First Came Brexit, Now Comes Texit

[Keith&Co.]

Letting Texas go would create yet another failed state with religious fundamentalists in charge and nukes. No, thank you.

What nukes does Texas own?

 

[RavenSky]

That would be the best irony

But I do think we would need to arrange for those who vote no to "Texit" should be allowed to leave with their US citizenship in tact.

Tact - Diplomacy; Advising someone of something in such a way as to allow them to save face. "Pointing out her error shows a lack of tact".

Intact - Whole; Not broken or split apart. "Those who vote no should be allowed to leave with their US citizenship intact".

In tact - (poss. archaic) Tactfully; With a modicum of tact. "He could have let her error pass without comment, and, in tact, he should have".

iPhone and Android auto-correct = gifts from the gods to those who feel compelled to note every typo

 

[Keith&Co.]

to note every typo

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[RavenSky]

to note every typo

"typo. "

 

[dismal]

Letting Texas go would create yet another failed state with religious fundamentalists in charge and nukes. No, thank you.

What nukes does Texas own?

Texas is not currently a country so it doesn't own any.

It does have a large amount of uranium, however.

The state moved from fourth to third in proved reserves in 1975. In the 1980s uranium ranked second in value among the metallic minerals mined in Texas, and Texas ranked fifth among the states in output. A number of uranium deposits were discovered within a belt of strata extending 250 miles from the middle Coastal Plain southwestward to the Rio Grande, but decreased demand and price of uranium after 1980 brought a sharp decline in Texas operations. In 1984 uranium reserves and resources were estimated at 310,000 short tons, or 620 million pounds, of which 50,000 tons were judged as measured reserves, 75,000 tons were inferred reserves, and 185,000 tons were undiscovered. Production of uranium concentrate was about 5.4 million pounds annually. Uranium Resources Incorporated, Dallas, which marketed its uranium production to electric utilities, began production at its Rosita Mine, planned to become one of the world's lowest cost uranium mines, late in 1990.

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/dku01

 

[bilby]

What nukes does Texas own?

Texas is not currently a country so it doesn't own any.

It does have a large amount of uranium, however.

The state moved from fourth to third in proved reserves in 1975. In the 1980s uranium ranked second in value among the metallic minerals mined in Texas, and Texas ranked fifth among the states in output. A number of uranium deposits were discovered within a belt of strata extending 250 miles from the middle Coastal Plain southwestward to the Rio Grande, but decreased demand and price of uranium after 1980 brought a sharp decline in Texas operations. In 1984 uranium reserves and resources were estimated at 310,000 short tons, or 620 million pounds, of which 50,000 tons were judged as measured reserves, 75,000 tons were inferred reserves, and 185,000 tons were undiscovered. Production of uranium concentrate was about 5.4 million pounds annually. Uranium Resources Incorporated, Dallas, which marketed its uranium production to electric utilities, began production at its Rosita Mine, planned to become one of the world's lowest cost uranium mines, late in 1990.

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/dku01

Uranium reserves are nuclear weapons in the same way that a cesspit is a stock of gunpowder. Except that it is MUCH easier to make gunpowder from cesspits than it is to make nuclear weapons from uranium ore.

 

[dismal]

Texas is not currently a country so it doesn't own any.

It does have a large amount of uranium, however.

The state moved from fourth to third in proved reserves in 1975. In the 1980s uranium ranked second in value among the metallic minerals mined in Texas, and Texas ranked fifth among the states in output. A number of uranium deposits were discovered within a belt of strata extending 250 miles from the middle Coastal Plain southwestward to the Rio Grande, but decreased demand and price of uranium after 1980 brought a sharp decline in Texas operations. In 1984 uranium reserves and resources were estimated at 310,000 short tons, or 620 million pounds, of which 50,000 tons were judged as measured reserves, 75,000 tons were inferred reserves, and 185,000 tons were undiscovered. Production of uranium concentrate was about 5.4 million pounds annually. Uranium Resources Incorporated, Dallas, which marketed its uranium production to electric utilities, began production at its Rosita Mine, planned to become one of the world's lowest cost uranium mines, late in 1990.

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/dku01

Uranium reserves are nuclear weapons in the same way that a cesspit is a stock of gunpowder. Except that it is MUCH easier to make gunpowder from cesspits than it is to make nuclear weapons from uranium ore.

"Harder" sure. Difficult, not particularly. People did it with 1940s technology. The frickin North Koreans can do it.

 

[Keith&Co.]

"Harder" sure. Difficult, not particularly. People did it with 1940s technology. The frickin North Koreans can do it.

What are you going to do it with, though?
Pantex only assembles bombs and is Department of Energy. They're going to put that on a truck and move it, probably to New Mexico or Nevada.

Assuming some people with know-how will stay in Texas while their job moves to the United States, Texas will have to bootstrap an entire industry of processing uranium into fissile material, then building bomb parts, assembling bombs, building the delivery systems...
Are they going to want to invest that kind of money into creating the industry?

 

[dismal]

"Harder" sure. Difficult, not particularly. People did it with 1940s technology. The frickin North Koreans can do it.

What are you going to do it with, though?
Pantex only assembles bombs and is Department of Energy. They're going to put that on a truck and move it, probably to New Mexico or Nevada.

Assuming some people with know-how will stay in Texas while their job moves to the United States, Texas will have to bootstrap an entire industry of processing uranium into fissile material, then building bomb parts, assembling bombs, building the delivery systems...
Are they going to want to invest that kind of money into creating the industry?

The trick is to get the US government to pay you to stop building nukes. Then you take the money and use it to build the nukes.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The trick is to get the US government to pay you to stop building nukes. Then you take the money and use it to build the nukes.

or the US takes away their uranium mill and the weapon plant and when you say you're going to make nukes they pat you on the head and say, "that's nice."

 

[dismal]

The trick is to get the US government to pay you to stop building nukes. Then you take the money and use it to build the nukes.

or the US takes away their uranium mill and the weapon plant and when you say you're going to make nukes they pat you on the head and say, "that's nice."

What planet have you been living on?

 

[Keith&Co.]

or the US takes away their uranium mill and the weapon plant and when you say you're going to make nukes they pat you on the head and say, "that's nice."

What planet have you been living on?

This one.

All the nuclear power/nuclear weapon generation facilities in Texas are federally owned, have been for a while. If Texas leaves, the Govt pulls out, Texas will be unlikely to have been spending years trying to develop their own, secret, independent nuclear program.

Y'all will need to put a whole lot of time, effort and money into becoming a credible threat, first. Then threaten to become a threat.

 

[dismal]

What planet have you been living on?

This one.

All the nuclear power/nuclear weapon generation facilities in Texas are federally owned, have been for a while. If Texas leaves, the Govt pulls out, Texas will be unlikely to have been spending years trying to develop their own, secret, independent nuclear program.

Y'all will need to put a whole lot of time, effort and money into becoming a credible threat, first. Then threaten to become a threat.

Building a nuke was done in about 4 years despite using 1940s technology and actually having to figure out how to do it.

 

[Keith&Co.]

This one.

All the nuclear power/nuclear weapon generation facilities in Texas are federally owned, have been for a while. If Texas leaves, the Govt pulls out, Texas will be unlikely to have been spending years trying to develop their own, secret, independent nuclear program.

Y'all will need to put a whole lot of time, effort and money into becoming a credible threat, first. Then threaten to become a threat.

Building a nuke was done in about 4 years despite using 1940s technology and actually having to figure out how to do it.

Yeah, I know. I've seen the SWOPs on that stuff.

But still, how threatening are THOSE nukes today? As opposed to what could be used in retaliation against Texas if they bombed someone?

 

[dismal]

Building a nuke was done in about 4 years despite using 1940s technology and actually having to figure out how to do it.

Yeah, I know. I've seen the SWOPs on that stuff.

But still, how threatening are THOSE nukes today? As opposed to what could be used in retaliation against Texas if they bombed someone?

I'm reasonably confident Texas could come up with something at least as threatening as Iran's or North Korea's. The Texas economy is about 5x the size of Iran's and about 1000X North Korea's. Texas has better educated people, large amounts of uranium mining, and multiple active nuclear power plants.

And the point is not to bomb someone, it's to get paid not to.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Ya, Texas has lots of universities and government and military facilities. It wouldn't take them very long to weaponize any uranium they can find.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The Texas economy is about 5x the size of Iran's and about 1000X North Korea's.

You're real confident that's going to be the same economy after all government funding pulls out and all companies that want to remain US companies do, too. I don't think that's dependable.

Texas has better educated people, large amounts of uranium mining, and multiple active nuclear power plants.

All the uranium in those plants belongs to the DOE, too. Not sure how much of the equipment is going to be left operational after the feds leave.

 

[dismal]

You're real confident that's going to be the same economy after all government funding pulls out and all companies that want to remain US companies do, too. I don't think that's dependable.

Texas has better educated people, large amounts of uranium mining, and multiple active nuclear power plants.

All the uranium in those plants belongs to the DOE, too. Not sure how much of the equipment is going to be left operational after the feds leave.

Other countries manage to have economies without the US government running everything so, yes, I imagine it's possible. Texas is not particularly high in federal spending received nor particularly low in federal taxes paid.

And I think we can manage to keep the oil and uranium bubbling up from the ground without help from the federal government.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

You're real confident that's going to be the same economy after all government funding pulls out and all companies that want to remain US companies do, too. I don't think that's dependable.All the uranium in those plants belongs to the DOE, too. Not sure how much of the equipment is going to be left operational after the feds leave.

Other countries manage to have economies without the US government running everything so, yes, I imagine it's possible. Texas is not particularly high in federal spending received nor particularly low in federal taxes paid.

And I think we can manage to keep the oil and uranium bubbling up from the ground without help from the federal government.

If your uranium is bubbling up from the ground, you have bigger problems than your tax rates.

 

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