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Once again we find the wage gap is due to mommy track

So, here is why most "research" coming out of Schools of Business and Economics is such tripe.

They tend to be highly incompetent at thinking about complex causal models of human behavior and decision-making, leading them to simply throw in a bunch of "control variables" and presume that this is a more valid test of a causal hypothesis. Their naive faith in statistical modelling makes them blind to the theoretical assumptions that inherently underlie their interpretations and their choice in how to set up their statistical models.

Valid control variables are those that plausibly cause (even if indirectly) both the other key variables of interest (gender and compensation), but would not plausibly be a mediator or interact with the causality between the other variables.

For example, number of criminal assaults and ice cream eating are correlated. A valid control to test whether ice cream increases assaults is air temperature, because temperature can indirectly cause both things, but is not a plausible mechanism or context that determines when and how ice cream causes assault.

In contrast, age and experience are actually not something you can simply control for to test whether gender impacts salary and promotion.
Neither age nor experience cause gender, so they cannot be a third variable explanation, which is the main justification for controlling for a variable. Instead, gender could actually causally impact the average age and experience of people within a given company, and it can do so via sexism. Gender can trigger sexist mistreatment that over time leads to quitting, which would produce an average lower age and experience level among the women who remain. In addition, gender could causally interact with age such that the kind of sexism that leads to quitting is most targeted against older women and not the young (hot) women in a company. Thus, the older women quit more both because they mistreated more than young women or men of any age, and because as women gain job experience they also gain more and more sexist experiences that eventually lead to quitting.

Of the subset of women that are left, they are non-representative and could easily be the type of women who persists despite constant decades of sexism, including being so confident that their skills are much higher than their male supervisors that the sexism is not enough to deter them. Their added obstacle would mean they are more committed and competent than the males promoted around them who did not face this obstacle. Thus, explaining their higher pay. Yet, their success does nothing to diminish that they were targeted by sexism as were their female coworkers, many of whom dropped out just as many men would have had they faced such an obstacle.

Note that while this is speculation, so is every conclusion in the OP article. Correlational data, no matter how sophisticated the analysis means nothing without interpretation that is always speculating about the most plausible underlying causal relations that could explain the statistical results
My speculation seems to account for their results equally well, and is more psychologically plausible, taking into account how other data speaks to the likely way in which age, experience, and gender would relate to each other, if sexism did exist in the workplace.

These researchers are assuming that the only way the gender would impact age and experience is via non-sexist factors like desire to be a stay at home mom. Only if that untested assumption is true, is there approach valid. And there is evidence that it isn't true. Women quit due to sexist treatment, and that would make those still on the job at any timepoint younger and less experienced than people who don't quit due to sexism, men.
 
So, here is why most "research" coming out of Schools of Business and Economics is such tripe.

They tend to be highly incompetent at thinking about complex causal models of human behavior and decision-making, leading them to simply throw in a bunch of "control variables" and presume that this is a more valid test of a causal hypothesis. Their naive faith in statistical modelling makes them blind to the theoretical assumptions that inherently underlie their interpretations and their choice in how to set up their statistical models.

Valid control variables are those that plausibly cause (even if indirectly) both the other key variables of interest (gender and compensation), but would not plausibly be a mediator or interact with the causality between the other variables.

For example, number of criminal assaults and ice cream eating are correlated. A valid control to test whether ice cream increases assaults is air temperature, because temperature can indirectly cause both things, but is not a plausible mechanism or context that determines when and how ice cream causes assault.

In contrast, age and experience are actually not something you can simply control for to test whether gender impacts salary and promotion.
Neither age nor experience cause gender, so they cannot be a third variable explanation, which is the main justification for controlling for a variable. Instead, gender could actually causally impact the average age and experience of people within a given company, and it can do so via sexism. Gender can trigger sexist mistreatment that over time leads to quitting, which would produce an average lower age and experience level among the women who remain. In addition, gender could causally interact with age such that the kind of sexism that leads to quitting is most targeted against older women and not the young (hot) women in a company. Thus, the older women quit more both because they mistreated more than young women or men of any age, and because as women gain job experience they also gain more and more sexist experiences that eventually lead to quitting.

Of the subset of women that are left, they are non-representative and could easily be the type of women who persists despite constant decades of sexism, including being so confident that their skills are much higher than their male supervisors that the sexism is not enough to deter them. Their added obstacle would mean they are more committed and competent than the males promoted around them who did not face this obstacle. Thus, explaining their higher pay. Yet, their success does nothing to diminish that they were targeted by sexism as were their female coworkers, many of whom dropped out just as many men would have had they faced such an obstacle.

Note that while this is speculation, so is every conclusion in the OP article. Correlational data, no matter how sophisticated the analysis means nothing without interpretation that is always speculating about the most plausible underlying causal relations that could explain the statistical results
My speculation seems to account for their results equally well, and is more psychologically plausible, taking into account how other data speaks to the likely way in which age, experience, and gender would relate to each other, if sexism did exist in the workplace.

These researchers are assuming that the only way the gender would impact age and experience is via non-sexist factors like desire to be a stay at home mom. Only if that untested assumption is true, is there approach valid. And there is evidence that it isn't true. Women quit due to sexist treatment, and that would make those still on the job at any timepoint younger and less experienced than people who don't quit due to sexism, men.

Wow. <<shakes head and sighs.>>
 
So, here is why most "research" coming out of Schools of Business and Economics is such tripe.

They tend to be highly incompetent at thinking about complex causal models of human behavior and decision-making, leading them to simply throw in a bunch of "control variables" and presume that this is a more valid test of a causal hypothesis. Their naive faith in statistical modelling makes them blind to the theoretical assumptions that inherently underlie their interpretations and their choice in how to set up their statistical models.

Valid control variables are those that plausibly cause (even if indirectly) both the other key variables of interest (gender and compensation), but would not plausibly be a mediator or interact with the causality between the other variables.

For example, number of criminal assaults and ice cream eating are correlated. A valid control to test whether ice cream increases assaults is air temperature, because temperature can indirectly cause both things, but is not a plausible mechanism or context that determines when and how ice cream causes assault.

In contrast, age and experience are actually not something you can simply control for to test whether gender impacts salary and promotion.
Neither age nor experience cause gender, so they cannot be a third variable explanation, which is the main justification for controlling for a variable. Instead, gender could actually causally impact the average age and experience of people within a given company, and it can do so via sexism. Gender can trigger sexist mistreatment that over time leads to quitting, which would produce an average lower age and experience level among the women who remain. In addition, gender could causally interact with age such that the kind of sexism that leads to quitting is most targeted against older women and not the young (hot) women in a company. Thus, the older women quit more both because they mistreated more than young women or men of any age, and because as women gain job experience they also gain more and more sexist experiences that eventually lead to quitting.

Of the subset of women that are left, they are non-representative and could easily be the type of women who persists despite constant decades of sexism, including being so confident that their skills are much higher than their male supervisors that the sexism is not enough to deter them. Their added obstacle would mean they are more committed and competent than the males promoted around them who did not face this obstacle. Thus, explaining their higher pay. Yet, their success does nothing to diminish that they were targeted by sexism as were their female coworkers, many of whom dropped out just as many men would have had they faced such an obstacle.

Note that while this is speculation, so is every conclusion in the OP article. Correlational data, no matter how sophisticated the analysis means nothing without interpretation that is always speculating about the most plausible underlying causal relations that could explain the statistical results
My speculation seems to account for their results equally well, and is more psychologically plausible, taking into account how other data speaks to the likely way in which age, experience, and gender would relate to each other, if sexism did exist in the workplace.

These researchers are assuming that the only way the gender would impact age and experience is via non-sexist factors like desire to be a stay at home mom. Only if that untested assumption is true, is there approach valid. And there is evidence that it isn't true. Women quit due to sexist treatment, and that would make those still on the job at any timepoint younger and less experienced than people who don't quit due to sexism, men.

Wow. <<shakes head and sighs.>>

Can you expand on that?
 
If society wants to continue it should pay women more if they have children, not less.

It should reward all productive work. Not just productive work for the master.
 
If society wants to continue it should pay women more if they have children, not less.

It should reward all productive work. Not just productive work for the master.

In the current world, people having kids is far more a threat to society continuing than an asset.

If in a few thousand years, we find that people are not having enough kids to keep our society afloat, we can jump off that bridge when we come to it.
 
Can you expand on that?

Yeah, that seemed like a pretty good post.

But maybe you just dazzled me with bullshit. :hmm:

Well, I don't take any consistent ideological position on sexism or gender related issues, but argue about equally against liberals and conservatives.

So, its a good bet that I'm at least attempting to give a valid analysis of the presented "evidence", regardless of what position its used to support. I might be wrong, but its an honest wrong.

I just don't think that the analyses the OP presents supports the claim, and bad argument and misuse of data bothers me more than positions I disagree with. Sadly those who agree with my post here will attack the same in depth analysis against their own "evidence" as verbose and "anything but" excuse making, based on the conclusion they want supported rather than any valid critique of my argument.
 
If society wants to continue it should pay women more if they have children, not less.

It should reward all productive work. Not just productive work for the master.

In the current world, people having kids is far more a threat to society continuing than an asset.

If in a few thousand years, we find that people are not having enough kids to keep our society afloat, we can jump off that bridge when we come to it.

You need women to have children. It is an imperative.
 
It also said in the article that internal promotions between men and women is generally equal; however, men being offered higher positions with other companies is much more common than women being given the same opportunities. That said, internal promotions compared to external promotions statistically produce lower earnings.
So, here is why most "research" coming out of Schools of Business and Economics is such tripe.

They tend to be highly incompetent at thinking about complex causal models of human behavior and decision-making, leading them to simply throw in a bunch of "control variables" and presume that this is a more valid test of a causal hypothesis. Their naive faith in statistical modelling makes them blind to the theoretical assumptions that inherently underlie their interpretations and their choice in how to set up their statistical models.

Valid control variables are those that plausibly cause (even if indirectly) both the other key variables of interest (gender and compensation), but would not plausibly be a mediator or interact with the causality between the other variables.

For example, number of criminal assaults and ice cream eating are correlated. A valid control to test whether ice cream increases assaults is air temperature, because temperature can indirectly cause both things, but is not a plausible mechanism or context that determines when and how ice cream causes assault.

In contrast, age and experience are actually not something you can simply control for to test whether gender impacts salary and promotion.
Neither age nor experience cause gender, so they cannot be a third variable explanation, which is the main justification for controlling for a variable. Instead, gender could actually causally impact the average age and experience of people within a given company, and it can do so via sexism. Gender can trigger sexist mistreatment that over time leads to quitting, which would produce an average lower age and experience level among the women who remain. In addition, gender could causally interact with age such that the kind of sexism that leads to quitting is most targeted against older women and not the young (hot) women in a company. Thus, the older women quit more both because they mistreated more than young women or men of any age, and because as women gain job experience they also gain more and more sexist experiences that eventually lead to quitting.

Of the subset of women that are left, they are non-representative and could easily be the type of women who persists despite constant decades of sexism, including being so confident that their skills are much higher than their male supervisors that the sexism is not enough to deter them. Their added obstacle would mean they are more committed and competent than the males promoted around them who did not face this obstacle. Thus, explaining their higher pay. Yet, their success does nothing to diminish that they were targeted by sexism as were their female coworkers, many of whom dropped out just as many men would have had they faced such an obstacle.

Note that while this is speculation, so is every conclusion in the OP article. Correlational data, no matter how sophisticated the analysis means nothing without interpretation that is always speculating about the most plausible underlying causal relations that could explain the statistical results
My speculation seems to account for their results equally well, and is more psychologically plausible, taking into account how other data speaks to the likely way in which age, experience, and gender would relate to each other, if sexism did exist in the workplace.

These researchers are assuming that the only way the gender would impact age and experience is via non-sexist factors like desire to be a stay at home mom. Only if that untested assumption is true, is there approach valid. And there is evidence that it isn't true. Women quit due to sexist treatment, and that would make those still on the job at any timepoint younger and less experienced than people who don't quit due to sexism, men.
 
In the current world, people having kids is far more a threat to society continuing than an asset.

If in a few thousand years, we find that people are not having enough kids to keep our society afloat, we can jump off that bridge when we come to it.

You need women to have children. It is an imperative.

If most women did not have children, society would continue and be better off.
Societal continuation only needs a subset of women to have a single kid, or an even smaller subset to have multiple kids.
All evidence suggests that even with "punishments" for child bearing, too many women are having kids than is good for the future.
Thus, we sure as hell do not need or want to be giving women any kind of reward for child bearing.
 
It also said in the article that internal promotions between men and women is generally equal; however, men being offered higher positions with other companies is much more common than women being given the same opportunities. That said, internal promotions compared to external promotions statistically produce lower earnings.

Right. So, even after eliminating some of the mechanisms by which sexism might impact promotions (fed up women leaving after years of experience), they still found gender (and thus possibly sexism) effects on being hired for executive positions by other firms.
 
In the current world, people having kids is far more a threat to society continuing than an asset.

If in a few thousand years, we find that people are not having enough kids to keep our society afloat, we can jump off that bridge when we come to it.

You need women to have children. It is an imperative.

On the other hand, it may be that men are optional.
 
Wow. <<shakes head and sighs.>>

Can you expand on that?

Your post is poorly written and the reasoning is worse. There isn't a coherent argument to be found in the entire post. You fail to make your point altogether, assuming that your point is something other than you don't like Schools of Business and Economics. Even if we assume that is your intent, your argument fails.

This is not new from you. Instead of being a reasoned post pointing out weaknesses in the linked article, you seem to be airing an ill conceived and poorly reasoned personal grudge against economists. I don't know what your problem is, but if I were you, I would start with grammar and sentence construction and learning to write a coherent paragraph. It helps with reasoning and logic.
 
Can you expand on that?

Your post is poorly written and the reasoning is worse. There isn't a coherent argument to be found in the entire post. You fail to make your point altogether, assuming that your point is something other than you don't like Schools of Business and Economics. Even if we assume that is your intent, your argument fails.

This is not new from you. Instead of being a reasoned post pointing out weaknesses in the linked article, you seem to be airing an ill conceived and poorly reasoned personal grudge against economists. I don't know what your problem is, but if I were you, I would start with grammar and sentence construction and learning to write a coherent paragraph. It helps with reasoning and logic.

That should be grammar, sentence construction and learning to write a coherent paragraph. In simple series with three or more items, the comma should be used between all but the last two items.
 
Your post is poorly written and the reasoning is worse. There isn't a coherent argument to be found in the entire post. You fail to make your point altogether, assuming that your point is something other than you don't like Schools of Business and Economics. Even if we assume that is your intent, your argument fails.

This is not new from you. Instead of being a reasoned post pointing out weaknesses in the linked article, you seem to be airing an ill conceived and poorly reasoned personal grudge against economists. I don't know what your problem is, but if I were you, I would start with grammar and sentence construction and learning to write a coherent paragraph. It helps with reasoning and logic.

That should be grammar, sentence construction and learning to write a coherent paragraph. In simple series with three or more items, the comma should be used between all but the last two items.

And between each is acceptable.
 
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