Where to for the democrats now

[Will Wiley]

What is the path for the democrats after failing so abysmally in this election. So much work and so much money into this campaign yet they could not appeal to so many ordinary Americans

 

[Tom Sawyer]

They need to get back to being a left wing party of the people. The working class voters who won this thing for Trump are their natural base and they need to appeal to them. The Democratic strategists need to get out of Washington and go talk to people around the country and do so just to listen to them and not to try and build focus groups.

When our new PM was a couple years away from the election, he just wandered around the country and listened to what people had to say. He made a point of giving a shit about their issues and that came across when he was campaigning and talking about their issues. The Democrats have shown that they do not have the pulse of the American people and they need to abandon the DLC and go find out what those issues are and find candidates who actually give a shit about them.

One key point that a commentator made tonight is that the Dems' recruitment sucked. The recycled three former Senators to run again and all three of them lost. The current leadership needs to be purged and they need to focus on having a strong primary process to get new candidates who appeal to the voters.

Trump did not so much win this election as Clinton lost it. She lost it because she and the people around her were out of touch. As they said about Bush, the people who broke the system aren't the ones to fix it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What is the path for the democrats after failing so abysmally in this election. So much work and so much money into this campaign yet they could not appeal to so many ordinary Americans

Well, here is the deal, Hillary Clinton WON the popular vote (and maybe by 500k to 1 million). Trump won the electoral college and thankfully by a good deal to put this fucking nightmare to rest. But Trump won PA, MI, WI, NH by 1% or less.

The outcome is a disaster, but this isn't the 1984 either (Reagan v Mondale, not the novel).

 

[credoconsolans]

What is the path for the democrats after failing so abysmally in this election. So much work and so much money into this campaign yet they could not appeal to so many ordinary Americans

Well, here is the deal, Hillary Clinton WON the popular vote (and maybe by 500k to 1 million). Trump won the electoral college and thankfully by a good deal to put this fucking nightmare to rest. But Trump won PA, MI, WI, NH by 1% or less.

The outcome is a disaster, but this isn't the 1984 either (Reagan v Mondale, not the novel).

This.

Trump barely won and the only reason he did, is that he could stir up the hateful and angry people in the nation to actually get to the voting booth. A moderate Democrat doesn't inspire that much passion, sadly, even in the face of an opponent who is a sexist, racist pig.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

What is the path for the democrats after failing so abysmally in this election. So much work and so much money into this campaign yet they could not appeal to so many ordinary Americans

We asked this same question after that horrible mid term a while ago in which they had record low turnouts. They ran all of their candidates on a platform of "Vote for us, the other guys are terrible!" and offered nothing -- LITERALLY NOTHING -- of substance on their own. Individual candidaes did better with a superior ground game but the DNC on the whole convinced itself that "The Republicans are horrible people!" was enough to get people to the polls.

it wasn't. So they lost.

In this case, it seems Debbie Wassherman Shultz doubled down on this assumption and figured that anyone Hilary ran against would be horrible enough that terrified Democrats would flock to the polls to elect her just to stop the opposition. A golden opportunity to get the First Woman President elected finally (it was totally her turn after the black guy won it last time). It apparently never occurred to them that in order for people to turn out to vote for Hillary Clinton, she had to actually OFFER them something that they wanted. She didn't, so they lost.

Schultz got shitcanned right after the primary and attached herself to Clinton's campaign, probably as a way of riding a Clinton victory into her cabinet. Since the campaign ran into a brick wall of its own creation, Shultz is now officially gone. DNC leadership will probably disappear up its own asshole and maybe somebody who actually has the balls to work for anything ever will take the reigns.

Concrete example: you're running a campaign against one of the most repugnant celebrities in modern America, and even with that you're still too scared to even mention the possibility of single-payer healthcare?

 

[credoconsolans]

What is the path for the democrats after failing so abysmally in this election. So much work and so much money into this campaign yet they could not appeal to so many ordinary Americans

We asked this same question after that horrible mid term a while ago in which they had record low turnouts. They ran all of their candidates on a platform of "Vote for us, the other guys are terrible!" and offered nothing -- LITERALLY NOTHING -- of substance on their own. Individual candidaes did better with a superior ground game but the DNC on the whole convinced itself that "The Republicans are horrible people!" was enough to get people to the polls.

it wasn't. So they lost.

In this case, it seems Debbie Wassherman Shultz doubled down on this assumption and figured that anyone Hilary ran against would be horrible enough that terrified Democrats would flock to the polls to elect her just to stop the opposition. A golden opportunity to get the First Woman President elected finally (it was totally her turn after the black guy won it last time). It apparently never occurred to them that in order for people to turn out to vote for Hillary Clinton, she had to actually OFFER them something that they wanted. She didn't, so they lost.

She did offer something we wanted. Intelligence, experience, sanity, Constitutionality.

Apparently the sliver of voters who allowed her opponent to win, didn't value any of that.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

CRAZY ELECTION FACTS!!!

The Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 elections, yet only won the Presidency twice.

 

[Terrell]

CRAZY ELECTION FACTS!!!

The Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 elections, yet only won the Presidency twice.

Exactly why the Electoral College isn't going anywhere.

 

[Tigers!]

CRAZY ELECTION FACTS!!!

The Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 elections, yet only won the Presidency twice.

Happens in Australia too about every 4th commonwealth election. Party A wins popular vote but party B wins more seats.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Trump did not so much win this election as Clinton lost it. She lost it because she and the people around her were out of touch. As they said about Bush, the people who broke the system aren't the ones to fix it.

Absolutely. Well said. She is known as corrupt, pay to play, and the embodiment of the insider, and completely out of touch. We KNEW she was a poor candidate, and even the polls showed that, with her and Trump showing record low favourability ratings. We just didn't realize just how bad she was. Had Sanders run against Trump I truly believe you would now have a President Elect Sanders.

Also, she lost because she couldn't do to Trump what she did to Sanders.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

CRAZY ELECTION FACTS!!!

The Democrats have won the popular vote in 4 of the last 5 elections, yet only won the Presidency twice.

Happens in Australia too about every 4th commonwealth election. Party A wins popular vote but party B wins more seats.

No, that isn't the same thing, and it was a rare occurrence in American history.

 

[credoconsolans]

Trump did not so much win this election as Clinton lost it. She lost it because she and the people around her were out of touch. As they said about Bush, the people who broke the system aren't the ones to fix it.

Absolutely. Well said. She is known as corrupt, pay to play, and the embodiment of the insider, and completely out of touch. We KNEW she was a poor candidate, and even the polls showed that, with her and Trump showing record low favourability ratings. We just didn't realize just how bad she was. Had Sanders run against Trump I truly believe you would now have a President Elect Sanders.

Also, she lost because she couldn't do to Trump what she did to Sanders.

She is "known as", but she actually wasn't. No proof was ever provided that she was anything of the kind.

Apparently the Trump propaganda machine - where if you repeat something long enough and loud enough, people start to believe it - worked like a charm on the weak-minded, which is most of his rabid supporters.

The idea that a wealthy corporate man like Trump is 'in touch' with the people is laughable.

 

[LordKiran]

Absolutely. Well said. She is known as corrupt, pay to play, and the embodiment of the insider, and completely out of touch. We KNEW she was a poor candidate, and even the polls showed that, with her and Trump showing record low favourability ratings. We just didn't realize just how bad she was. Had Sanders run against Trump I truly believe you would now have a President Elect Sanders.

Also, she lost because she couldn't do to Trump what she did to Sanders.

She is "known as", but she actually wasn't. No proof was ever provided that she was anything of the kind.

Apparently the Trump propaganda machine - where if you repeat something long enough and loud enough, people start to believe it - worked like a charm on the weak-minded, which is most of his rabid supporters.

The idea that a wealthy corporate man like Trump is 'in touch' with the people is laughable.

Keep in mind that Trump made the case against HRC on a foundation that had been built over the last few decades by the right wherein Hillary was publicly derided as a woman of low character. In either case people had no reason to believe Hillary was actually on their side, like Obama the most they could expect from her is lip service and the occasional bone thrown their way.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Absolutely. Well said. She is known as corrupt, pay to play, and the embodiment of the insider, and completely out of touch. We KNEW she was a poor candidate, and even the polls showed that, with her and Trump showing record low favourability ratings. We just didn't realize just how bad she was. Had Sanders run against Trump I truly believe you would now have a President Elect Sanders.

Also, she lost because she couldn't do to Trump what she did to Sanders.

She is "known as", but she actually wasn't. No proof was ever provided that she was anything of the kind.

Apparently the Trump propaganda machine - where if you repeat something long enough and loud enough, people start to believe it - worked like a charm on the weak-minded, which is most of his rabid supporters.

The idea that a wealthy corporate man like Trump is 'in touch' with the people is laughable.

This wasn't Trump, or rather just Trump. Hillary Hate goes back to 1992. And the GOP and it's various media arms have not let up on the drum beat at any time since 1992. HRC is the most hated woman in America and has been for decades. But for reason's I still can't fully fathom, the DNC thought she was their best shot at the holding the WH. Not because she was, but because she was supposed to be.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Absolutely. Well said. She is known as corrupt, pay to play, and the embodiment of the insider, and completely out of touch. We KNEW she was a poor candidate, and even the polls showed that, with her and Trump showing record low favourability ratings. We just didn't realize just how bad she was. Had Sanders run against Trump I truly believe you would now have a President Elect Sanders.

Also, she lost because she couldn't do to Trump what she did to Sanders.

She is "known as", but she actually wasn't. No proof was ever provided that she was anything of the kind.

Apparently the Trump propaganda machine - where if you repeat something long enough and loud enough, people start to believe it - worked like a charm on the weak-minded, which is most of his rabid supporters.

The idea that a wealthy corporate man like Trump is 'in touch' with the people is laughable.

Yeah, the billionaire income tax dodging, draft dodging, pathological liar... hero to the working class of whom he has taken advantage of over the many years. It is so unbelievably ridiculous.

This doesn't fall on Clinton. The fucking electorate allowed themselves to buy this charlatan's tale of 'making American great again'.

 

[coloradoatheist]

I think it's too early to know what they actually need to do. The Republicans didn't have a plan either. They should ask Hillary to retire to spend time with her daughter and grandkids and then see what happens with Trump and fight based on that.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

She is "known as", but she actually wasn't. No proof was ever provided that she was anything of the kind.

Apparently the Trump propaganda machine - where if you repeat something long enough and loud enough, people start to believe it - worked like a charm on the weak-minded, which is most of his rabid supporters.

The idea that a wealthy corporate man like Trump is 'in touch' with the people is laughable.

This wasn't Trump, or rather just Trump. Hillary Hate goes back to 1992. And the GOP and it's various media arms have not let up on the drum beat at any time since 1992. HRC is the most hated woman in America and has been for decades. But for reason's I still can't fully fathom, the DNC thought she was their best shot at the holding the WH. Not because she was, but because she was supposed to be.

The 24 years of anti-Hillary propaganda pays off. Of course, a significant amount of credit goes to the Russian hackers that fed stolen emails to Wikileaks who then dumped emails onto the US.

Of course, Clinton was not a saint, by a long shot, but she sure was the better of the two options without a doubt.

 

[coloradoatheist]

This wasn't Trump, or rather just Trump. Hillary Hate goes back to 1992. And the GOP and it's various media arms have not let up on the drum beat at any time since 1992. HRC is the most hated woman in America and has been for decades. But for reason's I still can't fully fathom, the DNC thought she was their best shot at the holding the WH. Not because she was, but because she was supposed to be.

The 24 years of anti-Hillary propaganda pays off. Of course, a significant amount of credit goes to the Russian hackers that fed stolen emails to Wikileaks who then dumped emails onto the US.

Of course, Clinton was not a saint, by a long shot, but she sure was the better of the two options without a doubt.

But having your lead horse as someone with so much baggage was in hindsight a recipe for disaster. And the Clintons have always been on the edge of corruption for a long time.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The 24 years of anti-Hillary propaganda pays off. Of course, a significant amount of credit goes to the Russian hackers that fed stolen emails to Wikileaks who then dumped emails onto the US.

Of course, Clinton was not a saint, by a long shot, but she sure was the better of the two options without a doubt.

But having your lead horse as someone with so much baggage was in hindsight a recipe for disaster. And the Clintons have always been on the edge of corruption for a long time.

Trump was much much much worse. He had business baggage, personal baggage, and no political experience. He has multiple investigations underway on his Foundation and he is still going to trial over Trump University.

 

[coloradoatheist]

But having your lead horse as someone with so much baggage was in hindsight a recipe for disaster. And the Clintons have always been on the edge of corruption for a long time.

Trump was much much much worse. He had business baggage, personal baggage, and no political experience. He has multiple investigations underway on his Foundation and he is still going to trial over Trump University.

His lack of political experience was seen as a plus for other people. Hillary has been hated for decades. Sanders was a better choice.