Some Europeans No Longer Submitting to New Barbarian Hordes

[untermensche]

The deaths and instability would not have occured without the initial aggression. That's untermensche's point.

A much more proximate cause is the Iranian intervention.

Our invasion simply set up a situation in which they could intervene.

Why do you blame the US for leaving the door open rather than Iran for coming in the open door?

Even though this is insanity the only way Iran could do anything in Iraq is because US terrorism created a power vacuum.

Once again the US is the responsible party.

 

[ksen]

The deaths and instability would not have occured without the initial aggression. That's untermensche's point.

A much more proximate cause is the Iranian intervention.

Our invasion simply set up a situation in which they could intervene.

Why do you blame the US for leaving the door open rather than Iran for coming in the open door?

I don't only blame the US.

Why do you not give some of the blame to the US?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A much more proximate cause is the Iranian intervention.

Our invasion simply set up a situation in which they could intervene.

Why do you blame the US for leaving the door open rather than Iran for coming in the open door?

I don't only blame the US.

Why do you not give some of the blame to the US?

You're both acting like the primary cause is the US invasion.

I suppose you think burglars aren't guilty because homeowners didn't build bank vaults of houses.

 

[ksen]

I don't only blame the US.

Why do you not give some of the blame to the US?

You're both acting like the primary cause is the US invasion.

Because it is. No invasion, no Iranian intervention.

I suppose you think burglars aren't guilty because homeowners didn't build bank vaults of houses.

I suppose I think your analogies are stupid as fuck and never ever have any bearing on what's actually being discussed.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're both acting like the primary cause is the US invasion.

Because it is. No invasion, no Iranian intervention.

I suppose you think burglars aren't guilty because homeowners didn't build bank vaults of houses.

I suppose I think your analogies are stupid as fuck and never ever have any bearing on what's actually being discussed.

No Iranian intervention, no problems now.

Your blaming the lesser cause rather than the greater.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The deaths and instability would not have occured without the initial aggression. That's untermensche's point.

A much more proximate cause is the Iranian intervention.

Our invasion simply set up a situation in which they could intervene.

Why do you blame the US for leaving the door open rather than Iran for coming in the open door?

Because the US was at the door when Iran went in... and the US (W Admin) said no one came in... the media was overplaying the death and violence.

 

[untermensche]

Because it is. No invasion, no Iranian intervention.

I suppose you think burglars aren't guilty because homeowners didn't build bank vaults of houses.

I suppose I think your analogies are stupid as fuck and never ever have any bearing on what's actually being discussed.

No Iranian intervention, no problems now.

Your blaming the lesser cause rather than the greater.

This is complete fantasy.

The destruction of civil society, the terror induced in the population, was entirely the fault of the invasion.

It is by far the greater cause and the essential action leading to everything else and to where we are today.

To try to blame Iran for responding to a massive unprovoked invasion of a bordering nation, to keep the fighting from it's nation, in other words defensive measures, is lunacy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Because it is. No invasion, no Iranian intervention.

I suppose you think burglars aren't guilty because homeowners didn't build bank vaults of houses.

I suppose I think your analogies are stupid as fuck and never ever have any bearing on what's actually being discussed.

No Iranian intervention, no problems now.

Your blaming the lesser cause rather than the greater.

This is complete fantasy.

The destruction of civil society, the terror induced in the population, was entirely the fault of the invasion.

It is by far the greater cause and the essential action leading to everything else and to where we are today.

To try to blame Iran for responding to a massive unprovoked invasion of a bordering nation, to keep the fighting from it's nation, in other words defensive measures, is lunacy.

Iran was able to intervene because we removed the authority that kept a check on the Sunni/Shia violence. Civil society was not destroyed and there was nothing Iran needed to defend against. They just saw a chance to take over a neighbor.

 

[ksen]

Man, nobody should have seen that coming.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Because it is. No invasion, no Iranian intervention.

I suppose you think burglars aren't guilty because homeowners didn't build bank vaults of houses.

I suppose I think your analogies are stupid as fuck and never ever have any bearing on what's actually being discussed.

No Iranian intervention, no problems now.

Your blaming the lesser cause rather than the greater.

This is complete fantasy.

The destruction of civil society, the terror induced in the population, was entirely the fault of the invasion.

It is by far the greater cause and the essential action leading to everything else and to where we are today.

To try to blame Iran for responding to a massive unprovoked invasion of a bordering nation, to keep the fighting from it's nation, in other words defensive measures, is lunacy.

Iran was able to intervene because we removed the authority that kept a check on the Sunni/Shia violence. Civil society was not destroyed and there was nothing Iran needed to defend against. They just saw a chance to take over a neighbor.

Once the Sunni's were out of office courtesy of the US and the Shia now trying to run the remaing parts of Iraq, who better to invite in for tea than Iran.

 

[untermensche]

Because it is. No invasion, no Iranian intervention.

I suppose you think burglars aren't guilty because homeowners didn't build bank vaults of houses.

I suppose I think your analogies are stupid as fuck and never ever have any bearing on what's actually being discussed.

No Iranian intervention, no problems now.

Your blaming the lesser cause rather than the greater.

This is complete fantasy.

The destruction of civil society, the terror induced in the population, was entirely the fault of the invasion.

It is by far the greater cause and the essential action leading to everything else and to where we are today.

To try to blame Iran for responding to a massive unprovoked invasion of a bordering nation, to keep the fighting from it's nation, in other words defensive measures, is lunacy.

Iran was able to intervene because we removed the authority that kept a check on the Sunni/Shia violence. Civil society was not destroyed and there was nothing Iran needed to defend against. They just saw a chance to take over a neighbor.

The police and the army were disbanded.

Services like water and electricity ended.

Looting and sectarian violence ensued.

Civil society was DESTROYED.

An act of massive terrorism that can in no way be justified.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Man, nobody should have seen that coming.

Yeah, Bush should have seen what would happen.

What do you expect when you leave the door unlocked in a bad neighborhood?

That doesn't change who the bad guy is, though.

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The police and the army were disbanded.

Services like water and electricity ended.

Looting and sectarian violence ensued.

Civil society was DESTROYED.

An act of massive terrorism that can in no way be justified.

Army I will agree with. Police?

And I really disagree on water and electricity being ended. You can't tell the difference between what happened due to the Sunni/Shia fight and what we did.

 

[untermensche]

The police and the army were disbanded.

Services like water and electricity ended.

Looting and sectarian violence ensued.

Civil society was DESTROYED.

An act of massive terrorism that can in no way be justified.

Army I will agree with. Police?

And I really disagree on water and electricity being ended. You can't tell the difference between what happened due to the Sunni/Shia fight and what we did.

Once again you think your prejudices and delusions amount to evidence.

Mistake 5 – Disbanding the Police

http://usmistakes.blogspot.com/2004/05/mistake-5-disbanding-police.html

How Disbanding the Iraqi Army Fueled ISIS

http://time.com/3900753/isis-iraq-syria-army-united-states-military/

 

[whichphilosophy]

Yeah, Bush should have seen what would happen.

What do you expect when you leave the door unlocked in a bad neighborhood?

That doesn't change who the bad guy is, though.

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The police and the army were disbanded.

Services like water and electricity ended.

Looting and sectarian violence ensued.

Civil society was DESTROYED.

An act of massive terrorism that can in no way be justified.

Army I will agree with. Police?

And I really disagree on water and electricity being ended. You can't tell the difference between what happened due to the Sunni/Shia fight and what we did.

Under Saddam a pre requisite for being an government employee was joining the Ba'ath Party. Under the allies all members of the Ba'ath party were fired from government jobs. Thus services such as water and electricity collapsed for a while without any shots being fired