were stunned by losing the black vote so easily.


Or are you pretending that blacks' social/religious conservatism on most issues outside of race and economics isn't well established? That would also require pretending that the many variables on which blacks and whites differ (income, education, religiosity, etc.) have no predictive relationships to conservative attitudes about sexuality, gender roles, science, etc.. Hint: they have well established reliable relationships that all predict greater conservative/authoritarian views on those issues among blacks.

If you really aren't aware of the mountain of evidence for this, here is a place to start. A gallup poll showing that black "Democrats" actually looks much like white Republicans than white Democrats on acceptance of homosexuality in general, gay unions, abortions, out of wedlock sex, and stem cell research.

You made several specific statements, but this one stuck out

As soon as Obama became a candidate in 2008 about 85% of black voters in every state immediately switched to supporting him over Hilary.

Can you source that one?

And as conservative as black people are, getting us to vote in significant numbers for the party of the Southern Strategy, Jesse Helms, and Willie Horton will take a lot more than fielding a black candidate.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I have since found some scary stuff on this guy, but at the fox debate they did, he came across as one of the very few sane people in the room. He may get a certain credibility and cross over appeal in a general election based on just that. I thought the same of Huntsman last time around. I think he had a real chance of beating Obama in the general, or at least much better than Romney. I think Carson has a much better chance than Trump or Jeb Bush.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I have since found some scary stuff on this guy, but at the fox debate they did, he came across as one of the very few sane people in the room.

Only because he didn't talk about anything. Of all the jokers in that room, he is the only one that has really accomplished something of value. Trump would be the other consideration. The rest are either politicians or the shadows of politicians.

He may get a certain credibility and cross over appeal in a general election based on just that.

Not until he talks about women.

I thought the same of Huntsman last time around.

Who? I think they needed to extend precision of polls to 0.01% in order to catch his supporters.

The problem is you can't please the maxparrish's who'll only be happy with some imaginary conservative idol with the super power to reaniminate the dead and renominate Rehnquist to the Supreme Court and the God blessed independent voters.