Two Dallas Police Officers Shot After Downtown Rally

[Jimmy Higgins]

white people in the US marginalize black people socially and economically, cast them in the role of the suspicious outsider culturally, blame them (collectively) for a situation which is entirely the fault of whites, and then wonder why some of them are drawn to the allure of powerful and culturally distinct images and ideas about black identity.

seriously, could you be any more fucking dense?

You forgot to mention seasonally poisoning urban kids with lead (dust inhalation)... still found in the paint of their homes.

 

[J842P]

Sounds about right...

And marginalized redneck whites flock to the allure of Trump...

Why do they flock to Trump and the Republicans though, who are largely responsible for the marginalization of the poor, whether white or black?

Wouldn't poor whites have more in common with poor blacks than they do with the billionaire Trump and the political party that works only for the rich?

It seems to be counterintuitive. But this is why racism has lasted for so long, because it is used by the powerful to divide the poor.

Because Democrats and the liberal left jump at any chance to denigrate poor whites. When they understandably complain about immigration, something from which they derive all the costs and none of the benefits, the yuppie liberals will immediately make fun of them as rednecks and hillbillies, tell they they are racists and don't know what's good for them since they probably didn't go to college anyway. On this very board I have often had to call out these so-called liberals for denigrating "rednecks." Is it any wonder that they like politician who don't treat them as trash?

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Riiiight. No political goal here, no sirree-bob.

What? Was the shooter trying to rid the nation of white people? The shooting was in retaliation of shootings of blacks by cops. If anything, this is a revenge mass killing.

Yup. Not political at all.

 

[RavenSky]

Exactly how do they confirm that?

They were negotiating with him to try to get him to surrender.

Video of shooter-NSFW

the video is of the sniper killing the police officer.

where is the video/source of your statement that "Dallas police confirm it was a BLM sympathizer."

 

[Derec]

Wouldn't poor whites have more in common with poor blacks

Given all the race based policies (like affirmative action in college admissions and government hiring) poor whites feel disenfranchised by largely race-based policies Democrats are pushing. Also mass immigration (that Democrats are also pushing because they want the votes of those mass migrants) depressed wages.

than they do with the billionaire Trump and the political party that works only for the rich?

To be honest, looking from the bottom of the "net worth" pile, is there that big a difference between billionaire like Trump and almost billionaire like Hillary? And she does the "common person" shtick much more transparently than Trump.

 

[Derec]

Killers facebook:

We wuz Kangz groups
BlackLivesMatter groups
Militant Black groups

I think I can see why Facebook tried deleting it.

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Speaking of which: this attempt by black Americans (who are largely descended from Western Africans) to claim to belong to ancient Egyptian culture (in the northeastern corner of the continent) is an actual example of cultural appropriation. It is not that they embrace that culture because they like it (that would be fine) but they want to pretend they actually descended from them. That's similar to how everybody who claims to "remember" past lives has been somebody notable.

 

[RavenSky]

Terrorists are people who kill with a political goal. Words have meaning. Calling this guy a mass murderer is certainly good enough.

You don't think there is a political goal here?

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"He said he was upset about Black Lives Matter [protest movement]; he said he was upset about the recent police shootings," Mr Brown told a news conference.

"The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated that he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers."

Mr Brown added that the man had said he was not affiliated with any groups and he acted alone. However, police have said they believe that more than one gunman was involved.

What does it mean 'he was upset about BLM?" Not upset 'for' buy upset 'about'.
Weird choice of words.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36745862

I agree it is a weird choice of words, but it is also not a direct quote. I think the more important information is "that the man had said he was not affiliated with any groups and he acted alone". Derec can't blame #BLM when the shooter says he acted alone.

 

[Derec]

What was particularly chilling, if true, was the story relayed on NPR about a convenience store where the window was destroyed by a sniper bullet. Some people started looting alcohol. A couple dozen cops went in and circled the store to prevent any more looting. Those around them, allegedly started mocking the officers and the officers that were killed.

Almost like they wanted a war between themselves and the cops. They wanted blood. They as in the alleged people making with these actions, not they as in an entire race of people.

Black Lives Matter movement is inherently anti-cop.

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I agree it is a weird choice of words, but it is also not a direct quote. I think the more important information is "that the man had said he was not affiliated with any groups and he acted alone". Derec can't blame #BLM when the shooter says he acted alone.

Except that his Facebook page shows that he followed #BLM and other militant black groups.

 

[Derec]

I agree. There is no direction in shooting.

Shooting is all about direction. You are confusing it with explosives.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Given all the race based policies (like affirmative action in college admissions and government hiring) poor whites feel disenfranchised by largely race-based policies Democrats are pushing.

How are poor white people affected badly by minimum wage, access to health care, public schooling? Or is government hiring and affirmative action the only thing that matters?

Also mass immigration (that Democrats are also pushing because they want the votes of those mass migrants) depressed wages.

The hoards! The hoards!

than they do with the billionaire Trump and the political party that works only for the rich?

To be honest, looking from the bottom of the "net worth" pile, is there that big a difference between billionaire like Trump and almost billionaire like Hillary? And she does the "common person" shtick much more transparently than Trump.

It is honestly impossible to tell what Trump will want to do seeing his policy moods have been all over the place. People complain about Clinton and her taking positions, Trump's policies have almost no static shape to them. Is there anything he hasn't flipped on, other than Trump = Great!?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Black Lives Matter movement is inherently anti-cop.

You broad brushing is absurd. Yes, some black people don't like cops. Big surprise. A bunch of white people don't like them either.

I agree it is a weird choice of words, but it is also not a direct quote. I think the more important information is "that the man had said he was not affiliated with any groups and he acted alone". Derec can't blame #BLM when the shooter says he acted alone.

Except that his Facebook page shows that he followed #BLM and other militant black groups.

"...and other militant black groups".

 

[Horatio Parker]

Sounds about right...

And marginalized redneck whites flock to the allure of Trump...

Why do they flock to Trump and the Republicans though, who are largely responsible for the marginalization of the poor, whether white or black?

Wouldn't poor whites have more in common with poor blacks than they do with the billionaire Trump and the political party that works only for the rich?

It seems to be counterintuitive. But this is why racism has lasted for so long, because it is used by the powerful to divide the poor.

Traditionally, Republicans have been the law and order party. And many white L&O types don't believe it's racist to consider AAs as inferior, or at least hopelessly criminal.

 

[Derec]

you simply can't oppress a specific group for this long without some sort of backlash happening.

This idea that blacks are still "oppressed" is nonsense.

and while the oppression not being public or from a specific source, and the oppressed being dispersed and not individually focused has made it a long slow burn that took a while to rise to the level of random violence, it has always been inevitable that this was going to happen.

This "oppression" has taken the form of ideology among militant blacks. It has no basis in reality. After all

If you have a group that commits disproportionate number of crimes (5-6 times as many homicides for example) then that group will be disproportionately targeted by any unbiased police force. The number of black people is actually far less disproportionate than the number of black murderers. Black people oppressed? Hardly! But they can still make a lot of hay out of claiming they are.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

My local Toronto news station's coverage of this included some comments from Toronto BLM which were pretty funny. They were all confused and dismayed at how the Toronto community "don't understand them" and "paint them in a negative light".... this coming after they held up that gay pride parade. You reap what you sew, idiots.

 

[Derec]

And many white L&O types don't believe it's racist to consider AAs as inferior, or at least hopelessly criminal.

Neither "inferior" nor "hopelessly criminal", but crime statistics are pretty clear about how things stand currently. And that will not change as long as the black community blames whites, police, capitalism ("how he gonna get his money") etc. instead of looking inward.

 

[Derec]

Actually, from what I've read, he was upset at #BLM. I would presume because #BLM didn't burn scorch the Earth.

I do not interpret what he said that way at all. I think he was mad about the idea behind #BLM (police shooting blacks), not at them.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

My local Toronto news station's coverage of this included some comments from Toronto BLM which were pretty funny. They were all confused and dismayed at how the Toronto community "don't understand them" and "paint them in a negative light".... this coming after they held up that gay pride parade. You reap what you sew, idiots.

Ya, it's really been a bad couple of weeks for BLM. First they try to extort money from the gays in the name of minority rights and now they find out that somebody thought all their talk about killing the cops and whitey meant that they should kill the cops and whitey.

Maybe they should try rebranding themselves like Philip Morris.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

But this is why racism has lasted for so long, because it is used by the powerful to divide the poor.

And by people to divide themselves. You think there are no black people who hate all white people because of racism and criminal actions towards black people? You think the same doesn't happen the other way around, with redneck white people hating all black people because of racism and criminal actions by black people to white people? It is a cycle that can only be broken by stopping the pushing of identity politics. Only when black people and white people stand together without whining about one or the other can we have actual progress in this. BLM doesn't help. They PUSH the divide; they don't seek to narrow it or blur it away.

 

[ZiprHead]

They were negotiating with him to try to get him to surrender.

Video of shooter-NSFW

the video is of the sniper killing the police officer.

where is the video/source of your statement that "Dallas police confirm it was a BLM sympathizer."

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I included the video for people to view, not as a response to whether or not Johnson was a BLM sympathizer.

I watched the police chief on CNN say he was a sympathizer. I tried to watch it again on cnn.com but for some reason I can't get cnn videos to run. Maybe I'll try it again with adblock turned off.

Shutting off adblock did it, however the clip on cnn was only a small portion of the chiefs statement.

 

[prideandfall]

white people in the US marginalize black people socially and economically, cast them in the role of the suspicious outsider culturally, blame them (collectively) for a situation which is entirely the fault of whites, and then wonder why some of them are drawn to the allure of powerful and culturally distinct images and ideas about black identity.

And yet in the same statement you are collectively blaming white people. There's too much of this collective shit going on. None of this killing is going to stop until that stops.

because that is the nature of human psychology - if you have a particular type of encounter with a specific entity enough times, you will come to have a knee-jerk reaction to that entity.
whether it's a fear of dogs, an inexplicable fondness for the silly antics of gay people, a fetish for hot asian women, or viewing white people as a faceless sea of oppressive forces.

hiding behind a sense of shocked indignation over this reality is pointless and cowardly.

 

[prideandfall]

This idea that blacks are still "oppressed" is nonsense.

no it isn't.

It has no basis in reality.

yes it does.

After all

wow are you seriously going with the "well one black guy got something, so all the blacks are equal now" argument?
... wait i don't even know why i put a question mark on that, of course you are, it's you.

If you have a group that commits disproportionate number of crimes (5-6 times as many homicides for example) then that group will be disproportionately targeted by any unbiased police force. The number of black people is actually far less disproportionate than the number of black murderers. Black people oppressed? Hardly! But they can still make a lot of hay out of claiming they are.

i would explain to you how being economically disadvantaged on an institutional level leads to social and cultural binding within a poverty cycle that traps people into a way of life that they have no realistically viable way of getting out of as a group and how this situation, which was caused wholly by governmental policy and cultural enforcement done entirely by white people, is what causes the disproportionate crime rate... but it's you, so that would be a monumental waste of effort.

oh and before you inevitably cry like a little bitch about how "i'm just attacking you" in this post so you have a convenient excuse to cop out of having to confront anything i said, i'm not attacking you - i'm simply acknowledging your posting history and acting according to the persona that you present to this forum.
if you don't want to be casually dismissed as an ignorant racist fucktard, stop acting like an ignorant racist fucktard.