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If she had gunned down the officer as he entered her closet, I wouldn't spite her for it. It'd suck to be the police officer more in that situation than it sucked to be her. That's about all that would change. Self defense. Of course the result of that would be her being shot by another officer, also in a very shitty situation with no 'good' answers beyond 'the war on drugs is stupid and it should end'.

Your point however, drives my own declaration that it was nobody's fault: she very well could have had a gun, and the cop wasn't ready take the risk of having a shittier day. He has to live with having shot someone who didn't strictly need shooting. I actually feel bad for him. Feeling bad for the corpse, however, is a moot point. The solution is to oppose the drug war and lower the prevalence of botched drug raids.
 
Well someone got the address wrong. So let's blame him.

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ksen said:
Well someone got the address wrong. So let's blame him.

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A certain number of addresses will always be gotten wrong. Does the guy have a record of getting things wrong? Is there a motive for him getting this particular one wrong? It should be understood that the absolute per capita of wrong-address shitstorms can only be reduced by reducing the situations where the society insists officers intervene, and reducing the need for for overwhelming force.

We can, if this one is worse than the average, reduce total mistakes made, or at least possibly reduce it. But if he is lower than average and he just jut his probability of fuckup this time, then replacing him is most likely to increase the possibility of shitstorm.
 
Yes, yes, I see.

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To springboard off the 1%, if it bleeds it leads, media mentality- I'd be curious to hear from those across the pond or Australia if the reporting of police abuse is as rampant as it is here in The 'Murica.
 
seyorni said:
I often get the impression that the job self-selects for authoritarian personalities with poor impulse control, and that this is further encouraged by the work culture.
I think better psych screenings for police academy admission might be a good idea.
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I had a guy in one of my medical classes that started out in criminal justice. He wanted to be a cop. When asked why he switched his major, he said that almost all the people in the CJ class with him were the jerks, dweebs and dickhead types he knew from high school and were there because they wanted to kick some ass. He came to the conclusion that he couldn't stand the idea of having to spend 8 hours a day sitting next to one of these guys it would have been unbearable.
 
Jarhyn said:
Perhaps all you guys see is the abusive police, the ones who attack people, because that's all the news outlets ever show. Nobody seems to see the cops who help the guy whose tire is falling off get home, or the officer that pulls the guy out of a mangled wreck, the officer who takes the kids away from an abusive parent, or the officer that investigates homicides, rapes, and racketeering to the best of their ability. Nobody sees the cop who turns a blind eye to some harmless 20-somethings smoking weed, or the officer that tells the guy growing a plant that the next time he comes by the thing needs to be gone, or else he'll HAVE to do something. Nobody sees the cop who arrests the sorry son of a bitch who beats his wife, before the bastard can kill her.
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There was a time, but no more.

My wife was driving down Interstate 10, just past Blythe on the way to Los Angeles. And there was a huge traffic jam, with traffic standing still and backed up for miles. Her engine was overheating, and she was driving with a kid in the back seat. With few options (the nearest exit was over a mile away, and that would have taken over half an our) she simply pulled over to the curb, stopped her engine, popped the hood, and sat there waiting for the car to cool down.

After several minutes a cop pulled up. His version of "helping to change a tire" was to tell her she wasn't allowed to park there, to get back into traffic.

I have a criterion for a good cop. It is more than just a cop that does not break the law. It is a cop that arrests the criminal cops. If there are ten cops present, and one of them commits a random assault for no reason and then arrests the victim for resisting arrest, AND the other nine cops do nothing, then the other nine cops are also bad cops. So far there are damn few good cops in this country. It's not "awful 1%", it's the "awful 99%" that are giving the rest a bad name. As soon as I see officers policing themselves then I'll start giving the police more slack and giving them a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. Until then I assume the worst and am seldom surprised.
 
Jarhyn said:
ksen said:
Well someone got the address wrong. So let's blame him.

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A certain number of addresses will always be gotten wrong. Does the guy have a record of getting things wrong? Is there a motive for him getting this particular one wrong? It should be understood that the absolute per capita of wrong-address shitstorms can only be reduced by reducing the situations where the society insists officers intervene, and reducing the need for for overwhelming force.

We can, if this one is worse than the average, reduce total mistakes made, or at least possibly reduce it. But if he is lower than average and he just jut his probability of fuckup this time, then replacing him is most likely to increase the possibility of shitstorm.
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Actually, I think there's another answer.

I think the tech is available to make robots to lead the assault. They would carry cameras and perhaps tasers. There would be none of this surprised-officer-thinks-he's-in-danger bit. The only case I think they should actually have humans on the front line is hostage rescue because of the risk of losing the hostage.
 
Celldweller said:
To springboard off the 1%, if it bleeds it leads, media mentality- I'd be curious to hear from those across the pond or Australia if the reporting of police abuse is as rampant as it is here in The 'Murica.
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We sometimes hear about it, but not really on the media. Occasionally something will come up on Facebook, but not often. I don't know if that means it doesn't happen or what.

On FB I do subscribe to the QPS pages (Queensland Police Service), and we see stories of Police officers being stood down for immoral or illegal actions than we do for abuse. The Police here do have high standards of behaviour required of all their officers, and I am not saying the American's dont, however, here, an officer will be stood down for acting inappropriately, even in his private life.
 
gmbteach said:
Celldweller said:
To springboard off the 1%, if it bleeds it leads, media mentality- I'd be curious to hear from those across the pond or Australia if the reporting of police abuse is as rampant as it is here in The 'Murica.
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We sometimes hear about it, but not really on the media. Occasionally something will come up on Facebook, but not often. I don't know if that means it doesn't happen or what.

On FB I do subscribe to the QPS pages (Queensland Police Service), and we see stories of Police officers being stood down for immoral or illegal actions than we do for abuse. The Police here do have high standards of behaviour required of all their officers, and I am not saying the American's dont, however, here, an officer will be stood down for acting inappropriately, even in his private life.
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Out of curiosity, what are Aussie policemen paid?
 
ZiprHead said:
gmbteach said:
Celldweller said:
To springboard off the 1%, if it bleeds it leads, media mentality- I'd be curious to hear from those across the pond or Australia if the reporting of police abuse is as rampant as it is here in The 'Murica.
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We sometimes hear about it, but not really on the media. Occasionally something will come up on Facebook, but not often. I don't know if that means it doesn't happen or what.

On FB I do subscribe to the QPS pages (Queensland Police Service), and we see stories of Police officers being stood down for immoral or illegal actions than we do for abuse. The Police here do have high standards of behaviour required of all their officers, and I am not saying the American's dont, however, here, an officer will be stood down for acting inappropriately, even in his private life.
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Out of curiosity, what are Aussie policemen paid?
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Well, I would assume money. :p

TBH, I don't know.
 
No. It was nobody's fault, except Dog's. But there Is no god. So it is t anyone's fault but an unfair natural evil that people happen to be imperfect. Shame on the judge or paralegal for being human.
 
As a casualty claims adjuster I spent a significant portion of a 40 year career handling police claims.

Money from heaven.

My Favortie story is the end of a car chase where the suspect is in cuffs and a cop runs up and starts hitting him.

The camera drops but the mike is still on when off camera some one says, "you have to wait until the TV people leave before we can do that".

Signs I have seen in the back room of police departments:

"You have the right to remain silent until the pain becomes unbearable."

"It takes a good prosecutor to convict the guilty
It takes an excellent prosecutor to convict the innocent."

based on my experience it is my recommendation that no one should ever talk to the cops about anything more important than a traffic ticket with out a lawyer.

Don't Talk to the cops
 
Video shows Albuquerque police killing homeless man

James Boyd, a mentally disturbed man who friends say was attempting to camp out in the foothills above Albuquerque one night in March because city homeless shelters had closed, was holding two small camping knives. Officers negotiated with him for five hours, eventually winning agreement from Boyd to leave the makeshift -- and illegal -- campsite.

Then a police stun grenade went off, Boyd, 38, turned his back and three shots were fired.

Police video shows Boyd on his stomach on the ground, wheezing for breath as officers sic a dog on his legs and fire bean bag rounds at him.

He was already mortally wounded. An autopsy on Boyd found he was shot in the back. The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide.
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ksen said:
I'd like to know what the other officers on the scene were doing when Officer Bolger slit Nala's throat? Were they just standing around watching him do it?
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The other officer was holding the dog. He's been suspended without pay while the investigation continues. The officer who killed the dog has been charged with a felony.
 
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