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Good article that best describes my political philosophy - summarizes the main points of the philosophy, which I pretty much agree with wholeheartedly.

‘Neoliberal’ is a term of abuse used by some people to attack fans of the free market. It is usually badly defined and other people’s attempts to define it have ended up being confused or confusing. Ben’s definition is the best I’ve read, because it describes a group who are distinct from libertarians and who lack a good descriptive term already.

This post is an attempt to trash Ben’s good work and reappropriate the term for my own purposes. A lot of what Ben says still applies, but a lot doesn’t too.

There is a emerging and growing group of people, particularly coming out of the libertarian movement, that lacks a useful descriptive term. These are people who are libertarianish — but they are fundamentally different to the mainstream libertarian movement when it comes to important values and approaches, and frankly lots of libertarians hate them for being, in their eyes, too statist or leftist.

I am one of them, and perhaps you are too. Many of our left-wing opponents would describe us as neoliberal to slander us. I suggest we follow the Suffragettes and wear this label with pride.

So who are “we”? Here are a few common beliefs that I think “we” have in common. I’m not claiming that these beliefs are exclusive to us, of course.

1. We like markets — a lot. We think that markets are by far the best way of organising most human affairs that involve scarce resources, because they align people’s incentives in ways that communicate where resources can be be used most efficiently, and give people reasons to come up with new ways of using existing resources. This means that markets and market-like systems are desirable in many, many places they’re not present at the moment — healthcare, education, environmental policy, organ allocations, traffic congestion, land-use planning.

2. We are liberal consequentialists. A system is justified if it is the one that best allows people to live the lives that they want to live, or makes them happiest or more satisfied than any other. There are no inherent rights that override this. People’s wellbeing is all that matters, and generally individuals are best at defining what is best for themselves.

3. We care about the poor. Caring about people’s wellbeing leads us to caring about the worst off people. Usually an extra £100 makes a pauper better off than it makes a millionaire. This diminishing marginal utility means that poor people’s lives are the easiest to improve for a given amount of time, energy and money.

4. We care about the welfare of everyone in the world, not just those in the UK. It’s natural to feel more in common with people who live near you and live like you, just as it’s natural to care much more about your family than about strangers. But when it comes to policy, we care about improving everyone’s lives, wherever they are. That’s one reason we tend to be quite pro-immigration — not just because it’s good for natives here, but because it’s so good for the migrants themselves.

5. We base our beliefs on empirics, not principles. There is an unlimited number of stories that you can tell about the world, but only a few are true. You find out which are true by comparing the stories to reality with experiments and throwing away the ones that don’t fit. It doesn’t matter if a theory appears to be internally coherent — if it can’t stand up to experimentation, it’s wrong. In particular, quantitative empirical research is what we look for.

6. We try not to be dogmatic. Testing your beliefs against the world requires you to be prepared to throw out the ones that are wrong, even though it’s often painful to do so. This means that we have to be willing to change our minds, contradict our friends, forsake our heroes, and be unpopular with fellow-travellers who think that they’re obviously right. One way to deal with the emotional costs of this is to internalise the virtue of open-mindedness so that changing your mind makes you feel just as good as being ideologically consistent once did.

7. We think the world is getting better. And, really, it is: pro-market ideas have taken hold nearly everywhere, raising living standards by an extraordinary amount for a huge number of people. The centre-ground consensus in nearly every developed economy is extremely pro-market and liberal compared to where it was fifty years ago, and although they are often less pro-market than they were one hundred years ago that is offset by major advances in the rights of women and non-whites.

8. We believe that property rights are very important. Predictable and formalised ownership of scarce resources is extremely important. It allows people to make long-term plans for the future, which incentivises improvement of their own circumstances. Overriding property rights capriciously undermines the incentive people have to hold off from consuming and invest in their futures instead, because they will be unsure about whether they’ll actually get to enjoy the returns of that investment. This is extremely important in the developing world, where weak or nonexistent property rights preclude capital accumulation and growth.

9. But we’re comfortable with redistribution, in principle. Because we’re consequentialists we don’t think that property rights are morally significant in and of themselves — they’re a useful rule that allows the economy to function properly but there is no intrinsic value to them. People don’t really deserve the talents they’re born with any more than they deserve to have been born in a rich country rather than a poor one, or to be born in 1996 rather than 1896. Because of this, redistributing wealth or income from lucky people to unlucky people may be justifiable, if it’s done without depressing economic growth too much. Too much redistribution can have bad consequences because taxes tend to depress investment and growth, but too little redistribution has bad consequences too — poor people don’t live good enough lives. A neoliberal is someone who believes that markets are astonishingly good at creating wealth, but not always good at distributing wealth.

I’ve noticed that most, if not all, the above statements are true of many people I hang around with and consider my closest intellectual bedfellows. I also suspect a weak version of most of them is held to by many people who consider themselves centrists, and that a very weak version of this might be the basic ideology that underpins the modern world.

https://medium.com/@s8mb/im-a-neoliberal-maybe-you-are-too-b809a2a588d6#.a11nsuhc5
 
Caring about the poor and working people means creating a system where workers have more control in the workplace, with strong unions or outright worker ownership, and where there are more social services for the poor.

Anything less than this is empty self-serving lip service.
 
Good article that best describes my political philosophy - summarizes the main points of the philosophy, which I pretty much agree with wholeheartedly.

https://medium.com/@s8mb/im-a-neoliberal-maybe-you-are-too-b809a2a588d6#.a11nsuhc5
Dick Cheyney and G.W. Bush were neoliberals. The Heritage Foundation is a Neoliberal thinktank, and yes many of these principles you quote are principles that these neoliberals claim to believe in, only in a twisted way.

I don't know if this article is meant to try to reclaim the label "neoliberal" or redefine it, or if it simply means something different in the UK than it does in the US, but I have some issues here with the definition you are proposing for "neoliberal" here.

1. We like markets — a lot. ...
Yes. This is true, RomneyCare and Obamacare were originally drafted by the Heritage foundation. It's a market solution.

2. We are liberal consequentialists. A system is justified if it is the one that best allows people to live the lives that they want to live, or makes them happiest or more satisfied than any other. ...
In my experience this is true as long as "people" is changed to "people like us." Neoliberals are happy to bomb the shit out of countries like Iraq to "liberate" the poor people suffering under a tyrant, (and liberate their oil reserves to the free market that they play in), but rather hesitant to "liberate" the poor people of Somolia or North Korea.
3. We care about the poor. Caring about people’s wellbeing leads us to caring about the worst off people. ...
4. We care about the welfare of everyone in the world, not just those in the UK. ...
3,4. See number 2.
5. We base our beliefs on empirics, not principles.
6. We try not to be dogmatic
5,6. These are lies that everyone tells themselves. In my experience, Neoliberals are willing to learn from their mistakes, but have very short attention spans. Neoliberals are roughly as dogmatic as most political ideologies. I label this one as "False."
7. We think the world is getting better.
7. That's an easy statement because it's true, but that's not what neoliberal politicians say when they want to get elected. It's an especially a hard sell when you are in the middle of major recession spurred by loosened market regulations that neoliberals had argued for.

8. We believe that property rights are very important.
8. Another easy statement. Only hard-core communists disagree with this one. How many of those do you see wandering around these days?
9. But we’re comfortable with redistribution, in principle.
9. That qualifier is important because, in practice, neoliberals usually fight tooth and nail to stop expansion of social safety nets. They love market solutions so much they just keep hoping the invisible hand of the market will fix the problems with distribution of wealth and refuse to let the government help out. So yeah, redistribuition is fine with neoliberals as long as it appears magically as a result of market forces.
 
Wiki said:
Neoliberalism (or sometimes neo-liberalism)[1] refers primarily to the 20th century resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2]:7 These include extensive economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to enhance the role of the private sector in the economy.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9] The implementation of neoliberal policies and the acceptance of neoliberal economic theories in the 1970s are seen by some academics as the root of financialization, with the financial crisis of 2007–08 as one of the ultimate results.[10][11][12][13][14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
 
Markets are fine for some goods and services. But markets are not panaceas for every possible "market". Encouraging a market can sometimes change the very nature of the good or service in question. 4 years ago, Michael Sandel wrote a very interesting and accessible book - What Money Can't Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets. While you might not accept any or all of his arguments or conclusions, he gives many examples of how markets can alter perceptions. One example is the Israeli pre-school that started to charge for late pick-ups of children in an attempt to reduce late pickups. However, it resulted in more late pickups rather than fewer, even after the charge was eliminated. I highly recommend the book - it is thought provoking.
 
Markets are fine for some goods and services. But markets are not panaceas for every possible "market". Encouraging a market can sometimes change the very nature of the good or service in question. 4 years ago, Michael Sandel wrote a very interesting and accessible book - What Money Can't Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets. While you might not accept any or all of his arguments or conclusions, he gives many examples of how markets can alter perceptions. One example is the Israeli pre-school that started to charge for late pick-ups of children in an attempt to reduce late pickups. However, it resulted in more late pickups rather than fewer, even after the charge was eliminated. I highly recommend the book - it is thought provoking.

Point one in the summary does use the qualifier "most".

For the Israeli pre-school, the rationale behind that is the explicit price reduced/eliminated the social cost of picking up a child late - it made it seem more socially acceptable to do that. One needs to realize that markets and costs are not all about money. One needs to take into account all the non-monetary costs and benefits involved in any given market and how introducing money can alter the non-monetary costs and benefits. Regardless, the pre-school could've tried other alternatives (1st time late, warning, 2nd time late, monetary penalty, 3rd time late, expulsion, for example, to really drive the point home), if they really wanted to reduce the late pick-ups. Or turn late pick-ups into a profit center - set the price high enough to cover all the additional over-time costs plus a reasonable profit (or excess revenue that can be used to support the pre-school overall, if a non-profit). Then, an increase in late-pickups is no longer a problem to worry about.

One also needs to realize that these non-monetary costs can be translated into a dollar value. How much is someone willing to pay to avoid social costs involved in something (like arriving late)? There is a dollar amount that can be attached to this question even if one doesn't do so explicitly. Same with the dollar value of a life - people's revealed preferences indicate there is a limit to the dollar cost they are willing to incur to reduce their likelihood of injury or death even if they don't explicitly state so. It is also impossible to avoid attaching such a value in general when one makes a decision on behalf of others to increase their safety (such as a government or a company). It would destroy tremendous value in society if every decision made was done so on the basis of increasing safety and reducing odds of death at any cost and make most private enterprises not economically viable. It is simply an unavoidable assumption that must be incorporated into such decisions either implicitly or explicitly.
 
Good article that best describes my political philosophy - summarizes the main points of the philosophy, which I pretty much agree with wholeheartedly.

‘Neoliberal’ is a term of abuse used by some people to attack fans of the free market. It is usually badly defined and other people’s attempts to define it have ended up being confused or confusing. Ben’s definition is the best I’ve read, because it describes a group who are distinct from libertarians and who lack a good descriptive term already.

This post is an attempt to trash Ben’s good work and reappropriate the term for my own purposes. A lot of what Ben says still applies, but a lot doesn’t too.

There is a emerging and growing group of people, particularly coming out of the libertarian movement, that lacks a useful descriptive term. These are people who are libertarianish — but they are fundamentally different to the mainstream libertarian movement when it comes to important values and approaches, and frankly lots of libertarians hate them for being, in their eyes, too statist or leftist.

I am one of them, and perhaps you are too. Many of our left-wing opponents would describe us as neoliberal to slander us. I suggest we follow the Suffragettes and wear this label with pride.

So who are “we”? Here are a few common beliefs that I think “we” have in common. I’m not claiming that these beliefs are exclusive to us, of course.

1. We like markets — a lot. We think that markets are by far the best way of organising most human affairs that involve scarce resources, because they align people’s incentives in ways that communicate where resources can be be used most efficiently, and give people reasons to come up with new ways of using existing resources. This means that markets and market-like systems are desirable in many, many places they’re not present at the moment — healthcare, education, environmental policy, organ allocations, traffic congestion, land-use planning.
What a dreadful list of examples. Was the author trying to be deliberately controversial?

Markets are an excellent way to allocate resources - when you don't need to worry too much about the allocation being equitable. If some guy can get a nicer car because he won the genetic lottery and happened to have a grandfather who invented a widget everyone wanted to buy, then that's fine - the unfairness of such a situation is a small price to pay for the many benefits that a free market in automobiles (and indeed in personal transportation) provides. But I find it hard to imagine that many people could seriously suggest that the same lucky break entitles this person to more or better health-care, or to first choice of transplant organs, or to a better education than his peers. Nor should the wealthy have the ability to use their wealth to accumulate more wealth through influencing regulators and lawmakers, or through access to better legal representation, or expensive accountants who can help them to avoid or evade taxes. These areas must be protected from market forces, if we are to avoid the development of a neo-feudal society.

Furthermore, some allocations of resources need to be based on facts, not economics. Environmental policy is an excellent example - marketeers have very successfully externalized the cost of burning fossil fuels, for example, such that the market cost for coal (or electricity generated using coal) is FAR lower than it would be if the users of that resource had to pay the full cost of mitigating the climate change it causes. This cost is large, but not accurately known - and if you don't know how much something costs, a market solution is impossible. Should we include in the price of coal the cost of building sea defenses on threatened coastlines worldwide? The costs of evacuating low-lying regions? The cost of damage caused by extreme weather? The cost of extracting and storing CO2 from the atmosphere? How much will any of these things cost?

Traffic congestion suffers similar problems - how much does time stuck in traffic actually cost? It is a wildly variable amount, and is dependent on a huge number of factors. The collection of accurate and usable cost data is completely impractical - you can have some central authority make an arbitrary determination, but then you might as well drop the pretense that you have a market solution, and just allow the authority to make rulings without concerning itself with the (unknowable) details.

Markets have, in the past, been abandoned in favour of central planning in situations where this was clearly a very bad idea. However that does NOT imply that central planning is ALWAYS a bad idea. Some things - particularly natural monopolies, and provision of services essential to life (eg health-care) or where the option not to pay does not exist (eg health-care) simply should not be left exposed to markets. I can't stop half-way through tripping over and say "Oh, hang on, I had better wait until next month to knock myself unconcious, when I can afford the hospital bill". Market forces are useless when they cannot apply any force to the decision making process - the customer with the concussion requires the exact same treatment whether he can afford it or not - and is in no position to shop around; The customer using the road that runs past his house cannot decide to use a cheaper road elsewhere in the county; the customer having a heart attack can neither choose to be treated in a cheaper facility, not at an off-peak time for surgical fees. The market signals are meaningless in such cases, because the 'customer' is unable to act on those signals.

The claim to like markets "a lot" is directly contradicting the later claim that "we try not to be dogmatic". Markets are great. But they are not a universal panacea, and there are many very sound empirical reasons to reject markets as a tool for allocating some kinds of resources, in favour of central planning of those resources by a tax-funded authority, accountable to the people via non-market means.

Successful modern nations have mixed economies. Pushing the balance too far towards EITHER centrally planned OR market driven modes causes problems; and many social problems in the UK today are the direct result of a shift towards market driven systems over the past three decades. Prior to about the mid 1980s, the UK had the opposite problem - and the solution, to move towards market driven systems for some of the centrally planned sectors of the economy, led to some good outcomes. But those good results are now long gone, and successive governments since that time have tried to recapture the positives by piling on more and more to the 'free market' bandwagon. It has gone too far, and needs to stop. In the USA, it has gone even further.

If a little of something is observably good; and more is demonstrably better; that does NOT imply that even more is always going to be better still. Some things are unsuited to being purely controlled by market forces. All of the things on that list, for a start. Some of them can't even be partly subjected to market forces, even if we wanted them to be, because the market simply cannot determine which forces need to be applied.
 
Point one in the summary does use the qualifier "most".
Well, using organ donation in the list of acceptable market uses raises eyebrows.
For the Israeli pre-school, the rationale behind that is the explicit price reduced/eliminated the social cost of picking up a child late - it made it seem more socially acceptable to do that. ...
Exactly the point - making a market changed that market.
One also needs to realize that these non-monetary costs can be translated into a dollar value. How much is someone willing to pay to avoid social costs involved in something (like arriving late)? There is a dollar amount that can be attached to this question even if one doesn't do so explicitly. Same with the dollar value of a life - people's revealed preferences indicate there is a limit to the dollar cost they are willing to incur to reduce their likelihood of injury or death even if they don't explicitly state so. It is also impossible to avoid attaching such a value in general when one makes a decision on behalf of others to increase their safety (such as a government or a company). It would destroy tremendous value in society if every decision made was done so on the basis of increasing safety and reducing odds of death at any cost and make most private enterprises not economically viable. It is simply an unavoidable assumption that must be incorporated into such decisions either implicitly or explicitly.
You really should read Sandel's book. For example, putting an explicit value on someone's life does change a market.
 
Good article that best describes my political philosophy - summarizes the main points of the philosophy, which I pretty much agree with wholeheartedly.

‘Neoliberal’ is a term of abuse used by some people to attack fans of the free market. It is usually badly defined and other people’s attempts to define it have ended up being confused or confusing. Ben’s definition is the best I’ve read, because it describes a group who are distinct from libertarians and who lack a good descriptive term already.

This post is an attempt to trash Ben’s good work and reappropriate the term for my own purposes. A lot of what Ben says still applies, but a lot doesn’t too.

There is a emerging and growing group of people, particularly coming out of the libertarian movement, that lacks a useful descriptive term. These are people who are libertarianish — but they are fundamentally different to the mainstream libertarian movement when it comes to important values and approaches, and frankly lots of libertarians hate them for being, in their eyes, too statist or leftist.

I am one of them, and perhaps you are too. Many of our left-wing opponents would describe us as neoliberal to slander us. I suggest we follow the Suffragettes and wear this label with pride.

So who are “we”? Here are a few common beliefs that I think “we” have in common. I’m not claiming that these beliefs are exclusive to us, of course.

1. We like markets — a lot. We think that markets are by far the best way of organising most human affairs that involve scarce resources, because they align people’s incentives in ways that communicate where resources can be be used most efficiently, and give people reasons to come up with new ways of using existing resources. This means that markets and market-like systems are desirable in many, many places they’re not present at the moment — healthcare, education, environmental policy, organ allocations, traffic congestion, land-use planning.

2. We are liberal consequentialists. A system is justified if it is the one that best allows people to live the lives that they want to live, or makes them happiest or more satisfied than any other. There are no inherent rights that override this. People’s wellbeing is all that matters, and generally individuals are best at defining what is best for themselves.

3. We care about the poor. Caring about people’s wellbeing leads us to caring about the worst off people. Usually an extra £100 makes a pauper better off than it makes a millionaire. This diminishing marginal utility means that poor people’s lives are the easiest to improve for a given amount of time, energy and money.

4. We care about the welfare of everyone in the world, not just those in the UK. It’s natural to feel more in common with people who live near you and live like you, just as it’s natural to care much more about your family than about strangers. But when it comes to policy, we care about improving everyone’s lives, wherever they are. That’s one reason we tend to be quite pro-immigration — not just because it’s good for natives here, but because it’s so good for the migrants themselves.

5. We base our beliefs on empirics, not principles. There is an unlimited number of stories that you can tell about the world, but only a few are true. You find out which are true by comparing the stories to reality with experiments and throwing away the ones that don’t fit. It doesn’t matter if a theory appears to be internally coherent — if it can’t stand up to experimentation, it’s wrong. In particular, quantitative empirical research is what we look for.

6. We try not to be dogmatic. Testing your beliefs against the world requires you to be prepared to throw out the ones that are wrong, even though it’s often painful to do so. This means that we have to be willing to change our minds, contradict our friends, forsake our heroes, and be unpopular with fellow-travellers who think that they’re obviously right. One way to deal with the emotional costs of this is to internalise the virtue of open-mindedness so that changing your mind makes you feel just as good as being ideologically consistent once did.

7. We think the world is getting better. And, really, it is: pro-market ideas have taken hold nearly everywhere, raising living standards by an extraordinary amount for a huge number of people. The centre-ground consensus in nearly every developed economy is extremely pro-market and liberal compared to where it was fifty years ago, and although they are often less pro-market than they were one hundred years ago that is offset by major advances in the rights of women and non-whites.

8. We believe that property rights are very important. Predictable and formalised ownership of scarce resources is extremely important. It allows people to make long-term plans for the future, which incentivises improvement of their own circumstances. Overriding property rights capriciously undermines the incentive people have to hold off from consuming and invest in their futures instead, because they will be unsure about whether they’ll actually get to enjoy the returns of that investment. This is extremely important in the developing world, where weak or nonexistent property rights preclude capital accumulation and growth.

9. But we’re comfortable with redistribution, in principle. Because we’re consequentialists we don’t think that property rights are morally significant in and of themselves — they’re a useful rule that allows the economy to function properly but there is no intrinsic value to them. People don’t really deserve the talents they’re born with any more than they deserve to have been born in a rich country rather than a poor one, or to be born in 1996 rather than 1896. Because of this, redistributing wealth or income from lucky people to unlucky people may be justifiable, if it’s done without depressing economic growth too much. Too much redistribution can have bad consequences because taxes tend to depress investment and growth, but too little redistribution has bad consequences too — poor people don’t live good enough lives. A neoliberal is someone who believes that markets are astonishingly good at creating wealth, but not always good at distributing wealth.

I’ve noticed that most, if not all, the above statements are true of many people I hang around with and consider my closest intellectual bedfellows. I also suspect a weak version of most of them is held to by many people who consider themselves centrists, and that a very weak version of this might be the basic ideology that underpins the modern world.

https://medium.com/@s8mb/im-a-neoliberal-maybe-you-are-too-b809a2a588d6#.a11nsuhc5

This pretty much encompasses the views of the main parties and most people around. How we determine too much distribution or too little distribution is where the debating counts.
 
Caring about the poor and working people means creating a system where workers have more control in the workplace, with strong unions or outright worker ownership, and where there are more social services for the poor.

Anything less than this is empty self-serving lip service.

The problem is societies, politicians, HR managers and many people don't realise that a worker's cost is sometimes only part of the overheads, such as rents, loans, purchase of raw materials, fuel prices, transportation and other costs. It seems that the companies will ride out such costs except the wages of the employees. In the Oil and Gas industries, realising the value of a good machine operator or design engineer would save a company millions by not have to repair damages machinery due to incorrect operation or poor maintenance, or write off millions because the design pressure for a pipeline was under estimated, so new pipe has to be bought.

Interestingly enough the British National Oil Corporation paid rock star wages to its contractors who were carefully selected by the management and not the HR departments. As a result the company started working cost effectively only to be sold off to private companies. The man who ran that company for the final projects was given the CBE (Dr Rex Gaisford).
 
I have the book waiting at the library to ready. I read the first chapter and it was basically it's unfair that people have more money to spend on things.


The biggest problem is that people only think short term and not long term and understand what the advantages are for people spending money and how it helps them in the long run.
 
I have the book waiting at the library to ready. I read the first chapter and it was basically it's unfair that people have more money to spend on things.
If you refer to Sandel's book, then you clearly did not read the first or any chapter. He makes some relatively simply points that the ability of the wealthy to purchase some things (like access to Congressional hearings) runs counter to some deep-seated views about the nature of democracy or fairness.
 
I have the book waiting at the library to ready. I read the first chapter and it was basically it's unfair that people have more money to spend on things.
If you refer to Sandel's book, then you clearly did not read the first or any chapter. He makes some relatively simply points that the ability of the wealthy to purchase some things (like access to Congressional hearings) runs counter to some deep-seated views about the nature of democracy or fairness.

I did read it and didn't have an issue. We have a represetative government democracy but we also have what's supposed to be a limited government. The bigger issue is what the government now believes its function is.
 
If markets are so great, then why not have these markets?
  • Knowingly selling stolen goods
  • Intellectual-property violations
  • Fraudulent business dealings
  • Bribery
  • Slavery

Also, if nothing is a virtue unless it is voluntary, then property rights ought to be voluntary also.

Markets are good for a lot of things, but not for everything. Would anyone want disputes to be resolved by bribing the judge?
 
Define "limited government".

I would define it as the powers enumerated to it. Not this end all belief that the role of the government is to solve all problems.

Back in the day when there were only thirteen colonies, sure, limited government made sense. Then, we got greedy and expanded our borders to a ridiculous extent. Now, conditions are different, and society is obviously more complicated than it used to be. We shouldn't always expect old systems to work.
 
If markets are so great, then why not have these markets?
  • Knowingly selling stolen goods
  • Intellectual-property violations
  • Fraudulent business dealings
  • Bribery
  • Slavery

Also, if nothing is a virtue unless it is voluntary, then property rights ought to be voluntary also.

Markets are good for a lot of things, but not for everything. Would anyone want disputes to be resolved by bribing the judge?

Things depend on property rights and on individuals being able to make their own decision on what to trade. So that eliminates slavery, and the first one. There is discussion about what constitutes property such as intellectual rights.

Bribery is a fine line, so it could go either way.

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I would define it as the powers enumerated to it. Not this end all belief that the role of the government is to solve all problems.

Back in the day when there were only thirteen colonies, sure, limited government made sense. Then, we got greedy and expanded our borders to a ridiculous extent. Now, conditions are different, and society is obviously more complicated than it used to be. We shouldn't always expect old systems to work.

I disagree. And the problems that are running into is because the centralized government trying to solve all problems so it's controlled by vocal groups. The Federalist paper #10 deals exactly with lobbyist and their powers.
 
I disagree. And the problems that are running into is because the centralized government trying to solve all problems so it's controlled by vocal groups. The Federalist paper #10 deals exactly with lobbyist and their powers.

The problems we are running into are ultimately because of Manifest Destiny.
 
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