An interesting take on police shootings

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/a-crazy-woman-with-a-baseball-bat

We want police that aren't intimidating--which means police that are more likely to have to resort to the gun when things go wrong.

 

[KeepTalking]

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/a-crazy-woman-with-a-baseball-bat

We want police that aren't intimidating--which means police that are more likely to have to resort to the gun when things go wrong.

Who says we want police that aren't intimidating?

I am pretty sure we just don't want police who shoot unarmed civilians with impunity.

 

[Elixir]

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/a-crazy-woman-with-a-baseball-bat

We want police that aren't intimidating--which means police that are more likely to have to resort to the gun when things go wrong.

That's actually a good point. What we seem to want are combination university psych professors/martial arts/Marksmanship Champions. Obviously not a realistic expectation. So we get some martial arts and firearms instructors who don't know how to defuse a situation - and people get shot. And we get some half-trained psychologists with minimal hand-to-hand and firearms skills who have to resort to their guns when things get heated - and people get shot. Until being a cop becomes a highly sought after, highly competitive $200k job, that's what we're going to live - or die - with.

 

[dismal]

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/a-crazy-woman-with-a-baseball-bat

We want police that aren't intimidating--which means police that are more likely to have to resort to the gun when things go wrong.

Who says we want police that aren't intimidating?

I want the police you deal with to be intimidating.

I want the police I deal with to look like, act like and dress like Hooters girls. They can also bring me chicken wings, but I consider that optional.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Who says we want police that aren't intimidating?

I want the police you deal with to be intimidating.

I want the police I deal with to look like, act like and dress like Hooters girls. They can also bring me chicken wings, but I consider that optional.

Until you find out they are a sting and you've been caught.

 

[dismal]

I want the police you deal with to be intimidating.

I want the police I deal with to look like, act like and dress like Hooters girls. They can also bring me chicken wings, but I consider that optional.

Until you find out they are a sting and you've been caught.

This is America!

Wanting to police to be like Hooters girls is not a crime for which you can be stung.

At least not until Hillary gets in there.

 

[zorq]

At least not until Hillary gets in there.

Wow, so much paranoia. It's a shame Obama confiscated all the guns 7 years ago. (I jest.)

But really who says the police shouldn't be intimidating? In 2016 I'm not looking for every police officer to look and act like Andy Griffith in the Andy Griffith show. I think it's great if the police look like Dwayne Johnson from Walking Tall. What people are complaining about is Police who shoot or kill civilians for shitty reasons and then don't face any serious repercussions.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Cops should look very intimidating. They simply should not act intimidating.

 

[Valjean]

Didn't Great Britain design their police uniforms specifically not to be intimidating?
Public servants should not scare the public they protect and serve.

 

[laughing dog]

We want police that aren't intimidating--which means police that are more likely to have to resort to the gun when things go wrong.

That conclusion does not follow logically from the premise because there is nothing inconsistent with police who do not intimidate and who are not more likely to resort to a gun when things go wrong.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Police should be well trained in using all the tools they have including hand combat. They should be physically fit and capable for whatever situation that may arise. What Greg Ellifritz does not address is the psychological profile of these police. What is the personality type of the well trained police officer? How will he deploy these tools? That is the issue. It has been my observation in the navy that individuals who have a commitment to physical fitness and combat training beyond minimum requirements tend to also have the mental discipline to use the tools at their disposal sparingly.
Training builds confidence. Training keeps one clear-headed in difficult situations.

 

[KeepTalking]

Who says we want police that aren't intimidating?

I want the police you deal with to be intimidating.

Why? Just because my political ideology seems to be the opposite of yours?

I would prefer police who can be intimidating when called for, not necessarily always looking or acting intimidating, but so long as they aren't shooting unarmed citizens with impunity I'm fine with any cop who otherwise has the proper training and mentality to do the job.

 

[dismal]

I want the police you deal with to be intimidating.

Why? Just because my political ideology seems to be the opposite of yours?

I would prefer police who can be intimidating when called for, not necessarily always looking or acting intimidating, but so long as they aren't shooting unarmed citizens with impunity I'm fine with any cop who otherwise has the proper training and mentality to do the job.

You as in "anyone but me". Though you personally too of course.

 

[KeepTalking]

Why? Just because my political ideology seems to be the opposite of yours?

I would prefer police who can be intimidating when called for, not necessarily always looking or acting intimidating, but so long as they aren't shooting unarmed citizens with impunity I'm fine with any cop who otherwise has the proper training and mentality to do the job.

You as in "anyone but me". Though you personally too of course.

Aw, shucks, I'm flattered that you thought of me.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/a-crazy-woman-with-a-baseball-bat

We want police that aren't intimidating--which means police that are more likely to have to resort to the gun when things go wrong.

It is an interesting point, but the author completely handwaves away the use of non-lethal force ('they forgot their training...'), which is complete BS. Non-lethal weapon technology seems light years ahead of where police departments currently sit. If we can disperse entire crowds of agitators without the use of machine guns, we should be able to stop a single attacker (conceding that they aren't also brandishing a firearm) without killing her.

I don't care if a police is intimidating or not. I want them to have the ability to think critically. Giving a non-critical thinker a gun to solve his problems with is what causes these situations.

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[Loren Pechtel]

We want police that aren't intimidating--which means police that are more likely to have to resort to the gun when things go wrong.

That conclusion does not follow logically from the premise because there is nothing inconsistent with police who do not intimidate and who are not more likely to resort to a gun when things go wrong.

The point is looks tend to correspond to physical ability.

By choosing cops who don't look intimidating you choose cops who can't handle a physical fight against an attacker and thus the cops have to resort to the gun. Did you not read the article?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/a-crazy-woman-with-a-baseball-bat

We want police that aren't intimidating--which means police that are more likely to have to resort to the gun when things go wrong.

It is an interesting point, but the author completely handwaves away the use of non-lethal force ('they forgot their training...'), which is complete BS. Non-lethal weapon technology seems light years ahead of where police departments currently sit. If we can disperse entire crowds of agitators without the use of machine guns, we should be able to stop a single attacker (conceding that they aren't also brandishing a firearm) without killing her.

I don't care if a police is intimidating or not. I want them to have the ability to think critically. Giving a non-critical thinker a gun to solve his problems with is what causes these situations.

aa

No, the thing you don't use non-lethal weapons against an attacker using potentially lethal force unless you're backed up by another cop who is prepared to use lethal force.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

It is an interesting point, but the author completely handwaves away the use of non-lethal force ('they forgot their training...'), which is complete BS. Non-lethal weapon technology seems light years ahead of where police departments currently sit. If we can disperse entire crowds of agitators without the use of machine guns, we should be able to stop a single attacker (conceding that they aren't also brandishing a firearm) without killing her.

I don't care if a police is intimidating or not. I want them to have the ability to think critically. Giving a non-critical thinker a gun to solve his problems with is what causes these situations.

aa

No, the thing you don't use non-lethal weapons against an attacker using potentially lethal force unless you're backed up by another cop who is prepared to use lethal force.

I'm not positive I understand how that's a response to what I wrote.

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[laughing dog]

That conclusion does not follow logically from the premise because there is nothing inconsistent with police who do not intimidate and who are not more likely to resort to a gun when things go wrong.

The point is looks tend to correspond to physical ability.

Not if the police are trained properly.

By choosing cops who don't look intimidating you choose cops who can't handle a physical fight against an attacker and thus the cops have to resort to the gun.

The entire argument is based on an untrue premise (people who don't look intimidating cannot handle a physical fight) and illogic (such police have to resort to using guns).

Did you not read the article?

Yes, I did. And I surprised that any rational thinking person would find that the article somehow proposes your argument, since it explicitly states

So, in essence, we are expecting cops to handle things physically using a minimal amount of force without giving them any experience or training in how to do that.

He gives as an example a police officer who shoots an old lady who is attacking him with a baseball bat. I have been attacked more than once in my life while I was growing up by someone with a baseball bat, and both times I managed to disarm him without resorting to killing him. And I had no training whatsoever.

 

[Valjean]

If you train, equip and dress the police to be jack booted thugs, don't be surprised if a lot of them really get into the role, or that the job begins attracting just that type of applicant.