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Why are so-called "progressives" and "liberals" so deferential to religious nonsense by Indians?

Typically people are differential to native religions as the people who practice them don't use those beliefs as justification to murder people different from them.

In all seriousness though it has less to do with faith, and more to do with being sympathetic to their plight overall.
 
Why thank you! It is a pleasure to be here.
 
Typically people are differential to native religions as the people who practice them don't use those beliefs as justification to murder people different from them.
And what does that have to do with taking their faith claims seriously or giving them special veto powers over development?

In all seriousness though it has less to do with faith, and more to do with being sympathetic to their plight overall.
I am sympathetic to their plight. The situation at many reservations is horrible.
Life on the Pine Ridge Native American reservation
I recognize the problems outlined in this article, but disagree, I think the Indian politics of the last 40 years has failed dismally. I advocate a radical change in direction. Treat Indians like you would any other citizen. No better, no worse. Any settlements should be distributed to individuals rather than amassed by tribal governments. Thus the individual Indian citizens would be empowered to improve their lives. Tribal governments should be treated the same as any other local (county, municipal) level of government who would then be interested in attracting development rather than opposing it.

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Now the #nodapl radicals are desecrating a WWII monument.
World War II Memorial in D.C. Vandalized with Apparent Anti-Pipeline Graffiti
How to lose friends and alienate people ...
 
But the relationship between the US government and the tribes is complicated. By treaty, the reservations are sovereign nations within the US boarders. The US only has very limited power within the boundaries of a reservation. And the treaties are between the sovereign tribes and the US, not the individuals.
 
But the relationship between the US government and the tribes is complicated. By treaty, the reservations are sovereign nations within the US boarders. The US only has very limited power within the boundaries of a reservation.

I did not say it will be easy. But I certainly think this sham "tribal sovereignty" is an anachronism. If Indians are citizens they should not be able to claim sovereignty when they want to. Either be treated as citizen like any other or seek actual independence where you have raise taxes and pay for governmental expenses (as opposed to being tax exempt and being funded by the BIA) and relinquish US citizenship if you want to become part of the new Indian state(s).

What should be clear is that the current system does not really benefit most Indians either. So why not work to end it?
 
"Peaceful" protests ...
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Dakota Access Pipeline protests flare up again with Army Corps decision expected soon

A good article on the misinformation by #nodapl crowd regarding the pipeline approval process:
What those Dakota Access Pipeline protesters don’t tell you
 
I have some friends up there protesting in the blizzard.

What is their motivation? Why are they up there?
Don't they realize that there are already pipelines under the Missouri and the river hasn't turned into contaminated sludge?
Don't they realize that DAPL is serving Bakken oil development which creates many jobs and that the shale revolution reduced oil prices and reduced US reliance on foreign oil?
Don't they realize that the company tried to contact and consult with Standing Rock Indians many times and were ignored or rebuffed each time?
Don't they realize Indians arbitrarily declare areas as "sacred" just to confuse and bamboozle the hated palefaces and prevent development they don't like? I mean it can't be a coincidence that every time a pipeline, oil drilling, a mine or even telescopes are to be built some tribe declares the area to be "sacred".

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So much for Obama's "all of the above" approach. First he reneges on opening more offshore drilling. Then he kills the Keystone XL for purely political reasons. Now he is needlessly delaying DAPL and killing already granted oil leases because of bogus claims of "sacredness". Weak!
 
What is their motivation? Why are they up there?
Because they want to do something more than post on facebook.

Don't they realize that there are already pipelines
Yes they do.

Don't they realize that DAPL is serving Bakken oil development which creates many jobs and that the shale revolution reduced oil prices and reduced US reliance on foreign oil?
They are quite well versed in the global and socioeconomic situation.

Don't they realize that the company tried to contact and consult with Standing Rock Indians many times and were ignored or rebuffed each time?
Are the Standing Rock citizens required to negotiate with corporations?

Don't they realize Indians arbitrarily declare areas as "sacred" just to confuse and bamboozle the hated palefaces and prevent development they don't like?
Considering they are practicing, successful lawyers in sure they are well versed in identifying loaded questions.
 
Because they want to do something more than post on facebook.
That much is obvious. But why do they feel so strongly against a pipeline that they would go up to ND to protest?
Also, do you know if they were among the #nodapl-ers who were hit with water cannon in freezing temperatures last night?
Yes they do.
And that doesn't cause them to think that perhaps the apocalyptic doomsday claims about DAPL are grossly exaggerated?

They are quite well versed in the global and socioeconomic situation.
Are they really? If they were they would not be against this pipeline.

Are the Standing Rock citizens required to negotiate with corporations?
One of the complaints by the Standing Rock Indians is that they were not consulted. The fact that the company tried to contact them many times determined that was a lie.

Considering they are practicing, successful lawyers in sure they are well versed in identifying loaded questions.
But apparently they are incapable of identifying the major load of bullshit fed to them by the Indians and other anti-pipeline, anti-oil activists. Perhaps they should have taken a minor in agronomy.
Btw, if they are "practicing, successful lawyers", who is minding their practices while they are up in ND playing cowboys and Indians?
I ask that question about the other out-of-state protesters as well. Some have been there for months. Don't they have jobs? Or school? Who is paying for their "adventure tourism"? Soros? Saudis? Russians?

A good editorial about the protesters and their tenuous grasp of reality:
Our opinion: False claims hurt Dakota Access Pipeline protesters' credibility
 
Btw, if they are "practicing, successful lawyers", who is minding their practices while they are up in ND playing cowboys and Indians?
I ask that question about the other out-of-state protesters as well. Some have been there for months. Don't they have jobs? Or school? Who is paying for their "adventure tourism"? Soros? Saudis? Russians?
Oh, since they are lawyers they must be there to ambulance chase, trolling for new custom! I just hope ND local governments and courts are not going to give these protesters any money. Instead, protesters should be sued for cost of law enforcement and of any delays to pipeline construction.
 
The protesters are using words wrong, as usual. A "concussion grenade" is an actual lethal, military grenade that does not have fragmenting bits but primarily kills due to blast shock wave. If Sophia Wilansky was hit by one of those she and a few other people close to her would have been dead.

By the way, Underseer started a thread specifically about what happened to her.

Does Trumpf have a dog in this fight?
He might be directly invested, but all American people stand to benefit from it indirectly.
 

I love how they kind of gloss over the fact that the leases were offered to and signed by people who didn't actually own the land and had no business offering them in the first place, except for a single quote from an oil executive saying they shouldn't have SIGNED it.

It would literally be like the city government leasing your living room to someone else. You can't sell someone property you don't actually own just because it's inside your borders.
 
It's because we are all part of a conspiracy to convert everyone to Islam.

Why else do you think we went to all that trouble building Obama's secret weather weapon? Surely you didn't think we were going to use that machine to make nice weather at the beach.

OK, now for a real answer: we don't spend as much time complaining about Hindus in America for the same reason we don't spend much time complaining about Christians in Pakistan. By the way, Muslims in Pakistan use similar arguments to yours to insist that they are the "real victims" over there. Isn't it funny how religious majorities always seem to do that? It's almost as if it's part of some kind of pattern.
 
It's because we are all part of a conspiracy to convert everyone to Islam.

Why else do you think we went to all that trouble building Obama's secret weather weapon? Surely you didn't think we were going to use that machine to make nice weather at the beach.

OK, now for a real answer: we don't spend as much time complaining about Hindus in America for the same reason we don't spend much time complaining about Christians in Pakistan. By the way, Muslims in Pakistan use similar arguments to yours to insist that they are the "real victims" over there. Isn't it funny how religious majorities always seem to do that? It's almost as if it's part of some kind of pattern.

Wrong Indians. Think feather, not dot.
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